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[Joni]

Now this is something i can understand. Together with fatforall's merchandising and perspective reasons.
But people claiming that minecraft sales on ps4 is making them rich... Meh.

Expert question: is MS making more money from Minecraft on PS4
Or Sony from Blueray license fees from XboxOne?

It is about 10 per console and 10 cents per disk. Sony owns about a third of the company that receives this money.

 

[KillerMan91]

Not an excuse I was just using facts & the fact is that the Xbox One is ahead of Xbox 360 so Xbox One can't be given credit for PS4 success when it's doing better than the Xbox 360 was doing. Wii U is the only console that lost ground compared to last gen so far.

if the ~ 100K numbers are true that mean that Xbox One is selling worse even while being $150 - $200 cheaper without Kinect & with all the changes to their strategy.

Xbox 360 was following original Xbox. Console that sold meager 24 million units. Xbox One is following console that sold about 85-90 million WW and was number one console in US. It actually sold more outside of US than original Xbox did WW (and people usually talk how uncompetitive Xbox brand is outside of US). There is huge difference in brand strength and momentum between these two scenarios. Xbox One trailing behind X360 from the start would have been disastrous start for Xbox One.

Of course but you have to look at it in all aspects .
Wii U will not lose Nintendo as much money as PS3 but the damage done to the brand could be just as bad .

That could be absolutely the case and I have several times questioned that was it a right call for Nintendo just to ride WiiU out as they are basically launching with zero mindshare to the next gen. Just that as a single console gen PS3 was disaster. Of course now in the hindsight success of PS4 lessens the failure of PS3.

 

[slavesnyder]

:3

Back when I used to play a lot more multiplayer on XBLA, randos would pronounce it "Fate-All".

I thought you have a bad memory...

 

[onQ123]

you're being ridiculous here. when the first xbox came out, it had no brand awareness, came out like a year and half after the ps2, which had already won the generation by then and already the most powerful brand in console gaming thanks to the playstation. now playstation is easily the most powerful brand in console gaming, they made tons of mistakes with ps3 and let xbox 360, take marketshare and establish a solid brand in gaming. 360 also took advantage of the motion control fad, and sold a extra 10-15 million units, but by the time the xbone came out the motion controls were dead, and only hurt the xbone, in every way possible, from design to power, to cost, and in the age of google it, people are more aware that the ps4 was the much better hardware to buy, and looked so much better design wise. if microsoft made the xbone to look exactly like the ps4 with the same specs, and sony made a console that looked like the xbone with same specs, i think microsoft console would be selling much better, sure it won't beat sony's cause of the powerful gaming brand WW, but it would be doing much better.

How is it ridiculous to post facts when someone make a dreamed up claim?

he claimed that PS4 success isn't because of Sony but because of Microsoft & I showed facts that say differently.

You called me ridiculous for posting facts then you join in with your dream of how things could have been.

things could have been worse for Xbox One if they tried the more powerful approach & they wouldn't be able to cut the price to $299 as fast as they did & PS4 would probably be running even further ahead than it is right now.

 

[Fat4all]

I thought you have a bad memory...

Some things scar the mind.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox 360 was following original Xbox. Console that sold meager 24 million units. Xbox One is following console that sold about 85-90 million WW and was number one console in US. It actually sold more outside of US than original Xbox did WW (and people usually talk how uncompetitive Xbox brand is outside of US). There is huge difference in brand strength and momentum between these two scenarios. Xbox One trailing behind X360 from the start would have been disastrous start for Xbox One.



That could be absolutely the case and I have several times questioned that was it a right call for Nintendo just to ride WiiU out as they are basically launching with zero mindshare to the next gen. Just that as a single console gen PS3 was disaster. Of course now in the hindsight success of PS4 lessens the failure of PS3.

But it's not so how does Xbox One get more credit for PS4's success than PS4?

Anyone that agrees with "The major factor for the current level of PS4's success is not Sony, but Microsoft." is delusional.

 

[ninjablade]

How is it ridiculous to post facts when someone make a dreamed up claim?

he claimed that PS4 success isn't because of Sony but because of Microsoft & I showed facts that say differently.

You called me ridiculous for posting facts then you join in with your dream of how things could have been.

things could have been worse for Xbox One if they tried the more powerful approach & they wouldn't be able to cut the price to $299 as fast as they did & PS4 would probably be running even further ahead than it is right now.

the xbone could have been on par with ps4 and still be dropped 299$, it was the console being designed with kinect in mind that made them choose the design and power of the console, bringing up the cost and bringing down the specs, remember the embarrassing 720p games at launch, that was pretty bad.

you post facts from the past which are irrelevant. its like me saying fact ps3 was the most powerful console last gen yet it didn't win,so sony should have made the ps4 like a wii, a repackaged slightly more powerful ps3 with motion controls and they would have won the generation, or i could also say, fact is sony being the most powerful console never won them a generation so making ps4 the most powerful would be a mistake, of course it wasn't. shit is just irrelevant and silly.

 

[Conduit]

the xbone could have been on par with ps4 and still be dropped 299$, it was the console being designed with kinect in mind that made them choose the design and power of the console.

you post facts from the past which are irrelevant. its like me saying fact ps3 was the most powerful console last gen yet it didn't win,so sony should have made the ps4 like a wii, a repackaged slightly more powerful ps3 with motion controls and they would have won the generation, or i could also say, fact is sony being the most powerful console never won them a generation, shit is just irrelevant and silly.

How so? PS3 came out a year after X360 and also outshipped X360 every year WW. So, PS3 won over X360. I'm sure that Zhuge would debunked your statement also.

 

[ninjablade]

How so? PS3 came out a year after X360 and also outshipped X360 every year WW. So, PS3 won over X360. I'm sure that Zhuge would debunked your statement also.

wii, and ps1 and ps2 winning, they were not the most powerful consoles of there generation. i think it's silly personally, i'm just using his argument.

 

[maxiell]

Keep in mind that his perspective of the PS3 is a failure despite it launching a year later at a higher price and almost matching the xbox 360's total sales.

This is an NPD thread. This revisionist history about the PS3 is getting tiresome. Live subscriptions and software as well as total consoles sold were in Microsoft's favor last generation in the United States.

 

[slavesnyder]

It is about 10 per console and 10 cents per disk. Sony owns about a third of the company that receives this money.

Thanks, that's very kind.
So about
19mio consoles x 10$ / 3 = 63mio $
+ attach rate of what? 5 games per console? x 10 cent x 19mio / 3 = 3 mio$
Summs up to about 66mio $
Right?

 

[onQ123]

the xbone could have been on par with ps4 and still be dropped 299$, it was the console being designed with kinect in mind that made them choose the design and power of the console, bringing up the cost and bringing down the specs, remember the embarrassing 720p games at launch, that was pretty bad.

you post facts from the past which are irrelevant. its like me saying fact ps3 was the most powerful console last gen yet it didn't win,so sony should have made the ps4 like a wii, a repackaged slightly more powerful ps3 with motion controls and they would have won the generation, or i could also say, fact is sony being the most powerful console never won them a generation so making ps4 the most powerful would hurt them. shit is just irrelevant and silly.

How is the fact that Xbox One is ahead of Xbox 360 at this point in it's life cycle from the past & irrelevant to someone claiming that MS is more responsible for PS4 success than Sony?

The only thing silly is claiming that Sony isn't responsible for the PS4 success & giving the credit to MS.

At lest if he would have said Nintendo it would have been some numbers that show that Wii U gave up a big part of Nintendo user base that Wii had gained to the PS4 but Xbox One hasn't shown that yet & it's on track with Xbox 360 so how do you give MS more credit for PS4 success than Sony who has been selling 100 million consoles without MS so called mishaps with the Xbox One?

 

[onQ123]

wii, and ps1 and ps2 winning, they were not the most powerful consoles of there generation. i think it's silly personally, i'm just using his argument.

How is that my argument when you & the other guy is the one's dreaming up a situation where a more powerful Xbox One would have sold better than the PS4 & change it's level of success?

 

[Joni]

Thanks, that's very kind.
So about
19mio consoles x 10$ / 3 = 63mio $
+ attach rate of what? 5 games per console? x 10 cent x 19mio / 3 = 3 mio$
Summs up to about 66mio $
Right?

Yeah, seems about right in rough numbers. Now, let's take Minecraft at about $18 on the PlayStation ecosystem. Sony will take a 30% digital cut, earning Microsoft 70%. So a digital copy earns Sony $5,4 and Microsoft $12,6. It is a bit lower for both on the physical ones, about $1,8 for Sony and about $9 for Microsoft based on the Ubisoft/EA numbers for gross profit. So that is about $7,2 that Microsoft earns more than Sony on a sold copy. So that makes about 10 million copies.

 

[slavesnyder]

So isn't Sony responsible for XboxOne's misery?

 

[heidern]

Game sales were $212.7 million, which is a 10 percent year-over-year decrease from $235.6 million.

Only peripherals, which includes the interactive toy market (products such as the interactive action figures for Disney’s Infinity and Nintendo’s Amiibo), saw growth. It was up 15 percent from $206 million in 2015 to $235.5 million in 2016

So peripherals at $235m outsold games at $212m. Has that ever happened before?

 

[Intrigue]

41 mil. X360s vs. 26 mil. PS3s in US is not 2:1

You are correct /golfclap.

Spoiler

Nobody was comparing this month to ps3/360 but glad you got it out of your system

Now back on topic,

PS4 vs Xbox1

2:1 sales in npd this month which is about same ratio WW ltd.

 

[slavesnyder]

So peripherals at $235m outsold games at $212m. Has that ever happened before?

Maybe something with Rockband, Guitar Hero or the Balance Board?

 

[ethomaz]

So peripherals at $235m outsold games at $212m. Has that ever happened before?

Maybe something with Rockband, Guitar Hero or the Balance Board?

People crazy buying new pads and sticks to play SFV.

The hype is real.

 

[Intrigue]

So isn't Sony responsible for XboxOne's misery?

Only goes one way

 

[DriftingSpirit]

So isn't Sony responsible for XboxOne's misery?

Nah, it doesn't work that way. It only revolves around what MS does or doesn't do.

 

[cakely]

Only goes one way

It's a misery diode.

 

[presagetogood]

So isn't Sony responsible for XboxOne's misery?

Microsoft is responsible for XB1s second place status.... And to a very large degree, Microsoft's pricing policy on launch, their incredibly poor communication of their message, launching a console that could be labeled inferior, all contributed to Sony's massive word of mouth success. Microsoft's fuck ups are a huge contributor to Sony's success with PS4, and gamers and the Internet are broadly also huge contributors to Sony's success for helping to embed the sense that there were huge differences and that PS4 was the go to choice.

 

[onQ123]

So isn't Sony responsible for XboxOne's misery?

No because Sony consoles are only successful when MS mess up by selling more consoles than they ever sold before. because you know dreams matter & facts are ridiculous & irrelevant.

 

[slavesnyder]

Microsoft is responsible for XB1s second place status.... And to a very large degree, Microsoft's pricing policy on launch, their incredibly poor communication of their message, launching a console that could be labeled inferior, all contributed to Sony's massive word of mouth success. Microsoft's fuck ups are a huge contributor to Sony's success with PS4, and gamers and the Internet are broadly also huge contributors to Sony's success for helping to embed the sense that there were huge differences and that PS4 was the go to choice.

Absolutely not. If Sony would have fucked up as badly or even worse, XboxOne would be in a much better situation now. It's Sony's fault.

 

[jayu26]

Absolutely not. If Sony would have fucked up as badly or even worse, XboxOne would be in a much better situation now. It's Sony's fault.

Actually it's all SonyGAF's fault.

 

[DARKZRO]

not surprising at all.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Absolutely not. If Sony would have fucked up as badly or even worse, XboxOne would be in a much better situation now. It's Sony's fault.

Can we make this into a bingo space?

 

[Joni]

Microsoft has conquered a clear second place. It is their best result ever. They were very close to third place in their first generation, they lost second place in the last feet of their second generation, and now they have conquered it with a huge lead.

 

[sense]

This makes no sense considering the PS4 is winning months thanks to it being a system with popular AAA multiplats --many of which are also available on PC.

The exclusive game news isn't going to change much. PS4's success in America shows very clearly that most console gamers don't care about PC gaming.

i know you like to keep bringing up the exclusives don't matter narrative but it is not definitive. yes the multiplat games are the ones driving the consoles when looking at raw numbers. some may pick up a ps4 for uncharted, some for god of war, some for infamous, some for gran turismo etc... the majority of bundles promoted heavily have been the multiplat games so ofcourse it looks like they are the reason consoles sold. i may have picked up a ps4 with destiny or star wars or call of duty but with the thought in my mind that exclusives like uncharted, last of us, god of war are only going to be on it. exclusives and friends circle drive what system you pick up. i am not sure how all this somehow turned into exclusives don't matter.

yes for new ip or mid tier games it is beneficial to include PC to make sure it survives and has a bright future but bringing games like uncharted or halo over would affect console sales, there are a lot of pc players with consoles just like me and my friends and they will stop buying these consoles if everything starts coming to pc. I mean i would just get a beefed up pc and call it a day. i think there is more overlap between console and pc than you give credit for.

 

[3rdamention]

Microsoft is responsible for XB1s second place status.... And to a very large degree, Microsoft's pricing policy on launch, their incredibly poor communication of their message, launching a console that could be labeled inferior, all contributed to Sony's massive word of mouth success. Microsoft's fuck ups are a huge contributor to Sony's success with PS4, and gamers and the Internet are broadly also huge contributors to Sony's success for helping to embed the sense that there were huge differences and that PS4 was the go to choice.

I take it you haven't been reading the last couple of pages to simply bring this argument up again?

 

[ethomaz]

Second, third, 100th, last place all means the same... you are loosing.

That is why PS3 is considered a failure for Sony.

At least Sony learned with their mistakes.

 

[small44]

The funny thing is that Microsoft made more effort for Xbox1 than Sony made for PS4 with aggressive holiday deal and stronger first party games.

 

[Majmun]

almost 2:1 in Ps4's favor?

 

[Obliterator]

Too early to start talking about February? Because i think that will be a big month for Sony

 

[slavesnyder]

Too early to start talking about February? Because i think that will be a big month for Sony

Why not? We talked about everything but January mostly...

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Too early to start talking about February? Because i think that will be a big month for Sony

Yup. I expect PS4 between 350-400K.

 

[Boke1879]

Yup. I expect PS4 between 350-400K.

Mainly because Tax season right?

 

[Ray Down]

Too early to start talking about February? Because i think that will be a big month for Sony

With Street Fighter 5 and Fry Cry yeah though February although will it get a tax season bump?

3DS will be interesting depending on how much FE will have an effect.

 

[joecanada]

So have the other console producing companies.



Sure



Replace "PS3" with "Xbox One" or "Wii U" or "Dreamcast". Replace "media box" with other terminology.



Can be applied to every other company with a disappointing product.



Replace with the competitive products that performed better than the Xbox One, Wii U, Dreamcast, Jaguar, etc.



Which is what, exactly? Continuing to compete in a competitive market? Not sure what your point is here.

None of these companies are particularly special. They're all doing the same thing in terms of fighting in the market. Some win, some lose. Who's going to win next gen? What does next gen even look like? Who's even competing? Get a dartboad out, put company logos on it, throw a dart at it, and whatever picture that dart hits is just as likely to be the market leader next gen as any other on the board.



Way too much fuckery for that to happen soon. Commentary on twitter posts and post history accusations.

uh no, my response was to those stating MS fucked up therefore sony is somehow on fire now, I'm saying they are doing exactly what's expected, sell 100 million consoles.

yes throw a dart and any company will just sell approx. 100 million or more consoles. sure , whatever you say.

why don't you show me the numbers of all the others companies who have sold 100 million consoles four generations / four generations.

 

[slavesnyder]

Yup. I expect PS4 between 350-400K.

What are the big games for February?

 

[Boke1879]

With Street Fighter 5 and Fry Cry yeah though February although will it get a tax season bump?

3DS will be interesting depending on how much FE will have an effect.

I think the COD bundle will still be doing very well. That with tax returns coming in should help a lot.

 

[hawk2025]

What are the big games for February?

Street Fighter V
Far Cry Primal
Plants Vs Zombies GW 2

...

Tax Returns

 

[Fat4all]

Street Fighter V
Far Cry Primal
Plants Vs Zombies GW 2

...

Tax Returns

Bingo.

Everyone is spending their returns on Gravity Rush Remastered, obvs.

 

[Obliterator]

Street Fighter V
Far Cry Primal
Plants Vs Zombies GW 2

...

Tax Returns

Yep a lot going in their favor for a big month.

 

[ironcreed]

Too early to start talking about February? Because i think that will be a big month for Sony

Just wait until April.

 

[joecanada]

Street Fighter V
Far Cry Primal
Plants Vs Zombies GW 2

...

Tax Returns

returns?

my tax return will probably be -2000.00

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Street Fighter V
Far Cry Primal
Plants Vs Zombies GW 2

...

Tax Returns

And Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 4!

What did PS4 do last February?

 

[Mr Swine]

So PS4 is up YoY in its third year? And it doesn't look like it's slowing down? Think it can keep up selling YoY in 2 years or is that very unlikely to happen?

 

[Loris146]

Yup. I expect PS4 between 350-400K.

Last year PS4 did 352k in February so yeah...