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[Cindi Mayweather]

As I said in the Tennessee thread, I no longer debate white people on race because I feel very few of them are actually capable of rationally discussing it. I do not strive to educate. However today, I make an exception.

I thought I'd share this to neogaf as it heavily informs my own views on race and racial justice. Clocking at roughly an hour and 20 minutes, this long analysis on the effects slavery and post-slavery had on both white and black Americans is a wonderful resource for how we can fight for a better tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRQ-Ci6LwVw

Despite its length, it's really worth watching and I hope that it leads to insightful discussion. If you desire more information, Dr. Leary has written a book on this topic that goes more in a more thorough analysis. As a natural companion piece to Harriet Washington's Black Apartheid and Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow, it posits the structural and hierarchical pillars of power based on race are centuries old. We know this, of course, but the amount of research, sources, and detail make a true case for the fact that today's black - and white - people are still healing from centuries of dehumanization. It can be found on Amazon here.

Happy Black History Month.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Thanks for posting, will check out in depth later.

 

[Infinite]

I'm aware of her book but I never actually got into reading it. I guess I should fix that. Thanks for the thread.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

I'm aware of her book but I never actually got into reading it. I guess I should fix that. Thanks for the thread.

Watch the video before reading the book.

 

[Dai101]

Watching it now.

And as someone in the "medical" attrocities stated, no wonder black people live with perpetual PTSD.

Thanks for the thread.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

25 minutes in and damn, Dr. Joy is dropping bombs

gotta hunker down for this

Edit: Oh Lord God, the vaginal speculum origin story. LORD GOD.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

I highly suggest every brother and sister and ally to watch this and share.

Then I suggest reading her book and all of her sources.

 

[EdibleKnife]

From casual killing to rape law, so many similar mindsets reflected today in the behavior of so many people. It's frightening. I really need to get her book. EDIT: No problem

 

[DizzyCrow]

Not american but I'll watch it later, I'm sure there will be similarities with my country.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

EDIT: BTW Cindi the Amazon link doesn't lead to the book but back to the video.

Thanks for the heads up.

Fixed!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Thanks very much for the thread, Cindi..that was quite a watch. Highly recommend folks give it a watch. I see she has more lectures in YouTube. I'll be sure to give those a look as well. Thanks again.

Spoiler

Fuck Marion Sims with a shoemaker's awl..

 

[Lord Fagan]

Thank you for sharing this. Most appreciated.

 

[atr0cious]

Just finished watching it, and ordered the book; thank you very much for posting this. I've had some ideas like this in the back of my mind, but seeing it laid out so clearly, really shocking how in your face our dehumanization is. It kind of ends abruptly, was expecting more, but I guess that's what the book is for. I really wish someone would just read this on oreilly as rebuttals to his dumb interjections.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Just a bit in but this is really good.

 

[iMAGINATION]

Just finished watching the whole thing. It's very eye opening video, definitely worth the watch. It's crazy and infuriating to think that the same stereotypes and prejudice from 300 years ago is still ingrained in our culture. History is just repeating itself, we're still fighting the same fucking fight that all our ancestors had to go through

Edit: Bought the book.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Just finished watching the whole thing. It's very eye opening video, definitely worth the watch. It's crazy and infuriating to think that the same stereotypes and prejudice from 300 years ago is still ingrained in our culture. History is just repeating itself, we're still fighting the same fucking fight that all our ancestors had to go through

Shit had me pretty heated..had to pause for a couple. Dat science!

 

[Dai101]

Just finished watching the whole thing. It's very eye opening video, definitely worth the watch. It's crazy and infuriating to think that the same stereotypes and prejudice from 300 years ago is still ingrained in our culture. History is just repeating itself, we're still fighting the same fucking fight that all our ancestors had to go through

Edit: Bought the book.

Shit had me pretty heated..had to pause for a couple. Dat science!

I couldn't do it in one sit down. Started it about 4.04 pm and just finished minutes ago. After yesterday thread i couldn't hear and watch that still burning, had to pause and put some cartoons to apease my mind and then go back again.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

They actually invented a word to call the desire to escape from slavery a disease...

 

[Infinite]

Watch the video before reading the book.

starting it now.

 

[EdibleKnife]

They actually invented a word to call the desire to escape from slavery a disease...

So frightening the amount of mental gymnastics is needed to justify cruelty like that. Warp science, warp religion, warp reality if it means you don't have to be the bad guy. If it means you can see your atrocities as nobility and necessity. That shit carves deep deep fucking grooves in a society and too many people don't realize that.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

Shit had me pretty heated..had to pause for a couple. Dat science!

I couldn't do it in one sit down. Started it about 4.04 pm and just finished minutes ago. After yesterday thread i couldn't hear and watch that still burning, had to pause and put some cartoons to apease my mind and then go back again.

Had to get up and pace fam

Head started hurting fam

Vision started getting blurry fam

SMH

 

[kame-sennin]

"stop resisting"

Fuck da police.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

They actually invented a word to call the desire to escape from slavery a disease...

I just laughed hysterically. Of course they did..

So frightening the amount of mental gymnastics is needed to justify cruelty like that. Warp science, warp religion, warp reality if it means you don't have to be the bad guy. If it means you can see your atrocities as nobility and necessity. That shit carves deep deep fucking grooves in a society and too many people don't realize that.

Or they do, and just straight dismiss it.

"stop resisting"

Fuck da police.

I'd kindly ask we don't do this in these threads..

 

[Tesseract]

cool, will check it out tonight between sfv matches

 

[Ploid 3.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRQ-Ci6LwVw

Wow, this is a very interesting watch. So good, so much information.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

The whole video is non-stop flames.

The no-nonsense way she just lays the facts and history out is amazing, and I really wish more people who want to participate in conversations about race would expose themselves to this kind of thing.

cool, will check it out tonight between sfv matches

It's 81 minutes, either watch it or dont

 

[Dai101]

cool, will check it out tonight between sfv matches

So you're going to watch it with no pauses then.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Or they do, and just straight dismiss it.
.

Yeah. Apathy is the much more frightening reality.

 

[Tesseract]

The whole video is non-stop flames.

The no-nonsense way she just lays the facts and history out is amazing, and I really wish more people who want to participate in conversations about race would expose themselves to this kind of thing.



It's 81 minutes, either watch it or dont

So you're going to watch it with no pauses then.

i'm gonna watch it, am i missing something

 

[Gordon Shumway]

The whole video is non-stop flames.

The no-nonsense way she just lays the facts and history out is amazing, and I really wish more people who want to participate in conversations about race would expose themselves to this kind of thing.

The

Spoiler

racism

question was a fantastic part.

So you're going to watch it with no pauses then.

lol..

Spoiler

servers still poop?

 

[Tesseract]

So frightening the amount of mental gymnastics is needed to justify cruelty like that. Warp science, warp religion, warp reality if it means you don't have to be the bad guy. If it means you can see your atrocities as nobility and necessity. That shit carves deep deep fucking grooves in a society and too many people don't realize that.

lol..

Spoiler

servers still poop?

bout 3 to 10 between, and dropping. getting stabler!

 

[Rembrandt]

Will watch later. Thanks for posting.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I'm black and I had no idea how brutal slavery was. So many deaths, working people to the bone (new appreciation for that phrase), experiments on slaves because they can't feel pain like "humans." Seriously messed up stuff.

I wonder what would happen if they haven't taught them Christianity and that killing yourself would get you put in hell. This was hell on earth.

Edit: I kinda wanted to get very bulky, but I may take the Marlon Wayans approach. Scrawny fit.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I'm black and I had no idea how brutal slavery was. So many deaths, working people to the bone (new appreciation for that phrase), experiments on slaves because they can't feel pain like "humans." Seriously messed up stuff.

I wonder what would happen if they haven't taught them Christianity and that killing yourself would get you put in hell. This was hell on earth.

Edit: I kinda wanted to get very bulky, but I may take the Marlon Wayans approach. Scrawny fit.

May I ask where you're from? Meaning, are you American? If so, what area (NSEW)? It's actually interesting, because the new narrative (that I've noticed) is that all these atrocities and despicable treating people of color, is almost exclusive to the United States.

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If you missed what I bolded, kame-sennin, then nevermind. I'm done..PM if you'd like.

 

[kame-sennin]

Edit: Oh Lord God, the vaginal speculum origin story. LORD GOD.

Inserting a shoemaker's spike into a baby's head to cure a disease resulted in a 100% death rate.

I'd kindly ask we don't do this in these threads..

Do what exactly?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

May I ask where you're from? Meaning, are you American? If so, what area (NSEW)? It's actually interesting, because the new narrative (that I've noticed) is that all these atrocities and despicable treating people of color, is almost exclusive to the United States.

South, right in the thick of it, Mississippi USA. Most of my family are in the south (grandmother had 12 kids), so I go from Texas, Tennessee, and Florida. I remember grandmother worked as a maid for Rosswood Plantation in the 80-90s when my mother would have to pick her up. My uncles made her stop and the Geans or whatever they were called came to her house begging her to come back. Google it, I sure did, haha. Good times.

I know a lot about the ways I should act around certain people all too well. My house is surrounded by old white people, and I gave up trying to speak to them if I'm outside, though one of them are cool and speaks.

 

[Infinite]

this is heavy. an hour and ten minutes in and I learned new stuff. For example the pseudo sciences used to rationalize slavery. Like I had no idea that's where the term Caucasian came from and we still use it today on the census and colloquially.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

South, right in the thick of it, Mississippi USA. Most of my family are in the south (grandmother had 12 kids), so I go from Texas, Tennessee, and Florida. I remember grandmother worked as a maid for Rosswood Plantation in the 80-90s when my mother would have to pick her up. My uncles made her stop and the Geans or whatever they were called came to her house begging her to come back. Google it, I sure did, haha. Good times.

I know a lot about the ways I should act around certain people all too well. My house is surrounded by old white people, and I gave up trying to speak to them if I'm outside, though one of them are cool and speaks.

Ah. Mississippi. Shit explains itself, when it comes to the education of slavery. Also see you riding that belt (Texas, Tennessee, and Florida)..makes sense.

 

[The Wall]

They actually invented a word to call the desire to escape from slavery a disease...

.....

/sigh

 

[iMAGINATION]

Shit had me pretty heated..had to pause for a couple. Dat science!

I had to too especially when she started talking the medical experiments on babies

 

[Dai101]

Inserting a shoemaker's spike into a baby's head to cure a disease resulted in a 100% death rate.



Do what exactly?

The fuck the police bit. It brings unwanted attention from lurkers which only intention is fuck shit up and then the thread derails for pages without aknowledging the OP and enters in the void of the groundhog day.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Glad this video didn't disappoint and was informative y'all as it was for me!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I had to too especially when she started talking the medical experiments on babies

As a human being (now and not then), are you fucking kidding me? As a father..welp..I'll just say I wasn't a happy camper.

Glad this video didn't disappoint and was informative y'all as it was for me!

Again, thanks so much. Just look at how many have bought the book. The Dr. does a fantastic job at breaking shit down. Will be watching again tomorrow, this time with my daughter..

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Ah. Mississippi. Shit explains itself, when it comes to the education of slavery. Also see you riding that belt (Texas, Tennessee, and Florida)..makes sense.

Yeah, I knew it was horrible stuff, but there wasn't much detail outside of tv shows (Roots, my friggin nick name is Toby), school black history assignments, and the stuff I looked up on my own. The stuff my uncles and grandmother told me wasn't slavery times, they picked cotton, talked about tricks to make the sack heaver for weighing, and my grandfather was almost killed in front of my grandmother by possible kkk (he didn't care, drank a ton, died of from it).

She framed a lot of the stuff very well, I guess I saw a whole new angle on the way they were treated outside of whips, living conditions, and extreme work.

Edit: Texas actually edit a lot of stuff when it comes to the history of the United States. It's crazy.

 

[Coffee Dog]

This was great. Thank you for posting it.

 

[Rock And Roll]

Just finished watching this, thanks for posting.

Oddly enough, I met a group of police officers from San Diego in Toronto over the summer. I was talking about what a great city San Diego was/shooting the shit etc... and as they started to get comfortable around me, some thinly veiled racist shit started coming out. Hearing the anecdotes about SDPD in this video goes a long way in explaining their racist attitudes. Yikes.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Yeah, I knew it was horrible stuff, but there wasn't much detail outside of tv shows (Roots, my friggin nick name is Toby), school black history assignments, and the stuff I looked up on my own. The stuff my uncles and grandmother told me wasn't slavery times, they picked cotton, talked about tricks to make the sack heaver for weighing, and my grandfather was almost killed in front of my grandmother by possible kkk (he didn't care, drank a ton, died of from it).

She framed a lot of the stuff very well, I guess I saw a whole new angle on the way they were treated outside of whips, living conditions, and extreme work.

Edit: Texas actually edit a lot of stuff when it comes to the history of the United States. It's crazy.

Damn..it must be bitter sweet to know your family's history so deeply. I can only assume this Texas shit will die in fire soon enough. It's despicable..

 

[Lime]

Subscribed to remember. I'll watch this tomorrow when I have time, thanks for posting

 

[kame-sennin]

The fuck the police bit. It brings unwanted attention from lurkers which only intention is fuck shit up and then the thread derails for pages without aknowledging the OP and enters in the void of the groundhog day.

The entire point of the video is that America, both black and white, is scarred to this very day by the trauma of slavery. The rationale for the murder of blacks being a non-criminal act is the same now as it was then. There's no way the police should be let off the hook for continuing the legacy of lynching in America. It also doesn't help people who are trying to survive in America today to ignore those parallels.

 

[Dai101]

Glad this video didn't disappoint and was informative y'all as it was for me!

Thanks for posting this, Cindi. Thanks so much.

Edit: Texas actually edit a lot of stuff when it comes to the history of the United States. It's crazy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/u...book-refers-to-african-slaves-as-workers.html

They still do:

A bit closer:

The entire point of the video is that America, both black and white, is scarred to this very day by the trauma of slavery. The rationale for the murder of blacks being a non-criminal act is the same now as it was then. There's no way the police should be let off the hook for continuing the legacy of lynching in America. It also doesn't help people who are trying to survive in America today to ignore those parallels.

I know, and i completely agree with you, Believe me. I'll be the first to say that in a police brutality thread.
But as i said is not the thread for it.

EDIT: What Massive Duck, C.M. said. Better than me of course.