opticalmace
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Seems pretty fair.
Expensive. I just want to know how many people think PCVR offers a justifiably higher quality of VR over PSVR when you look at these prices, and factoring in the cost of the PC/PS4 in the mix? I'm not sure it really does.
If you have a spare room to set up as your VR cave fair enough, but that will be a niche experience with a limited amount of software taking advantage of it.
EDIT: If you have the money great! I'd buy one too if I had the cash. I don't but I don't think I'll be hugely missing out on VR with the other options I have.
I've been saying it for a while but I don't think Valve really is in the game to sell HMD's.
They're pushing Vive now to push SteamVR, but sooner or later Facebook / Oculus (with their vast amount of capital) is bound to get the upper hand in the hardware market.
Facebook clearly wants to dominate and really, how can you win Facebook unless you're Apple or Google?
On the mobile side they're also partnered with Samsung who is 100 times the size of HTC, and they're pushing Oculus branded Gear VR already to millions. The "mainstream" can already go to their nearest phone retailer and get one.
Can Valve or HTC expect to compete with that? I doubt it.
So I would bet that Valve is already preparing for the loss on the hardware front and all this is just to keep their current foothold in software sales. That's why they're so focused in supporting the Rift with both Steam and SteamVR.
iPad Pro is a complete product, you need a pretty expensive computer too to use the Vive (or Rift). The price is pure madness. Honestly, I think VR will bomb on PC because of these prices.As insane as it sounds, that's not bad. Relatively speaking.
Certainly better value than OR for those in Europe
For reference, that's the same price as the 32GB iPad Pro in the UK
iPad Pro is a complete product, you need a pretty expensive computer too to use the Vive (or Rift). The price is pure madness. Honestly, I think VR will bomb on PC because of these prices.
Expensive. I just want to know how many people think PCVR offers a justifiably higher quality of VR over PSVR when you look at these prices, and factoring in the cost of the PC/PS4 in the mix? I'm not sure it really does.
If you have a spare room to set up as your VR cave fair enough, but that will be a niche experience with a limited amount of software taking advantage of it.
EDIT: If you have the money great! I'd buy one too if I had the cash. I don't but I don't think I'll be hugely missing out on VR with the other options I have.
"Expensive. I just want to know how many people think PCVR offers a justifiably higher quality of VR over PSVR when you look at these prices, and factoring in the cost of the PC/PS4 in the mix? I'm not sure it really does."
Easily, and not just in graphics. The benefits of an open platform vs. closed make PSVR a non-starter if I were to only get one.
I'm very excited about VR but I'm not really interested at all in PSVR. I also recognize that I will be an early adopter, I will be spending a lot on a piece of equipment that will soon be obsolete, I think the vast majority of early adopters realize this. I am not setting up a VR cave. For me, PC is such a better platform for games in general for so many reasons, at this point I've virtually lost interest in consoles. If I'm going to be an early adopter, I'm going to invest in the best experience I can have, it's all going to be expensive, but honestly, PCVR is cheaper for me anyway. My PC is ready and I do not own a PS4.
Valve isn't focused on much other than making sure they can prevent an outcome where Steam has no relevance or draw in VR, so they can keep going as a business since they see VR as a big part of the future for gaming among other things. The point of SteamVR is multiple vendors for hardware, and all SteamVR / OpenVR devices get access to the software side of what they are doing like chaperone and camera features, while hardware like Lighthouse is freely licensable to anyone, in order to ease it's adoption of lighthouse tracking in other products and increase it's usefulness.
The idea that Valve are preparing for a "loss on the hardware front" skips over how far ahead they are thinking, and that it isn't necessary to be "the best / winner" against all these other companies. All Valve wants is for no one to lock them out, which would be likely if it was just Oculus around. Even in Keighley's Gameslice interview, they discuss why they are not focusing on mobile and how they plan ahead for the future. They seem more interested in research to keep SteamVR alive. I suspect as long as they can develop growth for gaming in VR, they'll be happy enough. Oculus have no intention of only being involved with gaming. HTC don't either, but I don't think Valve will be too bothered.
899 euro is about 983 dollars.
That's 184 USD higher.
Expensive. I just want to know how many people think PCVR offers a justifiably higher quality of VR over PSVR when you look at these prices, and factoring in the cost of the PC/PS4 in the mix? I'm not sure it really does.
If you have a spare room to set up as your VR cave fair enough, but that will be a niche experience with a limited amount of software taking advantage of it.
EDIT: If you have the money great! I'd buy one too if I had the cash. I don't but I don't think I'll be hugely missing out on VR with the other options I have.
How is it possible that Sony can do $399 = 399€ and HTC can't?
How is it possible that Sony can do $399 = 399 and HTC can't?
Yup, this and the fast evolution of PC gaming tech which could mean that we'll see new HMDs in 2 years has made me lose the interest almost completely, plus the prices in Europe are just crazy.I'm still a bit hesistant to plonk down over a $1000 on something that may or may not be well supported by developers.
I feel like the Vive price is just a reaction to the Rift price. If the Rift was $399 there'd be no way the Vive would be $799. But because the Rift is $599 and when the gap is only about $200 given the extras (room scale, controllers), it doesn't seem so bad.
Sucks because $799 is too expensive for me for a blind and first gen purchase. I think $500 would have been my limit for VR but it's going to take a while before it gets to that price.
The fact that it will be AU$1260 doesn't help things. I mean I've purchased LCD tvs, PC monitors over $1000+, my xbox360 HDTV was $3000, but I'm still a bit hesistant to plonk down over a $1000 on something that may or may not be well supported by developers.
Because the arrow of time:How is it possible that Sony can do $399 = 399€ and HTC can't?
Yup, this and the fast evolution of PC gaming tech which could mean that we'll see new HMDs in 2 years has made me lose the interest almost completely, plus the prices in Europe are just crazy.
And customs.Switzerland is outside EU and VAC, still we have to pay full price
Jesus christ. This is going to be like $2000 in Australia, isn't it? No thanks.
1. Your opinion is valid.
2. The Vive is a high end product.. Complaining about its price makes as much sense as complaining about the price of a Veyron when you're free to buy a cheaper and still good car. Wait or buy a cheaper option if the price is too high.
3. Next gen/iterarion of high end HMDS are going to appear continously on PCVR and I bet the Rift 2 (I pre ordered a Rift) will be announced within a year, not two.
How many times do we need to repeat this: There will of course be cheaper HMDs on the PC than that (and we don't know the PSVR price..).
And how many times do we need to repeat this; The Vive and the Rift are premium enthusiast products, PSVR is not. They are not supposed to be cheap but to offer the best quality and experience.
Let's wait and see if there PSVR prices are the same
You don't have to repeat anything. Melon gets it, thank you. Did not think about that. Thought it had to do with having more bases of operation around the world. What I meant was how is it possible for Sony to offer the same number price and HTC and Oculus don't. Example was the PS4 price with 399 dollars/399 euro whereas HTC seems to be 799 dollars/899 euro.Because the arrow of time:
2. The Vive is a high end product.. Complaining about its price makes as much sense as complaining about the price of a Veyron when you're free to buy a cheaper and still good car. Wait or buy a cheaper option if the price is too high.
799 us dollars turned into 899 euros? Thank you, but no thank you.
The list of reasons to justify a 3 or 4 (or even more?) times higher price tag for a Veyron compared to other sports cars potentially has hundreds of entries. These headsets vary little in hardware being used. If PSVR hits at 399, there are no reasons for Vive to be twice as much. This comparison is really bad.
Chû Totoro;196997762 said:Maybe one day people will learn that US prices are WITHOUT taxes while EU ones are WITH taxes -_-
EU is still a little more expensive but it's not 20% more expensive.
Oh and regarding the price, now console owners are going to feel even more like peasants lol
PC VR
Console VR
Of course you want a car to offer you a way to go from point A to point B but there's different ways to do it. With PS VR it may be less "impressive".
What I mean is that some games well optimized on PC with Vive could feel like something console owners can only dream of. VR is not like other platforms, it's very power demanding so having less power and a less high end tech Headset will make things way more challenging for devs. But it may be a good thing, difficulties and constraints are what leads to innovation. Maybe some of the best games will end up being console only games.
I'm really impatient to see the first big impressive games, exclusives or not. I'm not totally hyped by VR even if some of the tech and games shown seem to be good but seing what the industry can come up with this semi new toy will be at least fun to watch.
It'll still sell out, people want the next big thing and will pay for it.