Does everyone realize thomasmahler is the ori dev? He seems to be going slightly unnoticed here.
People are too busy attacking him for saying something negative about Nintendo.
Does everyone realize thomasmahler is the ori dev? He seems to be going slightly unnoticed here.
Seems fine if he's nothing valuable to pitch (I.e. a current project) then what's the point?
Except that you are forgetting one thing: there are already nearly 20 millions of xbox one out there, and it will take years the NX install base to build up. You are also dismissing SE's official statement about DQXI for NX is just something under consideration and it is not set in stone.
And DQX was released while PS3 is on its last leg and PS4 haven't released yet. Now that PS4 has respectable install base, they have announced a PS4 version.
Personally i wouldnt take Cloud appearing in Smash as anything. Look at Solid Snake.
The NX wasn't (and still isn't) officially announced yet, so SquareEnix can't officially say that they have anything in development for it. Others have said this to you besides me, though, so I will drop this.
Microsoft doesn't have much of a Japanese presence (and that is an understatement). Nintendo's handheld, however, is the top player there. If Nintendo's portable can sale close to the 3DS, it will not take too long for it to surpass the userbase for the Wii U/PSVita/PS4/XBox Family combined in Japan in conjunction with the console. SquareEnix can easily benefit from that.
Does everyone realize thomasmahler is the ori dev? He seems to be going slightly unnoticed here.
In my case I knew and I assume others knew also seeing how EDarkness is also a dev.People are too busy attacking him for saying something negative about Nintendo.
They've also released a bunch of 3DS titles and are working on more, including DQ11 itself.Well that's my point. They havent said anything, and given that they have released a handful of DQ spinoffs on PS platforms in recent years
Well that's a huge change from past accounts of Nintendo helping out developers. It used to be you were pretty much on your own.To add to this, Nintendo has been helping me like crazy trying to get my game running well enough on the Wii U. I have some pretty crazy demands as far as how I like my code to function, but they've been extremely helpful and tolerant. I'm just some no-name game developer right now, yet they've been giving me first class service. I firmly believe that they'll reach out to all indies when they're ready, but the crew in charge are good people and seem to genuinely want to see us succeed.
In my case I knew and I assume others knew also seeing how EDarkness is also a dev.
So not "attacking" just pointing things out.
Maybe his experience was bad with Nintendo at some point and therefore assumes that they should be like Sony in helping and embracing indies...but at least over the past 3 years that's what they've been doing. And everything is pointing to just things getting better.
Even when the Wii U "is dying" and like in the Undertale thread many were wondering "but Wii U is dead...why".
Except that you are forgetting one thing: there are already nearly 20 millions of xbox one out there, and it will take years the NX install base to build up. You are also dismissing SE's official statement about DQXI for NX is just something under consideration and it is not set in stone.
And DQX was released while PS3 is on its last leg and PS4 haven't released yet. Now that PS4 has respectable install base, they have announced a PS4 version.
Personally i wouldnt take Cloud appearing in Smash as anything. Look at Solid Snake.
Well that's my point. They havent said anything, and given that they have released a handful of DQ spinoffs on PS platforms in recent years, there's no indication that SE is on board on the NX or closer with Nintendo regarding the home console except an unconfirmed DQXI. They were probably closer during the Wii period, considering that Wii has got more SE games than the Wii U.
And they've been doing that for years. They even started giving away free Unity and Autodesk tools before Sony.
The only difference was that while Sony was stepping out on E3 screaming "indies!!!!" Nintendo wasn't. Even the threads in here went mostly ignored. Then look at other things Nindies at Home, Nindies at Night, Wii U Humble Bundle...they have been working and improving relationships, they just don't feel the need to scream sbout it.
There are indies working on NX projects.
Once the NX is officially revealed things will be more open. For now, is part of the process.
People are too busy attacking him for saying something negative about Nintendo.Does everyone realize thomasmahler is the ori dev? He seems to be going slightly unnoticed here.
Exactly. If I were them, I wouldn't even try to fuck up the possible relations with 3rd party publishers; I'd do everything possible to try to make them happy & to get them on board.
Come on now. His comments have been discussed at length by those supporting his view and those not supporting his view.
Heh, I just looked at his posts and didn't see people quoting him. My bad if I failed to notice.
The only difference was that while Sony was stepping out on E3 screaming "indies!!!!" Nintendo wasn't. Even the threads in here went mostly ignored. Then look at other things Nindies at Home, Nindies at Night, Wii U Humble Bundle...they have been working and improving relationships, they just don't feel the need to scream sbout it.
Sure but they aren't doing anything bad either.
Of course time will tell. Saying this secrecy is good or bad is dumb(at this current moment in time) because we know next to nothing.
Well that's a huge change from past accounts of Nintendo helping out developers. It used to be you were pretty much on your own.
and this is the point with Nintendo and third parties, made a lot worse with smaller ones/indies, the lack of promotion and space quite likely also due to fear of lowering sales and awareness of their first party titles.
Sony position itself differently. Sony makes money with some first party games, but they likely know that the strength of those first party games is to help maintain the system software offering varied and enticing... Not THE reason to buy the console for some people, but it is part of what gives the impression of a strong ecosystem which people can buy into. People may buy PS4 for third parties, but it is not just sometimes better graphics which seals the deal, but it is the PlayStation ecosystem people know and love.
Well if developers are saying different things about how Nintendo is approaching third party indie games, and how they have done a shit job promoting them like unlike Sony.
I think it sheds some light on how they are approaching this new platform, which comes off like they did not learn anything from the failure of Wii U.
Rob Fahey said:In short, while sympathising with Moon Studios' frustration and anger at being unable to work towards the launch of the NX (whenever that may occur, whatever that may be), I find it hard to fault Nintendo's logic in keeping its circle of trust extremely narrow, for now. There's value and commercial logic to its secrecy, and little sense (in fact, potentially a negative impact) to opening up the launch window to all and sundry. The company must, however, take some aspects of Mahler's criticism on board; that Moon Studios cannot access the system's launch window is one thing, but once the broad details of the NX are out in public, it's creative companies like this that Nintendo must work hard to get on board for the second and third waves of software the NX will need to sustain it in the market and to keep it ticking over between the big, first-party pillar releases that will be its bread and butter. Judge Nintendo on its efforts then; if Mahler and his team still can't get their hands on NX dev kits once the company has made the nature of the console public, serious questions will need to be asked (again!) about the firm's third-party relations.
Meh. I'm not gonna read too much into it. I'll wait and see.
Read the rest here.
Do you know a single smaller studio that has a NX devkit? I sure don't. Which means it's not far fetched to assume that Nintendo will have 0 smaller studio software support for at least the second half of 2017 or even later than that.
Ok, but do they have an SDK? And are they on track to get them this summer?+1, and even for (some) big studios
Does everyone realize thomasmahler is the ori dev? He seems to be going slightly unnoticed here.
Its such old news. Especially if you have been in ori or xbox thread instead of the same stuff.People are too busy attacking him for saying something negative about Nintendo.
+1, and even for (some) big studios
Well if developers are saying different things about how Nintendo is approaching third party indie games, and how they have done a shit job promoting them like unlike Sony.
Juicy Beast said:We weren’t really able to get a featured spot on any the storefronts, except for Nintendo who actually featured us on both the American and European front pages. Thanks Nintendo!
What’s also interesting is that being featured twice on the Wii U eShop actually ramped up the sales of the game to almost equal numbers with the other 2.
Is that article taking into account "Didn't see it when reading" that Sony took gambles on brand new indie games that were first foray's for some developers?
There were a lot of new developers who launched on PS4. Octodad developer's were straight from college and it was their first ever game. ANd that released withing the first year, and was showcased at E3 2013.
So I would say Sony was being open to new developers with unproven games. Ori and the blind forest is a proven game, so it makes no sense. Octodad was already early access on steam before it's announcement for PS4 I believe.
And being open with new unproven developers has really helped Sony's indie program shine. Nintendo being coy about Ori developer makes no sense at all. And seeing as they've goten games in the past that premiered on other platforms from indie developer's makes no lick of sense.
Thanks for this. Great post! Really good summary of the situation and possibilitiesa lot of awesome stuff
Thanks for this. Great post! Really good summary of the situation and possibilities