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[Deleted member 47027]

Ok so why? Is the market adopting 4K displays quickly enough to justify this?

It's starting to heat up. I believe it is.

 

[TyrantII]

Fracturing the installation base is pretty dumb.

At this point itll make more sense to just go PC if we're looking at $400 upgrades every 3-4 years. I left PC because of that need. Bringing upgrades like this removes the incentive keeping me there.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

I think it's more perplexing that they'd jump from 1080p to 4k.

RIP 1440p.

 

[orochi91]

A console running modern games at 4K at (presumably) 30fps.

That sounds crazy expensive, lol

Return of $599 (or more) if true.

 

[TimeEffect]

I mean..why not just reduce the price and release a slimline model? Isn't that method so successful?

I worry this may confuse consumers and wonder if they will sell both models.

 

[PhilipDoesMatter]

Run to the hills! It's treason gentleman!

 

[bathsalts]

AMD's shambling corpse to be kept afloat for a couple more years.

 

[DannyDanger]

I bought and play a ps4 because I wanted my games to look and play as best as they could in the console space. For example, when red dead 3 comes out, I don't want to play it at 1080p/30fps with drops when I could be playing it at 60fps. Idk, the fact that I'll know people playing a "ps4.5" will be getting a better experience than me rubs me the wrong way. Because the whole idea of a console was you would just buy the box and be done for 6/7years. But I guess that's not true anymore

Sorry but this just sounds selfish...

If you were happy with current ps4 graphics, there's no reason, the existence of the same game with better visuals should bother you. If thats the case you should've bought a pc.

And your console will still work for the next 6/7yrs... You're not losing anything

 

[Pancake Mix]

2 years from now will be 5 years from the launch of the PS4 and Xbone.

That's a whole console generation.

Used to be, but that's a bold statement after last gen, and even the PS2 before that lasting over 6 years before its successor. We'll see.

 

[Sylas]

The 4k part of the rumor is interesting.

I don't think it will be all games. I just think it will have the support for it but developers will need to make compromises on a per title basis.

For some indies, I could see it be an attractive option.

It's definitely interesting, but the horsepower required to achieve 4K is massive. Just for reference...

The resolution alone is a huge increase. There's no way that it's decently priced at current market.

What do people do when it's $800+?

 

[SlimySnake]

I did not like the idea of MS's yearly console upgrade like new iPhones, but one upgrade a gen is something I am ok with. Hopefully MS will follow suit and stick with just one upgrade this gen before releasing an Xbox Two a couple of years later.

I almost bought a $1,300 PC last month, but if Sony and MS release $400 versions of upgraded consoles that can play games at 4k then i will just trade in my consoles for around $400 and upgrade both for 1/3rd the cost of building a new PC.

 

[Afrikan]

15 pages already?

GAF WHY U LET KOTAKU DO THIS TO YOU????

 

[Nabbis]

Ok so why? Is the market adopting 4K displays quickly enough to justify this?

The 4k part is bullshit. It's barely adequate with enthusiast PCs to push for 30fps.

 

[aadiboy]

There sure have been a lot of revelations in the gaming industry these past few days...

 

[CarbonFire]

PS5 will certainly support 4k, but it's too early for that.

Real-ass High-end Graphics cards can barely push 4k at the current level of visual fidelity, no way they're squeezing that kind of power into a PS4-sized box for a similar price anytime soon.

Call us back in 2019 for the PS5 reveal.

 

[the_lizard]

God damn it.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Patents seem to imply Nintendo may do this with different NX models and then we heard MS is considering it, so yeah this doesn't surprise me. I'm totally okay with the idea the traditional console generation dying, hopefully they put some sort of upgrade plan in place, otherwise I guess I'll just go with every other upgrade.

 

[woen]

Why not build a PS4 that can run 1080p/60fps before going 4k/25fps?

You have to understand that resolution and graphical "experience" are what sell AAA, not 60fps. Not everyone knows about framerate and why it is and/or can be important.

 

[Obliterator]

All the I'll just build a PC comments.....and yet you will do the exact same thing on that. Upgrade your GPU every 2-3 years which is about the cost of a console

 

[ChaosZeroX]

Lol you gotta be kidding me.

So now PS4 owners get shafted and have to buy the new iteration.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I guess Sony are getting out of the console business as well then lol

 

[UnrealEck]

4K isn't much to go on. It just raises more questions. How will games perform? How will games look?

All the I'll just build a PC comments.....and yet you will do the exact same thing on that. Upgrade your GPU every 2-3 years which is about the cost of a console

The PC would most likely still be more powerful though.

 

[LowSignal]

I call this BS. Sony would do like sega and shoot themselves in the foot like the genesis CD

except it's not like Sega it's like PC

 

[Curufinwe]

Used to be, but that's a bold statement after last gen, and even the PS2 before that lasting over 6 years before its successor. We'll see.

The Xbox lasted four years. Was the 360 a new console or a Xbox 1.5?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

15 pages already?

GAF WHY U LET KOTAKU DO THIS TO YOU????

They're not usually wrong about hardware and this is Mr. Scoops himself.

 

[Cymbal Head]

Actually, you know what? If they give me graphics options so I can have games continue to run at playable framerates on my gimped old-ass PS4.0, I'd be fine with it.

 

[orochi91]

15 pages already?

GAF WHY U LET KOTAKU DO THIS TO YOU????

Even if it turns out false, speculation threads are pretty fun :3

 

[papo]

Umm... The console lifespan was incredibly feasible, the hardware was stable, the performancs unchangjng, and the box a means to an end. Even a smaller company like Nintendo could compete against a giant like Microsoft or Sony because you weren't constantly pumping an unsustainable (for them) amount into R&D. They were always developing, but their hardware they got out of that could last a good several years, instead of a constant need to pump out annual hardware products. Sony and Microsoft bought into the model too, and their boxes were rarely profitable. If we're entering a world of heavily marked up annual console models that's a change to the industry...and not a good one.

I don't get it, one of the best things about consoles is the fixed hardware imo.

OUTDATED fixed hardware. IT was good for what it was, but it was and is outdated hardware even by the time they launch. It might not have made a difference in other gens, but I am thinking since architecture is now the same as PC, or ate least similar, this is not a good thing right now.

Technology and hardware evolve at a fast pace. Having a 10 year console life cycle worked last gen, but here it would be disastrous. Maybe even similar to how Nintendo fell behind. SO this is a reason they might be looking into this.

Sony , MS and console gaming cannot swim against the current. Even Nintedo, which has had success distancing themselves for this, are being more active about staying relevant.

So fixed hardware is not always good if it minds falling behind other tech hardware and could be seen as direct competitors. Same will hopefully happen with VR.


Also going by responses here, many gamers will not like this, but they should. Gamers should stop being cheap about supporting the hobby/tech they love. Now more than ever I feel it is important for consoles to keep being relevant. Even if PS4 has sold a ton of stuff if they fall behind other tech stuff by the time this 6-10 year gen ends they would be in a bad place, tech wise at least. So let's stop being cheap.

 

[vivftp]

Hmmm, this is interesting. So if true, I imagine it would work a lot like PC's where games have different graphical settings to scale to different hardware. You can still play each and every game on the older hardware, just with fewer bells and whistles. Ditto for PSVR.

I already own 2 PS4's, but I will be getting PSVR and this intrigues me. If the rumor is true, I'd probably take a wait and see approach on whether I'd get the new console.

I imagine this new release model would be intended for the updated unit to come out half way through the consoles life span, then they fully move on to the next console.

 

[Griss]

Sounds like you haven't checked out PC gaming in quite some time, though

All five of my points are still relevant to consumers today. Like, to this very day.

 

[hemo memo]

#4therichplayers

Ftfy

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

If this is true, it would make me hesitate to invest in PSVR in 2016. The PC and mobile feature of fast hardware iteration wasn't something I was ready for in the console space.

 

[Guymelef]

This is one of those times they are talking about PS5 and not an "enhanced PS4".

Or this is bullshit or the developer source is just ignorant.

 

[gconsole]

Huh? Is this supposed to be a Nintendo has no games joke?

Maybe. And I do own WiiU.

 

[Man]

All PS4 generation games then to be playable on both PS4 and PS4.5.
Games to come with high-preset for .5 updates.

 

[Fardeen]

the whole point of a console is not to upgrade after X amount of years. sony is doing the PC route which defeats the purpose of a console generation

 

[Sephzilla]

I feel like this would be an incredibly stupid move by Sony.

 

[Protann]

All the I'll just build a PC comments.....and yet you will do the exact same thing on that. Upgrade your GPU every 2-3 years which is about the cost of a console

At least we know that going in.

 

[Killer Queen]

By "the right thing", do you mean they should've released a significantly more expensive console back in 2013?

Might aswel have if this was the route they planned to go. You'll just end up in the same situation a few years down the road. Plenty of people buy consoles so they don't have to buy new hardware every couple of years to feel like they're getting the best out of their platform, if that ceases to be true why should I continue buying your hardware?

 

[HooYaH]

Maybe it's really just the PS5 and some devs called it a PS4.5 because it's just the same hardware setup, but more powerful. With the move to X86, that's really what it should be anyways. The PS4 was released in 2013 and we're in year 3 already and Sony likely started working on the next box right after the PS4 was released. So it'd make sense that developers would be talking about it already, especially if we're back to a good 5 year cycle instead of a bullshit 7-8 year cycle (which was waaaaay too long). The PS5 being the PS4, but better and with full BC is exactly what I want out of it.

I agree. It's just a bunch of people in this thread doesn't realize that next year, PS4 will be 4 years old.

 

[spwolf]

More here: http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053

oh crap, this will force me to get 4K TV.

In my mind, this is obvious - upgraded hardware compatible with PS4. Should not be hard for devs to support fully at all.

As to the PS5, it will be obvious continuation of this, not all-new architecture with all new OS, those days are gone.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Ftfy

#4thepayers works so much easier.

 

[PJV3]

They start work on a new console straight after launch and they need to be able to counter MS.

Until the new console can exist at an attractive price then I can't see it happening. I'm not against a bridging console in the last year's of the current model.

 

[labaronx]

Until it comes from sony themselves ill take this with a grain of salt

Seems unlikely but who knows

 

[Klyka]

"I buy a console cause I know it'll run well and I don't have to upgrade my PC every half year to play the newest games" - Console gamers

RIP beautiful argument

 

[Wishmaster92]

Holy shit!

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Sonys probably doing research for PS5 and this is just some miscommunication

 

[teiresias]

I think it's more perplexing that they'd jump from 1080p to 4k.

RIP 1440p.

1440p is not a standard television resolution.

 

[twobear]

As long as it doesn't formsome kind of disparity in the player base, which I don't think it will, then I'm fine with this.

they're already forming a disparity in the playerbase with vr

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

While not confirmed, I'm excited for consoles to finally do this kinda stuff.