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[onQ123]

I see what you're trying to say but. smartphone is used a lot more by a lot more people. to most people it's the most important device in their life

So is the TV for some people. Also with phones you only need one & the old one becomes mostly useless to you but now with all the multimedia apps on consoles they can be used all over the house as STBs.

PlayStation Vue & Netflix will be good enough reasons for some people to have multiply PS4's in their home if they want to go out & get the new one when it come out.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Bring on my annual Sony and Microsoft taxes...

 

[The Artisan]

Read through the 100 pages or so and maybe you'll understand why some people including myself would be reasonably upset.

and now there's this thread.

 

[prwxv3]

Ding,ding,ding. Whats so hard to grasp here?

How on earth is buying a upgraded system anything like PC gaming?

 

[KAL2006]

Doesn't this nullify Consoles advantages as closed system?

I mean devs won't utilize PS4.5 capabilities to the fullest so original PS4 would be able to play all games.

I really don't like the sound of this, Sony should wait full generation for PS4 then go all out with PS5.

This would only nullify the advantage of PS4.5 but not PS5. PS4.5 would just be a halfway point for graphic whores who want extra bells and whistles and feel the gen is too long.

 

[Frodo]

The only way this can work is if it is a Nintendo DS > DSi/ 3DS > New 3DS situation.

Sony once again copying Nintendo, I see...

 

[Chris1]

Common sense. If what players want is even playing field then that's what the devs would do to make it so. Or risk their MP community dying.

That doesn't make sense though. I can't see them releasing upgraded hardware then going "oh but it doesn't work on these games, it only works on these ones" "these games might not work on the old ps4/xbox one, only new models" then saying "Oh and on the games it does work on, it'll only work on these certain modes, not the full game".

Then those that do buy the upgraded consoles complain because they're being intentionally held back for parity, I mean it already happens with PS4/Xbox one/Last gen. It comes to a point where there'd be no point releasing upgrading hardware and they might aswell jump into next gen instead, and restricting it like you're claiming is way past that line in my opinion. I really can't see them making SP 4k then once you hop into MP it's toned down to 1080p, 900p or even 720p. There's a gigantic difference between 1080p down to 900p and 4k down to 900p.

In addition when has something like that ever happened? Phones, Tablets, and PC gaming the improvements are across the board not in specific areas of games/apps on upgraded hardware, why would consoles be any different in this regard? It'd be much easier to just copy how it works on PC since that's more or less the route they'll be going at that point.

 

[jeffram]

Doesn't this nullify Consoles advantages as closed system?

I mean devs won't utilize PS4.5 capabilities to the fullest so original PS4 would be able to play all games.

I really don't like the sound of this, Sony should wait full generation for PS4 then go all out with PS5.

depends on the capability of the ps4.5. If all they do is beef up the gpu, then all the devs could be looking to do is increase resolution and frame rate

 

[mckmas8808]

It's definitely interesting, but the horsepower required to achieve 4K is massive. Just for reference...

The resolution alone is a huge increase. There's no way that it's decently priced at current market.

What do people do when it's $800+?

People dont understand how expensive the jump to 4k is. Why skip over 1440p?

And for the artist....are they going to be designing their art asset for 4k? If so how expensive will this be for game development?

 

[David Ricardo]

How on earth is buying a upgraded system anything like PC gaming?

There will be games that will function less than optimally on PS4 and games that don't take full advantage of the PS4.5. Basically it's the same as having an old/new graphics card in your PC. Old GPU will run games like shit, new GPU will run them better but will never be used to it's full potential.

It negates the main advantage of consoles, which is a stream of good games across 5-6 years that get better and better until next gen arrives.

 

[jroc74]

The only way this can work is if it is a Nintendo DS > DSi/ 3DS > New 3DS situation.

Sony once again copying Nintendo, I see...

I would rethink this ...especially when it comes to the News 3DS.

All that was fine until the New 3DS came out.

 

[Frodo]

People dont understand how expensive the jump to 4k is. Why skip over 1440p?

And for the artist....are they going to be designing their art asset for 4k? If so how expensive will this be for game development?

I'm pretty much sure the 4K part only refers to Blu-ray or Streaming. No way a PS4.5 would be able to run games in 4K unless they are super simple and have no effects or sparkles and stuff. PC gamers struggle to reach that with video cards that cost more than a couple of PS4s alone. I'd not hold my breath.

 

[Frodo]

I would rethink this ...especially when it comes to the News 3DS.

All that was fine until the New 3DS came out.

You are right. I realised that after I posted.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

How on earth is buying a upgraded system anything like PC gaming?

For years,generations the main reason to buy a console was to have a fixed piece of hardware for a nice amount of time? No whats so hard for people thats for this to get? It sees to be only you guys that has a problem too. No one who is skeptical of this is calling the other side poor,unreasonable etc(this isn't aimed at u). This is something new to the console space iys basically pc territory.

 

[prwxv3]

For years,generations the main reason to buy a console was to have a fixed piece of hardware for a nice amount of time? No whats so hard for people thats for this to get? It sees to be only you guys that has a problem too. No one who is skeptical of this is calling the other side poor,unreasonable etc(this isn't aimed at u). This is something new to the console space iys basically pc territory.

No it's not. You don't have to worry about compatibility issues like PC. All games that run on ps4.5 will run on ps4 until ps5 hits the market. Ps4.5 will just run them better. You can totally ignore the half step console until the ps5 hits unless you can't stand the thought others are playing the same games with better performance.

 

[KAL2006]

No it's not. You don't have to worry about compatibility issues like PC. All games that run on ps4.5 will run on ps4 until ps5 hits the market. Ps4.5 will just run them better. You can totally ignore the half step console until the ps5 hits unless you can't stand the thought others are playing the same games with better performance.

Exactly I don't understand why people don't get this.

 

[Mushroom021]

No it's not. You don't have to worry about compatibility issues like PC. All games that run on ps4.5 will run on ps4 until ps5 hits the market. Ps4.5 will just run them better. You can totally ignore the half step console until the ps5 hits unless you can't stand the thought others are playing the same games with better performance.

The idea that some will be playing the "gimped" version of the game will bother people.

Edit- people "get" what you guys are saying. You don't "get" why people are disappointed.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

The idea that some will be playing the "gimped" version of the game will bother people.

Edit- people "get" what you guys are saying. You don't "get" why people are disappointed.

Thats whats bothering me basically. And its not even like im totally against it either but i need more info so im not jumping on that train just yet.

 

[zephyrsquall]

My concern with this is whether or not the games for both systems will have the same quality. Will devs just port watered down PS4.5 games to PS4 like how PS4 to PS3 is now? Mostly an equivalent content/quality gripe

 

[ironcreed]

Exactly I don't understand why people don't get this.

Indeed. You can continue enjoying the PS4 just as you planned to and will miss nothing. The only reason to be upset is if you are insecure.

 

[A.D. Skinner]

The idea that some will be playing the "gimped" version of the game will bother people.

Edit- people "get" what you guys are saying. You don't "get" why people are disappointed.

They way Microsoft worded their vision, it could well be a case of them being like PC. It's console, all based around the same foundation so all future systems will play all games.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Indeed. You can continue enjoying the PS4 just as you planned to and will miss nothing. The only reason to be upset is if you are insecure.

This is exactly what i mean. I find the other side immensely childish.

 

[Trago]

My concern with this is whether or not the games for both systems will have the same quality. Will devs just port watered down PS4.5 games to PS4 like how PS4 to PS3 is now? Mostly an equivalent content/quality gripe

Considering that the gap likely won't be like a traditional generation leap, I'd say current PS4 owners are fine.

 

[SOR5]

Indeed. You can continue enjoying the PS4 just as you planned to and will miss nothing. The only reason to be upset is if you are insecure.

I understand this, my only wish is to make sure that with these "updated consoles" that the previous consumers do get prioritized like before for some time.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Traditional consoles were always going to go away or mutate at some point...

 

[The Artisan]

Indeed. You can continue enjoying the PS4 just as you planned to and will miss nothing. The only reason to be upset is if you are insecure.

I can't get the full enjoyment out of it knowing that there's a better version right on Ps4 that I could be playing on. That's the point of being on a console.

 

[Kyzer]

Oh ok I guess I get it, its still ps4 games but basically makes it uber compatible with PSVR

 

[prwxv3]

I understand this, my only wish is to make sure that with these "updated consoles" that the previous consumers do get prioritized like before for some time.

No one is going to abandon the 30 mill installbase right after the upgraded console is released.

 

[ironcreed]

I understand this, my only wish is to make sure that with these "updated consoles" that the previous consumers do get prioritized like before for some time.

Everything is going to be forward and backward compatible. Do you feel like you are getting 'gimped' on the PS4 now? If so, then you have the option to upgrade. If not, then everything will remain the same. They are not going to just fuck over all of the PS4 owners and give them shitty versions of games, lol. Nothing will change for you if you are happy with PS4.

 

[prwxv3]

I can't get the full enjoyment out of it knowing that there's a better version right on Ps4 that I could be playing on. That's the point of being on a console.

No it's not the point of a console is a convenient way to play games.

 

[KAL2006]

The idea that some will be playing the "gimped" version of the game will bother people.

Edit- people "get" what you guys are saying. You don't "get" why people are disappointed.

We are always constantly playing a gimped version. The PC version of a game is superior. As PS4 is similar to PC architecture I don't see why it's a crime for Sony to have a PS4.5 as a halfway point for tech enthusiasts to have better graphics. As long as this doesn't change plans for the PS5 this shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Brohan]

I would find this a pretty shitty development if true. I would be fine with a shorter generation and never expected this generation to last as long as the previous gen but incremental upgrades within a generation just sucks.

 

[CosmicQueso]

With all this 4K gaming I'm starting to think it's simply a better upscaler chip for native 4K tvs to make 1080p games look a bit better with the new model.

That's my assumption too. If it was truly native 4K,it would likely require much more than what's being rumored.

Native 4K gaming sounds like PS5 territory. This thing sounds like a stopgap to support the push of 4K tvs and bluray. But I guess we have to wait and see.

 

[onQ123]

This must be US thing which is less than 1/3 of total PS4 sales.

People all over the world stay on their consoles for hours a day there is a Japanese woman that live stream from her PS4 about 24 hours a day this is not just a US thing people use consoles for multimedia just like they use their phones & tablets.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

It's probably just a upscaler 4K chip.

 

[ironcreed]

I can't get the full enjoyment out of it knowing that there's a better version right on Ps4 that I could be playing on. That's the point of being on a console.

The games would be the same on PS4, regardless. But if it really bothers you that someone else has a better version then trade up and upgrade. Me? I am happy with the PS4 and plan to get a good run with it just as I originally planned to. I don't give a shit if Joe, Bob and Bill are running the same games a bit better. I will upgrade when I am ready and take my games with me. Good stuff.

 

[diffusionx]

I play games on Xbox 360, console, PC, etc., and I really think these differences are much smaller than what sites like DF let on. I was playing Bulletstorm on 360 the other day, I originally played it at max on PC, and to be sure it looks better, but the game is still really fun on 360 and I quickly put that aside to enjoy the game. I mean let's say PS4 played Bloodborne as it is, PS4.5 plays it with some anti-aliasing and maybe a higher framerate, yes the experience is better but not game changing. It's still the same game. I don't think slightly better hardware is a compelling way to move systems.

That said, the PS4.5 would have to be a *lot* more powerful to play Uncharted 4 (for example) in 4k, I'm not sure Sony is going to go that far.

 

[SOR5]

Everything is going to be forward and backward compatible. Do you feel like you are getting 'gimped' on the PS4 now? If so, then you have the option to upgrade. If not, then everything will remain the same. They are not going to just fuck over all of the PS4 owners and give them shitty versions of games, lol. Nothing will change for you if you are happy with PS4.

This is good, i'd be purely happy with 'standard console with decent optimization' and 'upgraded console with improved potential', forward compatibility and backward compatibility is a must.

 

[The Artisan]

No it's not the point of a console is a convenient way to play games.

it's not convenient to me knowing that there's a better way to experience the game on a console.

The games would be the same on PS4, regardless. But if it really bothers you that someone else has a better version then trade up and upgrade. Me? I am happy with the PS4 and plan to get a good run with it just as I originally planned to. I don't give a shit if Joe, Bob and Bill are running the same games a bit better. I will upgrade when I am ready and take my games with me. Good stuff.

it's not about how someone else enjoys the game. I mentioned this in the other thread. as of right now, there are others already having advantages over me with bigger TVs, maybe even 4Ktvs. that may not change the hardware of the console but that still enhances the console gaming experience.

so for me, knowing that I'm playing a game which has an existing-better version will be annoying me because it's always been the one option for playing the game I've always had.

 

[KAL2006]

I would find this a pretty shitty development if true. I would be fine with a shorter generation and never expected this generation to last as long as the previous gen but incremental upgrades within a generation just sucks.

Then keep your PS4 and buy the PS5 when that releases. You are not forced to get the midgen upgrade console.

 

[Paracelsus]

The games would be the same on PS4, regardless. But if it really bothers you that someone else has a better version then trade up and upgrade. Me? I am happy with the PS4 and plan to get a good run with it just as I originally planned to. I don't give a shit if Joe, Bob and Bill are running the same games a bit better. I will upgrade when I am ready and take my games with me. Good stuff.

Oh, the classic "What's the matter? Just bend over" conniving attitude. And you dare calling them insecure?

 

[onQ123]

With all this 4K gaming I'm starting to think it's simply a better upscaler chip for native 4K tvs to make 1080p games look a bit better with the new model.

That's my assumption too. If it was truly native 4K,it would likely require much more than what's being rumored.

Native 4K gaming sounds like PS5 territory. This thing sounds like a stopgap to support the push of 4K tvs and bluray. But I guess we have to wait and see.

Not upscale but up-rendering

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I think Sony has to be careful with that. If you can't play old games with better graphics on the new PS4 version, even with better hardware, they are at a pretty big disadvantage compared to PC. Because on PC I can play all old games with higher resolution and higher framerates.

 

[SerTapTap]

How on earth is buying a upgraded system anything like PC gaming?

Obviously PC gaming is all about spending money, not having choices.

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

I would actually go buy a 4K TV if this is the case.

 

[rjinaz]

There will be games that will function less than optimally on PS4 and games that don't take full advantage of the PS4.5. Basically it's the same as having an old/new graphics card in your PC. Old GPU will run games like shit, new GPU will run them better but will never be used to it's full potential.

It negates the main advantage of consoles, which is a stream of good games across 5-6 years that get better and better until next gen arrives.

I mean I kind of get your point, but I really don't think this changes because 4.5 exists. Nobody HAS to upgrade, they can play the same games. The only difference is, some people that were willing to fork over more money are having better performance and 4k.

I mean I want this. I have a 4k tv. If somebody doesn't want this cool. Pretend it doesn't exist if you must. Why do people want others to not enjoy something because they don't want it.

 

[TetraGenesis]

MS and Sony appear to be going the route of phones and tablets for their respective consoles and upgrades. GAF is rioting.

That was more rhetorical, but I appreciate the answer. You're sure as hell not wrong. Hahaha

 

[GamerMax73]

People dont understand how expensive the jump to 4k is. Why skip over 1440p?

And for the artist....are they going to be designing their art asset for 4k? If so how expensive will this be for game development?

I never for second thought a 2019-20 PS5 would be 4k30 native. I'd have assumed upscaling from a lower res, with full 4k coming a little further down the line.

No it's not. You don't have to worry about compatibility issues like PC. All games that run on ps4.5 will run on ps4 until ps5 hits the market. Ps4.5 will just run them better. You can totally ignore the half step console until the ps5 hits unless you can't stand the thought others are playing the same games with better performance.

And all PS4/4.5 games should run at their best available setting on PS5, no? And then PS5.5 will drop support for PS4.5?

--

Sony - "AMD can we have an uprated version of our APU based on your latest CPU and GPU core tech? Maybe up the clock speed up a tad? It'd be fully backwards compatible, our existing OS will run - right?"

AMD - "Sure, when do you want it?"

Sony - "How about now. Will put in a new remodeled PS4 with HDMI 2.0"

--
Sony - "Devs - We'll only green light games if they are playable on PS4, but you can use advanced PS4.5 features if you want (auto detect/in game option)"

Job done.

 

[ironcreed]

it's not about how someone else enjoys the game. I mentioned this in the other thread. as of right now, there are others already having advantages over me with bigger TVs, maybe even 4Ktvs. that may not change the hardware of the console but that still enhances the console gaming experience.

so for me, knowing that I'm playing a game which has an existing-better version will be annoying me because it's always been the one option for playing the game I've always had.

If it bothers you that bad, then I don't know what to tell you, man. All I know is that your PS4 will still get all of the games and PS4 will still be just as capable as it is now. If others want to go out and fork over even more money for an upgraded system already, then more power to them. I am just not ready for that yet and will thankfully be able to continue getting life out these systems like I originally planned to.

 

[wapplew]

I mean I kind of get your point, but I really don't think this changes because 4.5 exists. Nobody HAS to upgrade, they can play the same games. The only difference is, some people that were willing to fork over more money are having better performance and 4k.

I mean I want this. I have a 4k tv. If somebody doesn't want this cool. Pretend it doesn't exist if you must. Why do people want others to not enjoy something because they don't want it.

Yes, you can have your 4K PS4 games, but if they apply this concept going forward, everyone get screw, because we'll be stuck with cross gen game forever.