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Fire TV 2014 to Fire TV 2015 now has 4K

PS4 can output 4K already. The rumor has it all out rendering games at 4K and that's bonkers tbh. That's hard for most PC players currently and consoles have trouble hitting 1080p on many games, so if anything it would jump to 12xxp or something.

 

[MogCakes]

This is how free markets work.

That would first require consoles becoming attractive enough to enter, in which case good luck to consoles, because they have a celestial ladder to climb to get there. Nvidia has long established it has no desire to work with console manufacturers and sees them as redundant. OG Xbox was the last time they worked with one, and that apparently didn't end well.

And the way you get to a platform strategy is using low cost, standardized architectures.

This is something nobody is against. It has been known Sony and MS will likely keep this architecture going forward for full BC since the console reveals. What people object to is a refresh as frequent as 3 years. It's at this point that PC looks more attractive for the investment.

 

[teh_pwn]

PS4 can output 4K already. The rumor has it all out rendering games at 4K and that's bonkers tbh. That's hard for most PC players currently and consoles have trouble hitting 1080p on many games, so if anything it would jump to 12xxp or something.

A lot of PC GPUs can output 4K, it's just people aren't willing to lower a lot of settings to get there at a decent framerate. Even though I have a GTX 980 OC, I still use my 1080p TV because knowing that a high quality 4K TV would cost $2-3k AND I'd have to lower settings deters me from upgrading.

 

[RoboPlato]

I really wish someone at Kotaku would clarify what the spec difference and goals are for this machine.

 

[Lumberjackson]

That would first require consoles becoming attractive enough to enter, in which case good luck to consoles, because they have a celestial ladder to climb to get there. Nvidia has long established it has no desire to work with console manufacturers and sees them as redundant. OG Xbox was the last time they worked with one, and that apparently didn't end well.

This might not be entirely correct.

 

[GameAddict411]

Rendering games smoothly at 4k is not easy even on the best hardware available on PC today. I doubt the PS4.5 or whatever will be able to achieve this with $400 price tag later this year.

 

[DOWN]

A lot of PC GPUs can output 4K, it's just people aren't willing to lower a lot of settings to get there at a decent framerate. Even though I have a GTX 980 OC, I still use my 1080p TV because knowing that a high quality 4K TV would cost $2-3k AND I'd have to lower settings deters me from upgrading.

They ain't gonna start making 4K games that look uglier than the 1080 versions just over the resolution. Consoles are not about that upgrade-and-tradeoff PC flexibility.

 

[duhmetree]

8 core Zen APU w/dual GPU 8GB HMB?

Plz

 

[gofreak]

PS4 can output 4K already. The rumor has it all out rendering games at 4K and that's bonkers tbh. That's hard for most PC players currently and consoles have trouble hitting 1080p on many games, so if anything it would jump to 12xxp or something.

Is the issue bandwidth? Could a mid range GPU coupled to a BIg hbm2 pipe do better here than the mid range of today? Sony has always had a thing for bandwidth; if a ps4.5 is coming it wouldn't be entirely surprising if it's timed to take advantage of new memory tech that's on the horizon.

 

[onQ123]

Now that I think about it PS4 has 2 chips & the upgrade might just be the secondary chip so that it can play tablet like games in 4K lol



This will be so funny if this is what it is & everybody was flipping out over nothing.


VitaTV returns in 4K lol,

 

[DeepEnigma]

“has“. There is a difference in being able to output a 4k image and to render a 4k image.

What is the point of this post in context to the question and response he gave in his post?

Now that I think about it PS4 has 2 chips & the upgrade might just be the secondary chip so that it can play tablet like games in 4K lol

This will be so funny if this is what it is & everybody was flipping out over nothing.

VitaTV returns in 4K lol,

I said that earlier in this discussion a couple of days ago.

Watch it be an update to run Android Play or Android Play like games and Indies, lol.

And the 'announcement' will just be a new 'slim' model, with maybe the breakout box included (hence they are reluctant to announce the PSVR stand alone in the US yet), and marketing/PR focus on the 4K addition, with a, 'do not worry existing owners, it will be updated via firmware'.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Now that I think about it PS4 has 2 chips & the upgrade might just be the secondary chip so that it can play tablet like games in 4K lol



This will be so funny if this is what it is & everybody was flipping out over nothing.


VitaTV returns in 4K lol,

?

The PS4 is a single chip APU. The secondary chip is for background/download tasks isn't it?

 

[DOWN]

Is the issue bandwidth? Could a mid range GPU coupled to a BIg hbm2 pipe do better here than the mid range of today? Sony has always had a thing for bandwidth; if a ps4.5 is coming it wouldn't be entirely surprising if it's timed to take advantage of new memory tech that's on the horizon.

PS4 is similar to a PC from 2012 and not a particularly bold one. There's nothing to suggest they will be replacing the current PS4 with a super computer of the future.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Now that I think about it PS4 has 2 chips & the upgrade might just be the secondary chip so that it can play tablet like games in 4K lol



This will be so funny if this is what it is & everybody was flipping out over nothing.


VitaTV returns in 4K lol,

My thoughts as well. If this turns out to be nothing, I'm gonna burn so much.

 

[Markoman]

Wow this thread got huuuge, but the discussion is running in circles. Still those phone comparisons....

Here's my stance: i don't care anymore, i just bought a new PC, because we're 2,5 years into this generation and honestly, the console hardware doesn't really matter at all. As of now, the only game that really justifies my PS4 purchase is Bloodborne.(+Bought a WiiU for Smash and Bayo2 - not going to happen again) My 2nd favourite game of this gen MGSV is also on PC. I turned 40 and I'm a much more conscious gamer nowadays and I don't get hyped by the formulaic AAA titles, so the overall library of both major console is pretty sparse and unvaried imo (not counting indies) at the moment.

But... don't some people in this thread get the simple psychology that some of us will get into a 2nd class citizen mentality if their dedication to console is not strong enough to support this plan? I totally share/understand this sentiment. For example you buy a IPhone primarily for communicating with others (text messages, via phone) or surfing the inet - a newer IPhone model doesn't change things in this regard, because CPUs and GPU in the mobile sector don't affect this core aspect. The quality of text messages and sound quality hasn't changed drastically in the last years. Those who buy the newest Iphones to be able to run some new demanding apps or games...well, we don't know for sure if this is a driving factor behind the constant success of IPhone. Gaming? Totally different...let's say that consumer x will never consider PC gaming and is dedicated to console gaming = 200-250 mio. people last gen. Let's say he's casual, meaning a person with average income who also buys a new phone, TV, car once in a while. He will spend his hard earned money on one console and -until now- lives in some kind of safe bubble 'I have the best console out there and I'm safe for at least 5 years' - now two years down the line a better version is released. Is it so hard to understand that there may be some people who feel bad about having bought a console which has become a 2nd grade console after 2 years? You can't really compare resolution and fps increases to better processor and design specs of phones.

Well, we will see. If things go horribly wrong, customers will act NOT like mobile phone customers, meaning they will learn to wait, getting most value for their bucks, thus no more day one launch hype, which is a disaster for a front-loaded industry like the gaming industry. If the majority accepts this new launch-schedule, we're ok, but I can see lots of former console only gamers going PC, because they will learn about the technical buzz-words once they they are asking themselves 'what's different in PS4.5?' and when they start doing the math: 3 consoles á 400€ in 6 years= 1200€ (if they want to be on top of their game) and every friggin iteration will still be weaker than a above mid-range PC.

Edit: LOL, I have found a good example concerning the whole 'having more options' topic: You and a girl have survived a plane crash and you find yourself on a deserted island.
The girl by your normal standards (living in city with lots of options an opportunities) is OK. In this case it is way easier to commit to this woman than under your normal living conditions and saying something like 'you are the most beautiful woman in this world' is not that hard. You may engage in a island marriage ritual and you arrange yourself with the conditions given in that situation. Now that situation changes...it turn out that another girl has survived the plane crash and she's 10/10 material going by your past and present living conditions. How do you feel now?

 

[RoboPlato]

Now that I think about it PS4 has 2 chips & the upgrade might just be the secondary chip so that it can play tablet like games in 4K lol



This will be so funny if this is what it is & everybody was flipping out over nothing.


VitaTV returns in 4K lol,

I'm still guessing the spec difference will just be some small improvements to the CPU/GPU clocks through improvements to cooling and downsizing with an HDMI 2.2 spec and 4k upscaling for games and newer SATA drives and wi-fi.

 

[MogCakes]

This might not be entirely correct.

It probably isn't. That stands out to me as the last time Nvidia was heavily involved with console gaming. Perhaps someone could correct me on that.

This will be so funny if this is what it is & everybody was flipping out over nothing.


VitaTV returns in 4K lol,

I think it was more the collective realization that this is a likely future with all of the big three that's caused this to be 140+ pages.

 

[El_Chino]

I really wish someone at Kotaku would clarify what the spec difference and goals are for this machine.

I'm sure they're trying to find that out as we speak

 

[MORT1S]

It probably isn't. That stands out to me as the last time Nvidia was heavily involved with console gaming. Perhaps someone could correct me on that

PS3's GPU, RSX was an Nvidia part

 

[MogCakes]

PS3's GPU, RSX was an Nvidia part

That's surprising indeed.

 

[RaijinFY]

PS4 can output 4K already. The rumor has it all out rendering games at 4K and that's bonkers tbh. That's hard for most PC players currently and consoles have trouble hitting 1080p on many games, so if anything it would jump to 12xxp or something.

Ain't that many games (at least on PS4) not hitting 1080p... Don't exagerate.

 

[Negotiator]

1k would probably get you a system with the AMD 16nm FinFET equivalent of a 980 ti, quite possibly in excess of that even after all the adjustments to power and cool such a system.

We're talking about a 300W,

Spoiler

YLODv2-ready

console, right?

I'm not sure I would want that sitting on my desk...

 

[onQ123]

?

The PS4 is a single chip APU. The secondary chip is for background/download tasks isn't it?

Yes but Sony has a chip in their 4K TVs for Android TV & that play games


Sony 4K TV With Android TV UI


Sony android tv gaming review asphalt 8

 

[manny10032]

I am in if true

 

[driver116]

You obviously didn't read his post then....

Along with the PS2 phat example, what he said was clearly untrue.

PS2 being an exception. The early adopters remark holds water.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Yes but Sony has a chip in their 4K TVs for Android TV & that play games


Sony 4K TV With Android TV UI


Sony android tv gaming review asphalt 8

Oh right. I can't see how that could get mixed up by developers at GDC and be described as PS4.5.

 

[bitbydeath]

Oh right. I can't see how that could get mixed up by developers at GDC and be described as PS4.5.

Lost in translation, it is actually 4.05

 

[MogCakes]

PS2 being an exception. The early adopters remark holds water.

Can you expand on this and provide other examples supporting PS2/PS3 being exceptions?

 

[driver116]

Can you expand on this and provide other examples supporting PS2/PS3 being exceptions?

Every console is most expensive when it launches.

 

[MogCakes]

Every console is most expensive when it launches.

I'm not seeing how that translates to early adopters getting the worst deal when they know the feature set they're signing up for, nor how that would support the rest of his argument.

 

[onQ123]

“has“. There is a difference in being able to output a 4k image and to render a 4k image.

My post was in response to someone asking if there was a console refresh that received a spec upgrade.

Unless you can point to an example of a console refresh that has the bumped specs that people are speculating about here, this doesn't hold much merit. This is no mere slim version if rumor is true.

 

[mrklaw]

Wow this thread got huuuge, but the discussion is running in circles. Still those phone comparisons....

Here's my stance: i don't care anymore, i just bought a new PC, because we're 2,5 years into this generation and honestly, the console hardware doesn't really matter at all. As of now, the only game that really justifies my PS4 purchase is Bloodborne.(+Bought a WiiU for Smash and Bayo2 - not going to happen again) My 2nd favourite game of this gen MGSV is also on PC. I turned 40 and I'm a much more conscious gamer nowadays and I don't get hyped by the formulaic AAA titles, so the overall library of both major console is pretty sparse and unvaried imo (not counting indies) at the moment.

But... don't some people in this thread get the simple psychology that some of us will get into a 2nd class citizen mentality if their dedication to console is not strong enough to support this plan? I totally share/understand this sentiment. For example you buy a IPhone primarily for communicating with others (text messages, via phone) or surfing the inet - a newer IPhone model doesn't change things in this regard, because CPUs and GPU in the mobile sector don't affect this core aspect. The quality of text messages and sound quality hasn't changed drastically in the last years. Those who buy the newest Iphones to be able to run some new demanding apps or games...well, we don't know for sure if this is a driving factor behind the constant success of IPhone. Gaming? Totally different...let's say that consumer x will never consider PC gaming and is dedicated to console gaming = 200-250 mio. people last gen. Let's say he's casual, meaning a person with average income who also buys a new phone, TV, car once in a while. He will spend his hard earned money on one console and -until now- lives in some kind of safe bubble 'I have the best console out there and I'm safe for at least 5 years' - now two years down the line a better version is released. Is it so hard to understand that there may be some people who feel bad about having bought a console which has become a 2nd grade console after 2 years? You can't really compare resolution and fps increases to better processor and design specs of phones.

Well, we will see. If things go horribly wrong, customers will act NOT like mobile phone customers, meaning they will learn to wait, getting most value for their bucks, thus no more day one launch hype, which is a disaster for a front-loaded industry like the gaming industry. If the majority accepts this new launch-schedule, we're ok, but I can see lots of former console only gamers going PC, because they will learn about the technical buzz-words once they they are asking themselves 'what's different in PS4.5?' and when they start doing the math: 3 consoles á 400€ in 6 years= 1200€ (if they want to be on top of their game) and every friggin iteration will still be weaker than a above mid-range PC.

Edit: LOL, I have found a good example concerning the whole 'having more options' topic: You and a girl have survived a plane crash and you find yourself on a deserted island.
The girl by your normal standards (living in city with lots of options an opportunities) is OK. In this case it is way easier to commit to this woman than under your normal living conditions and saying something like 'you are the most beautiful woman in this world' is not that hard. You may engage in a island marriage ritual and you arrange yourself with the conditions given in that situation. Now that situation changes...it turn out that another girl has survived the plane crash and she's 10/10 material going by your past and present living conditions. How do you feel now?

You bought a PC. Don't you feel like a second class citizen compared to those with a more powerful PC than you?

 

[MogCakes]

My post was in response to someone asking if there was a console refresh that received a spec upgrade.

I don't know much about the Fire TV. I didn't know it played games.

You bought a PC. Don't you feel like a second class citizen compared to those with a more powerful PC than you?

Different expectations on PC. You know going in that the rig you get is dependent on the budget you allocate. Consoles, up until now, have not had to deal with that.

 

[onQ123]

Oh right. I can't see how that could get mixed up by developers at GDC and be described as PS4.5.

Maybe they don't want to let the cat out of the bag that Google bought PlayStation

 

[dodgykebaab]

I can't believe how long this topic has ran with people actually thinking it could be true!

1) It's a Kotaku lie to generate ad revenue before they die.

2) People begged for a PSP with dual sticks and Sony refused because they know hardware revisions with different set ups split the user base.

TL'DR: Kotaku made it all up for click bait.

 

[mrklaw]

I don't know much about the Fire TV. I didn't know it played games.



Different expectations on PC. You know going in that the rig you get is dependent on the budget you allocate. Consoles, up until now, have not had to deal with that.

Right. So I can understand some concern, but people will adapt. Some may even like the options it provides.

Not quite sure I can understand the explosion that is this thread though

 

[Neuromancer]

I really wish someone at Kotaku would clarify what the spec difference and goals are for this machine.

Shouldn't be too hard considering there is a prototype and documentation.

 

[spwolf]

?

The PS4 is a single chip APU. The secondary chip is for background/download tasks isn't it?

yes, rest of it is really a lot of nonsense... not sure why do people need to speculate on nonsense.

 

[AmyS]

I don't think the cost of doing the same PS4 graphics at native 4K would be so terrible in terms of hardware manufacturing and retail price in 2017. What would make it cost a lot is going beyond PS4 level graphics at 4K. But then, that's what a PS5 would be for in 2020 or 2021, using 10nm or 7nm chip technology and much more advanced (but compatible) CPU/GPU/APU architecture.

If this is happening, I don't think the intention would be to go beyond the same PS4 graphics we have today anyway. Framerates are another thing entirely.

I do now think there's a good chance this rumor is real, but even if it's real, Sony would then have to make the decision to go forward with PS4K, or not.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I am in if true

Me too, but just because I don't have to check my balance before I buy it, I guess. Still think it's a stupid idea, though.

 

[CosmicQueso]

I can't believe how long this topic has ran with people actually thinking it could be true!

1) It's a Kotaku lie to generate ad revenue before they die.

2) People begged for a PSP with dual sticks and Sony refused because they know hardware revisions with different set ups split the user base.

TL'DR: Kotaku made it all up for click bait.

You. I like you. Tell me more.

 

[RoboPlato]

Shouldn't be too hard considering there is a prototype and documentation.

That's what I figured since they have dev sources. I have to believe that there is a proper plan in place for the current PS4 and if devs aren't furious about this that it's either easy to leverage differences or just plain minimal.

 

[gofreak]

PS4 is similar to a PC from 2012 and not a particularly bold one. There's nothing to suggest they will be replacing the current PS4 with a super computer of the future.

A '2016-mid-range' coupled to HBM would be 'a super computer of the future'...in 2017?

So HBM2 might be a stretch even in 2017 here, but HBM (512GB/s) might get them into a range where they could just about justify talking about 4K PS4 games - from a bandwidth point of view - even if it wouldn't necessarily allow a neat scaling up on paper.

To be honest, though, I don't expect a box that's a neat 4x of PS4 on all GPU fronts would be easy in the 2016-2017 timeframe (in a roughly similar die-size/thermal envelope as the original PS4) - and I guess that's the kind of box you'd need to talk about a general scaling of 1080p PS4 games to 4K. Maybe if 14nm is possible, maybe if HBM2, maybe if the target price is $499 (which I think would be likely, whatever about the other factors..this would be a premium box. I don't think Sony would feel pressure to match the initial PS4 price, given that the PS4 platform entry price will at this point be the price of the existing unit. PS4 @ $249, PS4-B @ $499 would be my bet if this thing swings around in the next 18 months or so).

Anyway, I digress.

 

[Markoman]

You bought a PC. Don't you feel like a second class citizen compared to those with a more powerful PC than you?

No, not at all, because I chose the components to fit my gaming environment and preferences and the overall state of game development at the moment:

1. I'm gaming on my Full HD TV, so 4K is not a priority - on PC I have the choice between putting da power towards resolution or graphics FX or FPS - on consoles I don't (TLOU rem. being the only exception).

2. I chose a GTX970 because a 980Ti won't do so much for me atm. GTX970 is the overall better performance per buck atm for me. Quite the opposite: using a 980Ti in my setup is like driving a Lambo through a traffic jam, lol. When I buy a new 4K TV in a year or so, I will get a GFX upgrade that will support the new gaming environment and it won't cost me 650$ at that time.

3. The GTX970 will let me play most of the new releases I'm interested in @1080,60 FPS right now: Deus Ex, Dishonored, Mount&Blade 2, Total War Warhammer, Shadow Warrior 2, Doom and so on. And I can still turn down the settings to accomplish my goal. In two years those games will still look better on my PC than on PS4X/XboxOneX.

4. Without a PC, being a one console only user (the majority) - the only option you have is going with the plan or sticking with lesser quality, because let me be clear about this: 60 fps are essential to me (WiiU's fault, haha). I know this sounds weird, but buying Uncharted 4 this may and playing it @1080, 30 FPS is bearable, because there is no other option RIGHT NOW, that's what I can accept. And I'm not the biggest Uncharted fan, so I can live with the outlook that it may be playable with 60 fps on a winter 2016 PS4,5. Fortunately, there is no exclusive atm that really challenges this thought process. But if Nier Automata runs 1080,30fps on PS4 and 1080,60fps on PS4.5 I will loose my shit and sell the damn thing and won't look back. Eventually I will pick up a used PS4.6 later down the line with all PS exclusives.

 

[mrklaw]

That's what I figured since they have dev sources. I have to believe that there is a proper plan in place for the current PS4 and if devs aren't furious about this that it's either easy to leverage differences or just plain minimal.

If Kotaku have concrete details it should at least be possible to clarify some of the fundamental questions, like how the developers feel about it, and whether this is meant for all games to be upgraded or only less performance intensive ones.

 

[onQ123]

I don't know much about the Fire TV. I didn't know it played games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As2n07fea90

 

[mrklaw]

No, not at all, because I chose the components to fit my gaming environment and preferences and the overall state of game development at the moment:

1. I'm gaming on my Full HD TV, so 4K is not a priority - on PC I have the choice between putting da power towards resolution or graphics FX or FPS - on consoles I don't (TLOU rem. being the only exception).

2. I chose a GTX970 because a 980Ti won't do so much for me atm. GTX970 is the overall better performance per buck atm for me. Quite the opposite: using a 980Ti in my setup is like driving a Lambo through a traffic jam, lol. When I buy a new 4K TV in a year or so, I will get a GFX upgrade that will support the new gaming environment and it won't cost me 650$ at that time.

3. The GTX970 will let me play most of the new releases I'm interested in @1080,60 FPS right now: Deus Ex, Dishonored, Mount&Blade 2, Total War Warhammer, Shadow Warrior 2, Doom and so on. And I can still turn down the settings to accomplish my goal. In two years those games will still look better on my PC than on PS4X/XboxOneX.

4. Without a PC, being a one console only user (the majority) - the only option you have is going with the plan or sticking with lesser quality, because let me be clear about this: 60 fps are essential to me (WiiU's fault, haha). I know this sounds weird, but buying Uncharted 4 this may and playing it @1080, 30 FPS is bearable, because there is no other option RIGHT NOW, that's what I can accept. And I'm not the biggest Uncharted fan, so I can live with the outlook that it may be playable with 60 fps on a winter 2016 PS4,5. Fortunately, there is no exclusive atm that really challenges this thought process. But if Nier Automata runs 1080,30fps on PS4 and 1080,60fps on PS4.5 I will loose my shit and sell the damn thing and won't look back. Eventually I will pick up a used PS4.6 later down the line with all PS exclusives.

So you made informed choices about which technology to buy, based on your needs and priorities, and available budget?

Which is surely something similar to this proposal for Ps4.5 isn't it?

 

[spwolf]

No, not at all, because I chose the components to fit my gaming environment and preferences and the overall state of game development at the moment:

1. I'm gaming on my Full HD TV, so 4K is not a priority - on PC I have the choice between putting da power towards resolution or graphics FX or FPS - on consoles I don't (TLOU rem. being the only exception).

2. I chose a GTX970 because a 980Ti won't do so much for me atm. GTX970 is the overall better performance per buck atm for me. Quite the opposite: using a 980Ti in my setup is like driving a Lambo through a traffic jam, lol. When I buy a new 4K TV in a year or so, I will get a GFX upgrade that will support the new gaming environment and it won't cost me 650$ at that time.

3. The GTX970 will let me play most of the new releases I'm interested in @1080,60 FPS right now: Deus Ex, Dishonored, Mount&Blade 2, Total War Warhammer, Shadow Warrior 2, Doom and so on. And I can still turn down the settings to accomplish my goal. In two years those games will still look better on my PC than on PS4X/XboxOneX.

4. Without a PC, being a one console only user (the majority) - the only option you have is going with the plan or sticking with lesser quality, because let me be clear about this: 60 fps are essential to me (WiiU's fault, haha). I know this sounds weird, but buying Uncharted 4 this may and playing it @1080, 30 FPS is bearable, because there is no other option RIGHT NOW, that's what I can accept. And I'm not the biggest Uncharted fan, so I can live with the outlook that it may be playable with 60 fps on a winter 2016 PS4,5. Fortunately, there is no exclusive atm that really challenges this thought process. But if Nier Automata runs 1080,30fps on PS4 and 1080,60fps on PS4.5 I will loose my shit and sell the damn thing and won't look back. Eventually I will pick up a used PS4.6 later down the line with all PS exclusives.

a lot of special cases just for console, in this case PS4.

Your problem with PS4.5 is not that PS4 is bad, no it is enough for you because you dont use it much, but the problem is that someone else can play PS4 game at better fps.

At the same time, you game on your PC and it is very important to you (unlike PS4) but you dont care if someone plays PC games at 8K resolution and 120fps - thats fine who cares you are happy with what you got.

Cool beans.


I am looking fwd to threads if Sony does not do this but MS does... how many people here will end up upgrading to XB1.5... especially those that did not invest into PS4 ecosystem already or at least not heavily.

 

[FrozenCell]

if its only for 4k and vr that is fine.

 

[MogCakes]

Right. So I can understand some concern, but people will adapt. Some may even like the options it provides.

Not quite sure I can understand the explosion that is this thread though

Another possibility is they begin to compare costs between upgrading/buying a PC rig or buying another console iteration and making value judgments on which investment is better for them.