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[butman]

I can't believe that we are talking about a possible PS4K like nothing.

 

[RPGamer92]

So will this benefit older games? e.g. will Bloodborne play at 60 FPS now?

 

[Kralamoonard]

I don't think people have any idea how market realities will embrace these kinds of products, despite how we've seen these things change.

A newer, higher end ps4 lowering the cost of entry for the base model will only create new access for different consumers. This community is very niche and insular and very reactionary to things, tends to hype itself both negatively and positively.

If all this info is true, it means we'll have a new paradigm for consoles, and we'll babe to see how it affects then going forward, but it's also the first time we'd have the exact same architecture being shared between these models for mass development.

I'd rather wait and let Sony demonstrate what they're going to do and how they'll pull it off, and what that will mean going forward.

Instead of, you know, losing my Damn mind and exploding with preposterous statements.

QFT.

 

[SmiteOfHand]

A newer, higher end ps4 lowering the cost of entry for the base model will only create new access for different consumers. This community is very niche and insular and very reactionary to things, tends to hype itself both negatively and positively.

This is important.

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

Where are we at?

A combination of 3 and 7. "I'm pissed, but I called it and I will not buy Sony consoles in the future." (again, assuming this is true)

 

[sleepykyo]

Significant sacrifices to performance ... looks like I'm staying pc exclusive this gen.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

I posted earlier in this thread about the relative performance of a GPU with twice the performance of the current PS4 GPU. A couple of users corrected me and correctly showed that in terms of computational power it would be roughly in the ballpark of a GTX 970. Having a GTX 970 I decided to see what gaming at 4K would be like, already expecting performance to be poor. Attempting to play The Witcher 3 DSR'd from 4K to 1080p at the lowest settings barely gave me 30 FPS. I hope that gives some people an idea of the type of GPU you need for 4K. I don't even know if 14nm and AMD's new Polaris architecture would allow them to fit a GPU of the 970s complexity in an APU. Does anyone have an idea if that possible given the numerous constraints a console has.

 

[AZUMIKE]

I'm pretty sure they'll be pushing deals hard on this. I would wait on it if you're not in a rush. $200 isn't bad at all though.

They are still giving out $150 credit for a 360/PS4 to upgrade to a new console at Gamestop when deals happen.

Idk, I think its a slim chance that Gamestop (or any other outlet) gives $200 for a PS4 that could very well drop in price.

 

[Avenger54321]

Well, if its true, looks like I'm going to have 2 PS4s in the future. I really hope this is the only gen that does this. If this happens in the PS5 gen, I'm going full PC.

 

[The Last One]

We're still a year away of this? If this is true, I don't expect it to be at E3.

 

[SlickShoes]

If this is true and they want me to upgrade my console like my phone then sell me a montly payment contract where I get the console and PS+ for a set price per month, when the new console comes out I send my old one back and get the new one. Let's say £15 a month over 3 years.

 

[Calabi]

2x the PS4 GPU is about a GTX 970 level, right? 4K gaming on a 970 is unacceptable imo, but perhaps with optimization it would run better?

Are they really going to target 4k resolutions for gaming though? When a minority of people have TV's at that resolution and not even the PSVR goes to that resolution.

 

[Hermii]

I am slightly pissed about this. I feel like the potential of the OG PS4 hasn't even come close to being reached yet (ok maybe its close with Uncharted 4) and I got my PS4 less than 1.5 years ago. I dont want it to be obsolete just yet. Knowing I get gimped versions of games if I dont upgrade sucks.

I miss the days when console gens lasted for a while.

 

[RowdyReverb]

The bigger news for me is there's finally going to be tangible reasons to buy a 4K TV

 

[coastel]

Said earlier in another thread I would buy this if it's 2 x more powerful and it is. Day mother fucking 1

Spoiler

if it is true and I'm hopeful it is

 

[Portugeezer]

So will this benefit older games? e.g. will Bloodborne play at 60 FPS now?

Read OP, it says no. If developers want to go back to their old games and release a patch (99% of them won't) then sure, why not.

 

[RoboPlato]

Late Q1 sounds suspiciously like a launch to coincide with GoW's typical March release.

 

[capitalCORN]

PC gaming is DEAD!

 

[Joelstinton14]

Iterative hardware is likely to be Nintendo's strategy as well going forward.

It seems like it. It be nice to be told beforehand this is going to be the case though.

 

[Obliterator]

2x GPU as PS4? I call BS. That's quite a limiting factor now (that is the current PS4).

Also 2x GPU of PS4, likely won't get you any good 4k gaming lol

If this is true, you better call it PS5.

A 2x power increase on the GPU is nowhere near comparable to a generational console jump. Not even close. They are typically in the 8x-10x range

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

So fucking lame, early adopters get shit on AGAIN

4 years worth of early adopting?

 

[Deadstar]

I actually bought a gaming PC a few months ago. I went to the gaming PC OT, had a kind gaffer pick out the parts for my budget, ordered the parts off a website and paid them only $50 to send it to me all built and ready to go. It cost me about $900 CAD in total but that was the budget that I chose at the start since I wanted something that would last.

Now that I have this PC that can already shit out noticeably better graphics than my PS4 (max graphics in the Battlefront beta), I can probably upgrade it to PS5 for about the cost of a PS4K. This is because it is far cheaper to upgrade what you have than to buy a completely new box.

PC gaming with those PC building sites and Steam has never been so accessible. Steam sales and PC games are also far cheaper than their console counterparts. However, I still have a few issues before I make PC my main plat. The main issue is, like you said, that console experience that many of us love. To achieve that, I must purchase a Steam controller ($60) and probably Steam Link ($60) to stream it to my TV (or just move my PC to my TV).

These might be insurmountable barriers for some but they aren't for me. When I say that I am going PC next gen, I mean it. I have already laid out the groundwork for my transition.

Definitely! Steam link is really cool and I recommend it to anyone who wants the console experience but with better graphics. They've put out a lot of updates for it and for me even on wireless it runs pretty well. I can't really notice any graphical downgrades but I think it's because I'm sitting so far away. I believe you can plug a wired 360 controller into the steam link but I'm not totally sure on that.

 

[MikeE21286]

I'm thinking that a lot of this (PS4K and XB1.5) comes from mobile.

Copying the iterative business models and pre-emptive response to that market stealing customers from consoles

 

[Kralamoonard]

Yeah I only saw the late Q1 2017 thing now. I suspect Battlefield 5 will still take advantage of it because of how long the service tail on the game is, maybe as a later patch.

Wait why as a later patch? Surely the BF5 disc put into the PS4K will already have the better bells and whistles? As in DICE could already prepare themselves for when PS4K launches? I think I'm misunderstanding something, right?

 

[TimeEffect]

2017 eh?

Wonder how this will affect PS4 sales for the rest of the year.

Wonder if Sony will announce a price drop to clear units

 

[Loris146]

We're still a year away of this? If this is true, I don't expect to be at E3.

Yeah if the date is true no way Sony will' announce it at this E3.

 

[geordiemp]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about console culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like Gamefaqs where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on console upgrades, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is GAF users, after reading this thread, are not going to want to to buy any of Sony's consoles again, nor will they anticipate any remasters. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire culture with this move.

Sony, publicly apologize and cancel all plans for the PS4K or you can kiss your success goodbye.

Well, Nintendo have already started doing this (N3dS) and will continue with this path by the noises they have made (ios like platform).

Microsoft have said they are doing this, and PC do this every month.

So thats everyone. Unless your suggesting that SONY should be the only company NOT to do this platform strategy ?.

 

[eyeball_kid]

In your universe the +30/40 millions users of "OG" PS4 are less important for the developers than the few millions that'll have a "PS4K". Not very likely, you could argue just the opposite.

We don't know Sony's planned lifespan for the PS4K, but it's safe to guess it'll be at least three years, so it could gain significant market share over time. And if devs can charge more for PS4K games, they have an incentive to spend more time there. Also, some issues may just come down to "we built engine to provide PS4K features, and it's not scaling down that well to PS4 level as we thought".

 

[thuway]

Late Q1 sounds suspiciously like a launch to coincide with GoW's typical March release.

Timing is all sorts of fucked especially if Sony announces this at E3. They will force Microsoft's hand as well. It could be a E3 where MS, Sony, and Nintendo all announce new hardware.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

This will backfire hiddeously for them.

 

[Summer Haze]

Thanks for telling me how to feel about this....not.
This gen for me is pretty underwhelming so far, not because of PS4'S specs but because
it's just open world drawing by numbers, MP heavy/only games and lots of walking sims, delays and shitty optimization at release. Nothing exciting that really justifies my day one purchase. I'll take it like a man "yeah, it was my own fault to jump in early". Not going to happen again and let's see how this will work for Sony when many others do the same thing.

They can throw 5 consoles with 10x the power at me and this won't change. I went back to PC just recently because I reignited my love for strategy and sim-games. Don't care for collectathons at 4K.

Huh? I didn't. I said I think early adopters would be the happiest about this news, and if I was one of the people who waited to buy a PS4 now I'd be much more pissed. Then I asked if your original comment implied that you have yet to buy a PS4.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

So fucking lame, early adopters get shit on AGAIN

I dont like this change...but no this i wont agree with. Early adopters know what they get into. Now for people who want psvr...THEY are getting shat on right now

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

So fucking lame, early adopters get shit on AGAIN

What? You got to enjoy the console and it's full potential. Do you think they purposely released a gimped console?

 

[SeanR1221]

developers already show off all their games on fancy PC's ... how will this change at all? they are already down-porting to ps4 , they just won't have to "down" quite as far now.

and we still have digital foundry

Sony shows off games on the PC? 🤔

 

[RocketRacoon]

It'll have to be a same games but less juice scenario, Sony can't possibly alienate the insane amount of PS4 users currently, for an extremely small amount of double-dippers.

 

[mckmas8808]

I just dont buy that GOW4 and Deep Down is coming this year.

So basically this is coming out next Spring or Summer then right?

 

[RealityCheque]

So if you were an early adopter that's €400 on Day 1 for a PS4 then potentially another €500 for PS4k so thats €900 within 3 years.

My pc cost about the same and it will remain more powerful than the new Playstation with more versatility and a bigger and cheaper library of games. And I anticipate that it will have a longer life than 3 years.

If Sony and MS are insistent on adopting this model it's going to make a lot of console gamers start taking a very serious look at the PC. Consoles are about to lose cost as one of their advantages.

 

[Kralamoonard]

Late Q1 sounds suspiciously like a launch to coincide with GoW's typical March release.

Yep and GoW IV was said to be a launch title, harnessing the power of the new system and a visual showcase.

 

[Obliterator]

I don't think people have any idea how market realities will embrace these kinds of products, despite how we've seen these things change.

A newer, higher end ps4 lowering the cost of entry for the base model will only create new access for different consumers. This community is very niche and insular and very reactionary to things, tends to hype itself both negatively and positively.

If all this info is true, it means we'll have a new paradigm for consoles, and we'll babe to see how it affects then going forward, but it's also the first time we'd have the exact same architecture being shared between these models for mass development.

I'd rather wait and let Sony demonstrate what they're going to do and how they'll pull it off, and what that will mean going forward.

Instead of, you know, losing my Damn mind and exploding with preposterous statements.

You're on a roll today in this thread. Good on ya

 

[Mr Rivuz]

Well, if its true, looks like I'm going to have 2 PS4s in the future. I really hope this is the only gen that does this. If this happens in the PS5 gen, I'm going full PC.

When ps5 gen will arrive, i think a lot of people will be waiting before getting one.
I at least won't buy that for sure on day one like i did with the Bloodbornestation sitting on my desk right now.

 

[Scrawnton]

I just keep thinking about this rumor and I am just shocked that there are leaks of a new PS4 hardware that is more powerful than the og PS4 and we still do not have all the games released on PS4 that were announced before the PS4 was even out...

 

[Durante]

This thread is moving too fast, but I'd just like to note that it really doesn't make any sense to take an estimate based on a AMD GPU architecture, use that estimate to multiply the FLOPs of an AMD GPU, and then compare that directly to an NV GPU.

It makes much more sense to compare it to AMD, which would put it at about Radeon 280X level.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance.

Welp, it officially ain't no slim. RIP clear console generations.

As much as I want to cringe about this, only two things stick in my head right now:

1. I generally collect consoles and never sell them. I now have to reevaluate my life
2. Endless schadenfreude washes over me at the thought of FFXV finally launching for a piece of hardware launching at the same time as hardware that it probably should have been built around instead. It's officially now taken so long to come out it's missed two hardware upgrades.

 

[TM94]

Sony to original PS4 owners

 

[thuway]

This will backfire hiddeously for them.

How? There are 40 million PS4's in the world that will most likely culminate into 50 by the end of this year. Those PS4's don't stop working automatically.

 

[daveo42]

So is Q1 the accepted timing now? Holiday 2017 would work better with a subsequent PS4 price drop and new hardware launch. March just feels...weird to me.

 

[Corto]

So fucking lame, early adopters get shit on AGAIN

ALWAYS. You meant to write always.

 

[CosmicQueso]

So fucking lame, early adopters get shit on AGAIN

3 years in to a cycle? No longer early adopters.

Well, Nintendo have already started doing this (N3dS) and will continue with this path by the noises they have made (ios like platform).

Microsoft have said they are doing this, and PC do this every month.

So thats everyone. Unless your suggesting that SONY should be the only company NOT to do this platform strategy ?.

Oh you innocent soul. Cling and embrace that innocence. It shall soon be lost.

 

[Crooked16th]

People couldn't figure out that the Wii U was a new console how are they going to understand what a PS4K is. The public outrage is going to be worse than Xbox One drm fiasco.

 

[Darknight]

So fucking lame, early adopters get shit on AGAIN

No dude. I bought one back in 2013. I want a slim model since my is loud...PS4K fits the bill nicely. Been enjoying games for the past few years and got my money's worth.

........you think Uncharted would be 4k @ 60fps........

come on...

A man can dream...

Uncharted 4K is just too good to be missed by Sony though!!