ReyVGM
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There's another much more logical answer: support for their next handheld, which has a screen.
Why would Nintendo support a 3rd party device when they have their own portable they can use as a second screen?
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There's another much more logical answer: support for their next handheld, which has a screen.
Why would Nintendo support a 3rd party device when they have their own portable they can use as a second screen?
Jorok Goldblade
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That it can output to two screens.
Whether the additional screen is part of the controller, on a smart device, on the next handheld, or a dual monitor setup is completely up in the air, though.
Pokemaniac
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This contradicts a bit with what we know. Most reports seem to suggest that key partners already have kits.
You don't need architectures to be the same to have a shared library. It's more difficult to implement, but a proper implementation would be more future proof.
Parapraxis
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I mean, if that were true, with what?
Yeah I'm inclined to believe this because it sounds just like Nintendo lol.
The two will be as 'unified' as the PS4 and the Vita are, i.e. it'll allow for Nintendo to port between the two more easily and so we'll get situations like Smash Wii U/3DS more frequently and in this scenario Hyrule Warriors might have seen a simultaneous release and when one system is seeing a drought, they'd (Nintendo) would theoretically be able to port games to fill in gaps with minimal work, not zero work and like Smash, the handheld and console games won't be the exact same code but the transition from one to the other would be smoother. Anybody expecting more were fantasizing.
Sammy Samusu
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Second screen = handheld and smartphones.
Etrian Odyssey VI is going to destroy lives.
Etrian Odyssey VI is going to destroy lives.
DragonKnight
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Im inclined to agree. They must really think they are going to set the world on fire with the NX. Only time will tell.
though the question is if 3rd party devs want to go through the trouble
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cyberheater
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If devs are starting to develop for this then they would have a broad idea of it's architecture. Obviously things like clock speeds etc... can and do change but the general specification would be known.
On pc, you can run games also on high res or low res. Disable shadows, ect...
Couldn't ghe same be done on handheld?
Also, handheld doez have a small screen. So they doesn't have to run it in 900p.
Nintendo going to create games that will run on both devices, they mentioned before in a Q/A. One of the issues with wiiu was that they couldn't make enough software for both devices.
They played with the idea already. Smash is a good example. They wanted to also do it first with kid icarus.
SatoAilDarko
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I would rather have a weaker console based on ARM that shared games with the handheld.
I don't see third-parties making a ton of game and those games selling on a Nintendo box no matter how powerful. Also more power just means even longer development times.
I don't see third-parties making a ton of game and those games selling on a Nintendo box no matter how powerful. Also more power just means even longer development times.
Nx is going to be the n64, great first party launch, third parties coming a year later
RIP NX.
Seems like Nintendo repeating their old mistakes.
Dreamwriter
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A company I used to work for worked on a 3DS game before knowing the specs of the device or being given an SDK. We were told to develop it on a PC targeting a specific video card, and told that would be kinda like what the final device was like. Unfortunately, that was one of the many 3DS games that got canceled.
Oh, and I've read a couple things here and Reddit saying individual employees wouldn't be signing NDAs with Nintendo, from my experience that is false. Once my company got the first actual CTR dev kits, the secrecy was super-locked-down. Yes, the people on the team had to sign separate NDAs with Nintendo in addition to the ones they already had with my company (and no that is nor normal, normally it is true that the company has an NDA with Nintendo that filters down to the employee NDAs with the company). They also had to work in a small windowless room that was locked 24 hours a day, even while people were in there, and they were forbidden to talk even with the company executives about the hardware.
Like WiiU when it came out...
Not true. So long as your CPU has performance, the arch doesn't matter.
So it can handle ports of current gen games, huh? I remember it being said that the Wii U could handle ports of Xbox 360 or PS3 multi-platform releases. A smattering of launch titles and a poor Watch Dogs port is all I can remember coming to the console. If Nintendo doesn't muster third party support again it doesn't matter what it can handle.
I think he said devs don't even have an SDK yet.
Seems like you'll believe any rumor.
exactly.
I believe trev's leak, though, which pretty much confirmed a cross platform Zelda release this holiday. just looks like that launch will be light on the third party stuff, as per usual.
This
Also it gives the chance of the handheld having bigger games for once. And the dream of having a console Pokemon at some point. I'd be happy if the next Nintendo console was between the power of the Wii U and Xbox One but based on ARM. Nintendo can get their niche of 3rd party developers the ones that make games for 3DS. We don't need another console that plays the usual suspects like Call of Duty. I already have a PS4 and it would not excite me at all.
That other one (not what's in the OP) is in seriou contrast with what we've heard about NDAs though. Also, we've already seen verified Reddit users (now referring to what's in the OP) aren't as reliable as here on GAF, so...why did we open the thread? And why are we so much believing the second guy right now?
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Building to the lowest common denominator doesn't work that way. You have to build a game that will even run on that handheld. You can't simply turn everything off or set it to low and get Xenoblade Chronicles X to run on 3DS for example, and it will be the same next gen. It's the same limitation with Vita/PS4 games and a crutch as the Vita is weaker than PS3, not even bringing in file size limitations unique to handhelds.
IceDoesntHelp
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Can someone explain what x86 is? Like in relation to power of other consoles, or DBZ characters.
Same. x86 isn't off the table for handhelds, but it's not the best choice either.
Xbox One?
All I hear is:
"No I have the leaks."
"NO I HAVE THE LEAKS."
"YOU'RE A FAKER"
"YOU ARE THE FAKER"
"I'M HIGHER UP AT MY COMPANY I KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO."
Graphics Horse
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I don't think this contradiction is as strong as some like to point out. If they can support 3-4 devices, who is to say the first one out isn't 'a brand new concept'? There are benefits to different types of devices, even if you introdued a hybrid it wouldn't make consoles and (small) dedicated handhelds irrelevant.
Pancake Mix
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Building to the lowest common denominator doesn't work that way. You have to build a game that will even run on that handheld. You can't simply turn everything off or set it to low and get Xenoblade Chronicles X to run on 3DS for example, and it will be the same next gen with hardware-straining games. It's the same limitation with Vita/PS4 games and a crutch as the Vita is weaker than PS3, not even bringing in file size limitations unique to handhelds.
Pokemaniac
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Yeah, this reminds me of a previous reddit thing where they claimed to only agree to part of the NDA. With all the talk of super strict NDAs, it seems very unlikely that devs wouldn't sign one directly with Nintendo.
Pessimism. Honestly I'm more inclined to believe the second guy more than the one in the OP only because it's pretty much the same thing that happend with the Wii U.
OnionPowder
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x86 doesn't necessarily mean power. As far as I know (as a layman) it's just different architecture/instruction set. A better comparison would be that PowerPC is Latin and x86 is English (I think)
Fantastical
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I can not believe people still hold this opinion.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I'm not buying any of these "leaks" anymore.
Will wait for E3.
I still wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the NX at E3.
Will wait for E3.
I still wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the NX at E3.
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Pretty much.
The first leak in the first post is as basic as it could be, the second one is basically a long post of LOL Nintendo, and I'm a more inside insider! and just only negative bullsh*t.
Will NX have better situation than Wii U? Possibly, even Nintendo learns. Will it be perfect? Far from it, but better I'd guess.
Dreamwriter
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It wouldn't make them irrelevant, but Iwata said there would not be a hybrid device. He was very clear on the matter. He said that the shared architecture would allow for more SKUs rather than fewer.
StereoVsn
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x86 is an architecture like ARM is architecture. Something like i7-6700k or Atom X 5 z8550 is a CPU implemented on that architecture. Power goes between a small mobile device like a cellphone to a huge server chip with up to 24 cores.
Right because there's no way a company can learn from past mistakes.
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"Can handle ports of current-gen games" does not mean "backwards compatibility." "x86 architecture" pretty much says it WON'T be backwards compatible, unless Nintendo goes all Microsoft and writes a really good emulator.
I wouldn't bet on that happening...
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