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[StereoVsn]

My assumption is that, if Nintendo went AMD for a console, they'd certainly use an APU like the PS4/XBO. If, hypothetically, Intel was used for the mobile version (which would be pretty weird to me, tbh), what do you propose they do about a GPU? Intel's GPUs aren't terribly competitive, especially at really low wattage, and it'd hurt the supposed "mobile and console as one platform" proposal if the mobile device has a completely different GPU architecture in any case.

Intel GPU is decent enough with the newer Atoms for what it is. Nintendo could also go to a 3rd party for GPU like PowerVR or say Mali. Note PowerVR has been used in Intel designs before I believe.

 

[diaspora]

More likely the NX handheld IMO.

Or both. I doubt you'll be able to use a phone as a controller.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Unless they are going for the emulation route dropping powerpc means no wii u / wii / gc backward compatibilty

I've been expecting that tbh

 

[GustyGardens]

This all sounds good, and because they specifically mention second screen support it leads me to believe that the standard controller is actually a standard controller.

I don't care if this thing has backwards compatibility as I really don't intend on getting rid of my Wii U. I'm more concerned with ease of development for 3rd party developers.

 

[Neoxon]

Judging by the leaked 3DS price cut, 3DS sales decreasing, & major 3DS support from Nintendo starting to wind down (plus one of our own insiders mentioning the resolution of the next handheld), we should expect a new handheld sometime in 2017 either way. The 3DS is really starting to show its age.

If this guy is legit, the handheld is likely under a different codename.

 

[gofreak]

If we assume this is true, the primary implication would be that it's a console instead of a handheld/mobile-esque set top box standing in as a console since those couldn't run ports sufficiently.

It's... yeah there's not too much here overall since I think that was largely implied already.

Yeah, I've been viewing NX through the lens of a home console anyway so it's not a big revelation to me. For a home box this is all very basic stuff. Next this mole will tell us it plugs into standard power outlets...

I think 'we' want to know what it is about this system that makes you go either wow or wtf

Re. the second screen stuff, I hope it's not a main feature (or THE main feature!) again and is simply there for legacy Wii U software compatibility.

 

[RK128]

Stop with the BC! The reddit post does not say that at all!

Well, why else would Second Screen support be included? To help with Wii U BC.

If I'm wrong, I won't be upset at all. Just sharing my thoughts .

 

[Forkball]

This is some safe info, it doesn't really tell us anything interesting. #TeamFake

I'm not believing anyone until E3.

 

[Asd202]

The third parties in mid 2017 thing sounds like it only applies if they started right now. I'm sure some have had dev kits for a while though

This is what an insider on neogaf have said on the matter in the PS4k thread:

Got nothing sorry GAF. Maybe when I get back from my vacation.

On a side note. I still have not spoken to one person in the industry that has a nx kit or is going to support it. That's it. See you in a week.

With the nx I would say more likely TD's have them only to get a feel for how it runs on said company engines. That's pretty typical when it comes to nintendo hw. What I do know is two big mid level pubs currently have no plans to support it. Things change a lot though.

He also mentiond he thinks NX is a handheld only now but yeah.

 

[Grief.exe]

This E3 is going to be crazy.

 

[Neoxon]

nope x86 mobile intel atoms exist.

But it isn't exactly power-efficient.

 

[LCGeek]

Nothing of interest. Until they talk about CPU/GPU or more worthwhile details on the architecture doesn't do much to the discussion.

 

[Servbot24]

None of that is very interesting. Seems like the bare bones of what a new console should have. I guess x86 info is good.

 

[Zyae]

Just like the verified controller leaks from trusted sources.

Yeah they said that the controller leaks are legit but they didnt look like those fake leaks

 

[Trago]

x86?

What??

I thought ARM was gonna be the go to here for the whole shared library thing.

 

[Peterc]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

So let's just set the record straight here, /u/untypedhero can chime in to confirm where applicable if he wants.

Anyone giving you hardware specs is lying, because...
Nintendo have not released a hardware devkit yet.
An NX specific SDK does not yet exist
Existing SDK (Cafe) updated with NX references with sparse toolchain modifications which in function indicate NX being x86 but cannot, alone, confirm that the final hardware will be using x86.
Major AAA third parties do not have an NX SDK or NX Devkit (See points 1 and 2)
Third parties are running with the assumption that Nintendo plans to use E3 to lay the groundwork for what NX is and to court developers into creating software for the platform
Will likely see initial SDK's being pushed to license holders within the next 3 months.
Regardless of studio size, all requests to Nintendo for information on NX are currently being, in most cases, ignored.
Anyone potentially leaking specs/info once devkits and SDK's do ship won't actually be breaking Nintendo NDA, they will however be breaking NDA with their employers and putting their employers licensing agreement with Nintendo in jeopardy.
For the time being, every time you see someone making a statement such as "faster than <other console>" / "slower than <other console>" don't actually have a clue or have been fed a lie by someone else pretending to know about the console.
The sparse information Nintendo are giving to developers equates to "we'll tell you more soon".
Third party developers aren't under any NDA not to discuss NX, they just aren't discussing NX because they're almost as in the dark as the general public.
All of the above is a combination of my direct experience and first hand experiences from the developers and publishers I deal with on a daily basis, I have previously verified with FlapSnapple.

https://m.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/c..._need_to_be_stated_re_leaks/?ref=search_posts

 

[TheSlySoul]

Sounds accurate to the rumors I have been hearing.
I am not verified myself, but keep up with talks.

Edit: To the above poster, yeah the X86 is pretty much based on speculation.
Edit 2: Also the fake controller matched the rumors so who knows!

 

[BuggyMike]

I def don't take this "leaker" too seriously especially after the lengths the controller guy went to make that fake, and the fact that he really has nothing mind blowing to say but I am always happy for a new NX thread for all the speculation.

 

[XenodudeX]

This is what an insider on neogaf have said on the matter in the PS4k thread:





He also mentiond he thinks NX is a handheld only now but yeah.

Then tbh he doesn't know shit. We know for a fact that there is going to be a console and a handheld.

 

[Pokemaniac]

This is your daily reminder that x86 isn't inherently better than ARM, and that using ARM won't be any significant hindrance to porting.





On this topic, specifically, I'm not particularly convinced. This reads kinda a combination of really safe guesses, plus a few less safe ones.

 

[Asd202]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

This goes in line with what boogz said.

 

[VariantX]

Well, why else would Second Screen support be included? To help with Wii U BC.

If I'm wrong, I won't be upset at all. Just sharing my thoughts .

To link with mobile devices like tablets , smartphones, or future nintendo handhelds. Basically what PS4 already offers today.

 

[cyberheater]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

Nintendo have not released a hardware devkit yet.

If it's on X86 you don't need a hardware devkit. You can start development using a SDK and a PC.

 

[atbigelow]

Only thing that this has I find interesting it second screen support.

I had an inkling Nintendo would sort of "liberate" what device you use to function as the Wii U Gamepad's screen.

Nothing else here really smells valid, though. And what does "verified" really mean? He's not even the dev, but his friend is?

Not saying this stuff isn't true; but it looks easy enough to fabricate.

 

[ekim]

If it's on X86 you don't need a hardware devkit. You can start development using a SDK and a PC.

Yeah. See the Durango devkit which was basically a normal PC

 

[Sammy Samusu]

You are extremely unlikely to get any photo leaks before the NX is announced officially by Nintendo. The studios (that I know of) that are building / porting to NX only have access to software. Some of these are not particularly small studios either.

Oh I never thought about this, makes a lot of sense! I can't wait for the controller reveal!

 

[Jackano]

Will start to believe when one piece of detail will be something we previously had no reason to suspect, because actually, this sounds like paraphrasing GAF's consensus.

 

[noshten]

Drop Second Screen
- Allow Mobile/Tablet/PC/TV/Laptop to act as second screen for certain games.

So is that the idea?

 

[PdotMichael]

so

x86 would kill all unified platform fantasies. Too bad...heh

 

[AndyMoogle]

They have to start the VC library over... again.

There was never any doubt they would move away from PPC. I doubt it will be x86 though. Like others have suggested, it will most likely be ARM. There is no point for Nintendo to bother with 3rd party anyway. It's much better for them to make the same games for both platforms and double their output that way.

 

[javac]

I'm pretty sure that the notion of third parties only having access to software based SDK's for NX was insinuated previously? Sounds familiar.

 

[Neoxon]

so

x86 would kill all unified platform fantasies. Too bad...heh

You don't seem all that disappointed.

But yeah, we would likely see software droughts as usual if some kind of unification doesn't happen.

 

[Zalman]

I just hope they aren't rushing a release if third-party software isn't ready. That's my biggest worry.

 

[LordRaptor]

This is your daily reminder that x86 isn't inherently better than ARM, and that using ARM won't be any significant hindrance to porting.

Its also a hugely different direction for Nintendo, because they have never shown any interest in producing an 'all in one' device.
RISC (of any flavour) makes far more sense for a device designed to primarily do one task efficiently, which has been a Nintendo design ethos for a very long time.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

So 2017? That would make even Trev's (definitely real) source wrong. That or they are confident there will be enough time for third-party ports regardless which implies PS4/XB1-like by itself.

I'm happy if we've killed the hybrid theory. Having all Nintendo games built to run on a handheld would really suck and limit them.

 

[PdotMichael]

nope x86 mobile intel atoms exist.

No one would use atoms for small low-budget handheld systems.

 

[cyberheater]

There was never any doubt they would move away from PPC. I doubt it will be x86 though. Like others have suggested, it will most likely be ARM. There is no point for Nintendo to bother with 3rd party anyway. It's much better for them to make the same games for both platforms and double their output that way.

If you want third party then X86 is the right way to go.

 

[Orniletter]

so

x86 would kill all unified platform fantasies. Too bad...heh

It wouldn't at all. It'd make things more complicated, but it's still very much possible.

 

[Anth0ny]

Third parties are running with the assumption that Nintendo plans to use E3 to lay the groundwork for what NX is and to court developers into creating software for the platform

this is unbelievable if true

they're really going to wait until e3? for a platform launching this year?

and if it's not launching this year... they're really going to push forward with the wii u for another holiday season?

 

[DeuceGamer]

I'm curious if this were to be true does that mean the handheld would need to be x86 as well for them to utilize the same OS/ecosystem that has been widely speculated?

Second screen is fine by me as long as it doesn't massively increase costs. Wonder if it's an option instead of a requirement. hmmm...

 

[julesodies]

Only thing that this has I find interesting it second screen support.

I had an inkling Nintendo would sort of "liberate" what device you use to function as the Wii U Gamepad's screen.

Nothing else here really smells valid, though. And what does "verified" really mean? He's not even the dev, but his friend is?

Not saying this stuff isn't true; but it looks easy enough to fabricate.

Maybe you can connect your Wii U pad to the NX to play Wii U games and the support isnt used in any other way?

 

[spwolf]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

when is NX being released, in 2019?

 

[OdysseusVA]

Verified? Well then I'll believe it

 

[Tizoc]

OK but is it gonna be region free similar to the PS4 or PS3?

 

[GregLombardi]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

So let's just set the record straight here, /u/untypedhero can chime in to confirm where applicable if he wants.

Anyone giving you hardware specs is lying, because...
Nintendo have not released a hardware devkit yet.
An NX specific SDK does not yet exist
Existing SDK (Cafe) updated with NX references with sparse toolchain modifications which in function indicate NX being x86 but cannot, alone, confirm that the final hardware will be using x86.
Major AAA third parties do not have an NX SDK or NX Devkit (See points 1 and 2)
Third parties are running with the assumption that Nintendo plans to use E3 to lay the groundwork for what NX is and to court developers into creating software for the platform
Will likely see initial SDK's being pushed to license holders within the next 3 months.
Regardless of studio size, all requests to Nintendo for information on NX are currently being, in most cases, ignored.
Anyone potentially leaking specs/info once devkits and SDK's do ship won't actually be breaking Nintendo NDA, they will however be breaking NDA with their employers and putting their employers licensing agreement with Nintendo in jeopardy.
For the time being, every time you see someone making a statement such as "faster than <other console>" / "slower than <other console>" don't actually have a clue or have been fed a lie by someone else pretending to know about the console.
The sparse information Nintendo are giving to developers equates to "we'll tell you more soon".
Third party developers aren't under any NDA not to discuss NX, they just aren't discussing NX because they're almost as in the dark as the general public.
All of the above is a combination of my direct experience and first hand experiences from the developers and publishers I deal with on a daily basis, I have previously verified with FlapSnapple.

https://m.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/co...f=search_posts

This sounds like the Nintendo I know.

 

[PdotMichael]

It wouldn't at all. It'd make things more complicated, but it's still very much possible.

The "more complicated" kind of way wouldn't be the way how a bunch of engineers (and Nintendo's engineers are even supposed to be quite good) would handle the requirement of an unified platform.

 

[Guess Who]

This is your daily reminder that x86 isn't inherently better than ARM, and that using ARM won't be any significant hindrance to porting.

Yup. It'd be totally viable at this point to make an ARM console with equal or more CPU horsepower than the PS4 or XBO, and it'd be much more viable to share an architecture between mobile and console that way, too. Would make much more sense tbh.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Here's the thing: even if this guy is legit, and doesn't think his sources would have a reason to lie, that doesn't mean they have the truth, or are telling it without exaggeration. I had a boss who had contacts with major developers (he used to work with them), and he loved telling us the top secret information he had heard (so, secondhand just like this guy). And I'm convinced most of the information was either misunderstood or BS, or was his friends reading rumors from the Internet and my boss not realizing they were rumors. For example, he told us his contacts said the NX was going to be a single device, a handheld that would work with your TV, which has gone around here a few times. But that's something that Iwata specifically said would NOT happen, a merging of the two form factors, Iwata said if anything, it would have more than two form factors in the NX family, not just one.

 

[Asd202]

If it's on X86 you don't need a hardware devkit. You can start development using a SDK and a PC.

Correct me if I'm wrong but having no SDK and no devkit doesn't it imply that developers don't know the specs of the console other than it's using x86 architecture? No one in their right mind will start porting to something they don't even know the specs off.

 

[AdanVC]

Someone else posted this 1hour ago on reddit :

And how Nintendo plans to launch this thing this year when devs doesn't even have kits yet?