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[Mihael Mello Keehl]

It's cause your black. The mod told me. #BlackLivesMatter

Kidding.

Whatever I aint posting threads no more.. Im salty 😪

 

[blu]

More probable than 14nm and Polaris, which i am entertaining.

Let me elaborate. First, staying at 40nm for edram now means they will likely have to ride out the generation at 40nm. When 28nm has been the norm for years, and 14nm will likely be the norm next year. That would put them at a far greater disadvantage than whatever that 32MB/64MB might give them. Second, just think of it - AMD's Seattle and Jaguars/Pumas are all 28nm. AMD has nothing contemprary in the 40nm range (bobcats and terascale, ahoy!)

 

[Rodin]

Thanks for the detailed answers.

Is it possible but not improbable that Nintendo would with a 40nm fab process again to get 64mb+ edram in their SOC. They can use some really customized 40nm parts from AMD. I don't think they'll be able to fit the 16 rops needed for 1080p 60fps ports. Perf would be 4x Wii U max. Yuck.

Let's not get too crazy now, we already know that the NX will use a semi-custom APU from AMD. No more highly customized stuff.

 

[Proelite]

Yep, 40nm doesn't make sense. Never did.

 

[sfried]

Updated as requested. And some important info on the ps's too.

Edit: "at least 6 threads each" = each console, not each CPU.

Where's the Wii U in this chart? We're only comparing NX to the competition, but not its predecessor?

 

[AcademicSaucer]

This recent leak about Zelda just reinforces the fact that Nintendo cant wait until E3 to unveil the NX. leaks are inevitable and leakers will unveil it for them if they wait that much.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Updated as requested. And some important info on the ps's too.

Edit: "at least 6 threads each" = each console, not each CPU.

How can you possibly come up with a chart where almost ALL of the unknown information is guessed at?? How do people even begin to make these and not think they're silly?

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

This recent leak about Zelda just reinforces the fact that Nintendo cant wait until E3 to unveil the NX. leaks are inevitable and leakers will unveil it for them if they wait that much.

You vastly over estimate who sees these 'leaks'

 

[Pancake Mix]

Yep, 40nm doesn't make sense. Never did.

Actually it did, as a die half-shrink from a larger node, that's all it was. It's intented to cut costs and improve efficiency like any other die shrink.

 

[Plinko]

How can you possibly come up with a chart where almost ALL of the unknown information is guessed at?? How do people even begin to make these and not think they're silly?

That was my question as well. It makes no sense to me.

 

[AzaK]

That was my question as well. It makes no sense to me.

What does in this thread?

 

[BlueSteel]

Updated as requested. And some important info on the ps's too.

Edit: "at least 6 threads each" = each console, not each CPU.

Dude, not going to lie, but I have no idea what is going on with this chart.

 

[Proelite]

Dude, not going to lie, but I have no idea what is going on with this chart.

Seriously chart fucks with my mind.

 

[The Boat]

Dude, not going to lie, but I have no idea what is going on with this chart.

Neither does he.

 

[-Horizon-]

Needs more pie charts.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Updated as requested. And some important info on the ps's too.

Edit: "at least 6 threads each" = each console, not each CPU.

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

 

[Karanlos]

Blue = CPU Power?
Yellow = GPU?
Red = Amount of RAM available to devs?

 

[diaspora]

Someone send the chart to polygon.

 

[kjacobson]

One thing that the NX needs aside from comparable hardware, is a mature user interface - what we've seen on the 3DS/Wii/Wii U simply won't cut it. Something fast and responsive - the first Xbox One dashboard is an example of what not to do with a dashboard even when you have decent hardware.

 

[AlStrong]

Blue = CPU Power?
Yellow = GPU?
Red = Amount of RAM available to devs?

Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles

 

[QaaQer]

Well they closed my Zelda U rumors thread. See why I dont post threads? Dont ask me or my son to make a thread ever again!

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Sorry for closing your thread Mihaell!!!!! My first thought was to either merge them or close the older one, and I assumed yours was older than it was!!!!!!

 

[NateDrake]

This thread has officially hit the random and meaningless chart posting phase. Excellent.

 

[ShadowFox08]

If more lines were added, it would look like this.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dhr8iCZ.png[/IMG]

I dont think the RAM is up to scale..

 

[Proelite]

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

Y would NX PS4 and Xb1 have different amounts of ram?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

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Ahhh thanks!

This thread has officially hit the random and meaningless chart posting phase. Excellent.

Its done with..

 

[jay]

I always suspected the PS3 had a lot of blue, but never realized just how much.

 

[Karanlos]

Y would NX PS4 and Xb1 have different amounts of ram?

Amount available to developers I guess?

 

[Neoxon]

Y would NX PS4 and Xb1 have different amounts of ram?

It's more about RAM speed than the amount of RAM that the NX Console would have compared to the Xbox One.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

Now this should provide a new thread provided with LCGeek's information even though it's estimation.

 

[Proelite]

Amount available to developers I guess?

Xbox one and ps4 both gives 5.

PS3 gives less than Xbox 360m

 

[geordiemp]

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

Is that not a pointless comparison ?

GPU can be compared I suppose, but RAM should be Bandwidth if your trying to suggest game performance, which is complex to do with some having on chip RAM but not enough of it.

 

[blu]

Someone at TSMC authored a document on 28nm EDRAM, FYI.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6131608&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F6123666%2F6131464%2F06131608.pdf%3Farnumber%3D6131608

It doesn't look like it amounted to anything, though.

That's quite informative, thanks!

/is on the shittiest internet possible, in a hotel room in the mountains

 

[10k]

That's quite informative, thanks!

/is on the shittiest internet possible, in a hotel room in the mountains

Sounds romantic. What's her name?

 

[optimiss]

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

What are the units on the Y axis? This chart doesn't make any sense.

 

[sfried]

Is that not a pointless comparison ?

What's more pointless is comparing the NX with this PS4k.
Comparing the NX with the Wii U would perhaps show any opportunities (if any) would open up to developers.

 

[Sanpunkan]

I always suspected the PS3 had a lot of blue, but never realized just how much.

Haha. Almost spit my coffee out. I'm not even sure what meaningful metric would let you place both CPU and RAM on the same chart like that. Y axis must be pixie dust.

 

[Rösti]

That's quite informative, thanks!

/is on the shittiest internet possible, in a hotel room in the mountains

It's a relatively short document, and not too advanced. I can post the conclusion:

Conclusion
We have demonstrated a 28nm high-performance,
high-density HKMG eDRAM process technology that
achieves 600MHz random access frequency. Access
transistors, with industry’s smallest 28/20nm cells
(0.035/0.021 um²
), generate an ION of >50uA with an IOFF
of <1fA/ <3fA, respectively. It paves a clear path for
future cell scaling. The CMOS and MIM reliability tests
confirm our high-quality MIM capacitor construction that
is also HKMG process compatible.

I wonder though if Nintendo could go with something more exotic like Z-RAM (due to AMD involvement), but that technology isn't too mature I think.

 

[Asd202]

What's more pointless is comparing the NX with this PS4k.

Why? Both console will come out around the same time.

 

[Metalingus5150]

I'm looking forward to the handheld. Should have enough power to run some pretty games. 3DS had some amazin games, can't wait to see what the next handheld will bring to the table

 

[sfried]

Why? Both console will come out around the same time.

Are you saying NX release will be 2017?
Also I don't think the NX is aiming for a 4k output, either.

 

[diaspora]

Are you saying NX release will be 2017?
Also I don't think the NX is aiming for a 4k output, either.

Neither will the PS4K to be fair. Or at least not a native render.

 

[sfried]

Neither will the PS4K to be fair. Or at least not a native render.

I don't get why the comparison then.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

This chart is worthless anyway, made of rumors and guesses.

 

[Thraktor]

It's a relatively short document, and not too advanced. I can post the conclusion:


I wonder though if Nintendo could go with something more exotic like Z-RAM (due to AMD involvement), but that technology isn't too mature I think.

As Z-RAM has yet to appear in any products by this point, I very much doubt we'll ever see it. I'd take the same philosophy to 28nm eDRAM. There were a few comments by Renesas about planned 28nm eDRAM around 2010, but the fact that we haven't seen any four years in to the node, it's likely that there simply weren't enough customers to make it commercially viable. Nowadays pretty much the only companies you'll see researching eDRAM are Intel and IBM, because they don't need customers for it, it's all for their own chips.

 

[Proelite]

As Z-RAM has yet to appear in any products by this point, I very much doubt we'll ever see it. I'd take the same philosophy to 28nm eDRAM. There were a few comments by Renesas about planned 28nm eDRAM around 2010, but the fact that we haven't seen any four years in to the node, it's likely that there simply weren't enough customers to make it commercially viable. Nowadays pretty much the only companies you'll see researching eDRAM are Intel and IBM, because they don't need customers for it, it's all for their own chips.

If you had to put money on the APU and ram used in the NX. What do you think would have the highest chance of making you the most? Assuming the closer you are the more payout there is.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Lol.

What was funny?

Jaguar
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3

Contrast to A72 benchmarks, an ARM core.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review/3

 

[Insane Metal]

Sorry guys, I went to The Division and forgot this xD

I completely forgot to explain what each thing is, SORRY! :lol

Would be nice to add in Wii U too, and more lines for the y axis..

Thank you!

And as someone mentioned, the RAM in there is actually related to the overall RAM bandwidth and not the amount of it.

What was funny?

Jaguar
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3

Contrast to A72 benchmarks, an ARM core.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review/3

"Beating the Jaguar is trivial" = Lol (yes, obviously), that's all

 

[ShadowFox08]

My god.. I've never been quoted so much. I just added a legend. ._.

more updated

 

[LordOfChaos]

"Beating the Jaguar is trivial" = Lol (yes, obviously), that's all

Ok, I thought you were saying the opposite

Some people in the reddit post seem convinced no possible ARM core could beat the PS4s CPU and it's making my brain itch lol. i.e.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX...the_af_lockdown_now_claim_your_reward/d1qntuo

 

[Insane Metal]

Ok, I thought you were saying the opposite

Some people in the reddit post seem convinced no possible ARM core could beat the PS4s CPU and it's making my brain itch lol. i.e.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX...the_af_lockdown_now_claim_your_reward/d1qntuo

Hahahah. Yeah, because the PS4 CPU is such a beast! /s