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NX will launch in March 2017 globally, won't be at E3 (focusing on Zelda instead)

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Peterc

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Too much being made over NX not being at E3.
They'll have their own direct or show featuring the
system. Too much panic from fans.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a NX themed Direct
shortly before or after E3.

Or they'll bring back Spaceworld in the fall.

Irregardless, thinking Nintendo won't show
or talk about the system this year when it's releasing
March 2017 worldwide is stretching things.

Not sure why there's so much panic?!

Issue is, wiiu gen was too late. Its compared with previous gens. Developers wants to move forwards. So even if the wiiu was easy to develop, 3rd party wouldn't really support it.

Because nx is also coming late, wouldn't it be the same issue?

Only positive is that sony and ms is coming with an upgrade too. So that means we can reboot this gen for everyone and use backwards compatible games.
 
I still cant wrap my head around "we will just show Zelda"....that game must be something...

Having been at E3 when they showed a big Zelda game at not much else (2005 - Twilight Princess on Gamecube, when they had almost abandoned it otherwise), I can tell you, it's not the worst idea. There was a 4+ hour wait to play Zelda for 5 minutes.

If they dedicate their whole booth to Zelda, maybe it won't be quite as bad.

In 2006, with the Wii reveal, it was even worse. That whole side of the show floor was just a giant line to get into the Wii booth. They tried to keep moving people from kiosk to kiosk to try each game and move on, but it was still an absolute madhouse.
 

georly

Member
My interpretation of how it went down

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Amazing.
 

Ansatz

Member
First-party:

Zelda
Smash port
Mario Maker port
Spla2oon (or Splatoon port)
Pikmin 4
Animal Crossing
Wave Race
Luigi's Mansion 3

You will be disappointed if you expect them to release system sellers stacked together like that.

Day 1

Zelda
EAD Tokyo Mario
Splatoon port
Nintendo Land 2
filler (the Wave Race, Pilotwings, Excite Truck tier)

Month 1
Smash Wii U definitive edition

Month 2
Pikmin 4

Month 3
Mario Maker

Month 4
ALttP 3D Remake

Month 5
Mario & Sonic
Retro Studios

Month 6
Luigi's Mansion 3

Month 7
Animal Crossing


You get the idea
 

P44

Member
why do people want 3 systems that all do the same shit?

what is the point.

Because really, people want one console so they don't have to deal with exclusivity shit - exclusive games are entirely to the benefit of the company, I don't benefit from Zelda being Nintendo only.

Given that one console is bad for competition, that shifts to ok, there should at least be a common base of games and then a handful of exclusives, if you have to. You can still innovate, if you want, have your exclusives, if you want, but when Battlefield 5 comes out, support it.

It's the app gap, but for consoles. Nobody wants something that has a bunch of cool native stuff, but doesn't support the majority of applications, because I'm missing out on far more than everybody else is missing out on.

Also the secondary console stuff is not really worth entertaining, I'd rather them go third party then try to establish themselves as the secondary console. It's exclusivity for the sake of it.
 

Peterc

Member
why do people want 3 systems that all do the same shit?

what is the point.

The problem is that Nintendo is the only one that is different.

Sony "pc" and ms are the same.

In my opinion. Xbox should go pc only. It's useless to have 2 consoles doing the same thing. Xbox controller works on pc, they could stream it to tv. Thats why
 

Mik317

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Why do people want pointless gimmicks

What is the point.

well for one they probably don't consider them pointless but mainly because its different experience than the other console they probably have. I have 2 games for my XB1...I don't even have that any exclusives for my ps4 but I buy most multiplatform games for that. The two systems are too similar and in the end the Ps4 is "better" because it gets Japanese games that the XB1 doesn't. I just don't think the market needs yet another console that does the same shit.

If Nintendo Games is enough for people to jump in...I will be shocked. I can already see "well I could get the NX but I'd buy most games for the PS4/XB1 I already have...so I'll wait for a price drop". The NX has to sell to the non Nintendo audience that more than likely have one of the other consoles....I just don't know if more of the same will attract that audience. It needs a draw to it. Perhaps not a Gimmick but something to set it apart beyond just Nintendo games. Its enough for me to jump on board but I don't think many people are like me and have money to throw at consoles for a few games.
 

Pinky

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You will be disappointed if you expect them to release system sellers stacked together like that.

Day 1

Zelda
EAD Tokyo Mario
Splatoon port
Nintendo Land 2
filler (the Wave Race, Pilotwings, Excite Truck tier)

Month 1
Smash Wii U definitive edition

Month 2
Pikmin 4

Month 3
Mario Maker

Month 4
ALttP 3D Remake

Month 5
Mario & Sonic
Retro Studios

Month 6
Luigi's Mansion 3

Month 7
Animal Crossing


You get the idea

I don't expect it. Just some random titles I threw together.

Would be nice though :)
 
Did anybody else find it odd Nintendo of America tweeting "NX is launching March 2017" at like 2 am when Kimishima told the journalist or whoever it was launching then? It felt so random like they knew people are starving for NX news...

It seemed really strange when NoA knows they can't even talk about it until after E3...I feel like NoA really wants to talk about the NX and they know it's what everyone wants to hear about, but NCL is making everyone stay quiet. I'm seeing it more on different YouTube channels how NoA is just a pawn and they have to listen to NCL. I think a lot of NoA employees reads these threads and feels the same way we do about releasing NX info since we all know the Wii U is dead.
 
Did anybody else find it odd Nintendo of America tweeting "NX is launching March 2017" at like 2 am when Kimishima told the journalist or whoever it was launching then?

It seemed really strange when NoA knows they can't even talk about it until after E3...I feel like NoA really wants to talk about the NX and they know it's what everyone wants to hear about, but NCL is making everyone stay quiet. I'm seeing it more on different YouTube channels how NoA is just a pawn and they have to listen to NCL. I think a lot of NoA employees reads these threads and feels the same way we do about releasing NX info since we all know the Wii U is dead.

That just sounds like standard PR stuff

Nintendo knows anything said at the briefing will naturally be reported on, so control the message by reporting on it as soon as it happens. Same reason why they livetweet Direct and E3 announcements.
 

osake

Neo Member
What I don't understand is that, if NX isn't there, they'll be dedicating E3 to a Wii U version of Zelda that will come out the same time as one that should have better graphics/effects thanks to being on NX.

Our first introduction to it won't even be the best looking one. What if we see the NX version and it's not a big a jump as we'd have hoped, putting people on a downer? What if Zelda U suffers from framerate issues or something like that, while not being an issue on NX, still affects initial perception and hype?
 

P44

Member
well for one they probably don't consider them pointless but mainly because its different experience than the other console they probably have. I have 2 games for my XB1...I don't even have that any exclusives for my ps4 but I buy most multiplatform games for that. The two systems are too similar and in the end the Ps4 is "better" because it gets Japanese games that the XB1 doesn't. I just don't think the market needs yet another console that does the same shit.

If Nintendo Games is enough for people to jump in...I will be shocked. I can already see "well I could get the NX but I'd buy most games for the PS4/XB1 I already have...so I'll wait for a price drop". The NX has to sell to the non Nintendo audience that more than likely have one of the other consoles....I just don't know if more of the same will attract that audience. It needs a draw to it. Perhaps not a Gimmick but something to set it apart beyond just Nintendo games. Its enough for me to jump on board but I don't think many people are like me and have money to throw at consoles for a few games.

This is the perspective you're coming from though. People want to just be able to pick up the console and not have to get another console for the multiplats - else you're forever stuck selling to people that love Nintendo games.

The NX can have something that sets it apart, but not something that breaks compatability with 95% of games coming out - that means it has to keep up in power terms, and whatever the gimmick is, the gimmick cannot be so different as to deter developers.

There's a way to innovate whilst staying in the same ballpark.
 
That just sounds like standard PR stuff

Nintendo knows anything said at the briefing will naturally be reported on, so control the message by reporting on it as soon as it happens. Same reason why they livetweet Direct and E3 announcements.
I guess. Just seemed weird when it's like "hey guise we know you want the NX, but it's coming one year later and we won't talk about it at E3!"
 
Issue is, wiiu gen was too late. Its compared with previous gens. Developers wants to move forwards. So even if the wiiu was easy to develop, 3rd party wouldn't really support it.

Because nx is also coming late, wouldn't it be the same issue?

Only positive is that sony and ms is coming with an upgrade too. So that means we can reboot this gen for everyone and use backwards compatible games.

We're talking months here, not years after the holidays.
 
The idea that Nintendo is skipping E3 to "avoid" the Neo and XBox One.5, both mere revisions of existing consoles, is pretty laughable. If they were to unveil the NX there's zero doubt they wouldn't have a problem taking the spotlight.
 
The idea that Nintendo is skipping E3 to "avoid" the Neo and XBox One.5, both mere revisions of existing consoles, is pretty laughable. If they were to unveil the NX there's zero doubt they wouldn't have a problem taking the spotlight.
Well that could be a reason for Nintendo. It's not like we'll ever know. It could be a multitude of things.
 

Ansatz

Member
The idea that Nintendo is skipping E3 to "avoid" the Neo and XBox One.5, both mere revisions of existing consoles, is pretty laughable. If they were to unveil the NX there's zero doubt they wouldn't have a problem taking the spotlight.

Isn't this the year of VR as well? If they shift a couple of months from their supposed initial plans: E3 reveal, holiday relase to Q3 reveal, March release then they avoid getting drowned by all the noise.
 
Oh, this sucks to learn.

So they'll consciously pass on the biggest opportunity they have to show the system off before it launches? I've stopped trying to figure them out.
 

TheJoRu

Member
Did anybody else find it odd Nintendo of America tweeting "NX is launching March 2017" at like 2 am when Kimishima told the journalist or whoever it was launching then? It felt so random like they knew people are starving for NX news...

It seemed really strange when NoA knows they can't even talk about it until after E3...I feel like NoA really wants to talk about the NX and they know it's what everyone wants to hear about, but NCL is making everyone stay quiet. I'm seeing it more on different YouTube channels how NoA is just a pawn and they have to listen to NCL. I think a lot of NoA employees reads these threads and feels the same way we do about releasing NX info since we all know the Wii U is dead.

I mean, I don't think it's weird that they tweeted it. The investor relations stuff is public, and media would report on this news, probably asking NoA and NoE for a comment, at which point there's no use saying "no comment" or deny anything because it's public knowledge. Might as well just tweet it out and be done with it.

What's weird is, and this is something NoA/NoE likely can't control, is that they're just announcing that. No one knows what it is, they've barely mentioned it on official channels, there's no official name, yet here's a launch date for it. Yay, I guess?

There really could've been something else. Just a teaser video or image; something more than the gray Nintendo logo. But I guess the design language for the thing isn't ready yet, so they can't even make that. That's what I think comes off as strange, that it's not even a teaser but rather a seemingly random announcement that's hard to get excited for because we know nothing about the product and we know we're still quite far from any official announcement.
 

AniHawk

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And yet those six games haven't stopped 3DS from being Nintendo's worst-selling handheld, nor have they stopped 3DS sales from being in near-continuous decline since 2012.

Nintendo's hardware fanbase isn't insignificant and isn't going to disappear overnight, but they have yet to prove that they're capable of growing it, or even halting its decline.

i think hardware manufacturers in general need to prove this to be honest. this gen took a hit almost across the board.

it's also unfair to compare the 3ds to the game boy. the 3ds is actually outperforming the game boy in the same time frame by several million units. it wasn't until after pokemon and the game boy color that things really took off for the machine (not that 54 million units between 1989 and 1996 are bad). in general, it seems like the 3ds will probably closely reflect the game boy's post-pokemon life, from 1996-2002, where it sold 64 million units.
 
I hope their lineup is stellar. I really do. As for Retro, I would love to see their game at launch. However, if they are doing Metroid, I wouldn't expect it to launch right along with Zelda. I could see it releasing within the launch window, however(maybe 4-6 months from launch day). If it's a new IP or a new take on an existing IP that's been dormant for a long time, then I say bring it at launch.

I'm thinking Nintendo is coming with two big games at launch like a Zelda and something else I can't think of lol.

3D Mario is probably November 2017. Retro could be close to launch depending on the game. Maybe Animal Crossing could be a launch game.
 
All right, so I've had some time to digest this information, so here are my thoughts.

On NX missing out on the 2016:

This is certainly unfortunate. I'm inclined to believe that this decision happened relatively recently. What called for that decision, we really can't say. It could be a software issue, a hardware problem, or some other unforeseen circumstance. I doubt they're avoiding the holidays; I think they would launch for the holidays if they could. If it's not ready, it's not ready. It's a bit concerning about their product, but we can make a decision once we know what it actually is.

On NX not being present at E3 (Or E3 plans in general):

This is the bigger point out of all this, in my opinion. If Nintendo really does plan on launching NX worldwide in/by March 2017, why wouldn't they show it at E3? I can't imagine a case where it's not ready to be shown. After all, we knew about Wii and Wii U long before they released.

Here's my train of thought regarding this.

1. Nintendo wants to reveal NX at their own event.
- This is fine. I have no complaints against this. People keep saying Nintendo wants their own event, but that doesn't mean they can't still show it at E3. They're going to be at E3 anyway. Why wouldn't you want your own event to show off NX, then promote it further at E3? This leads to the next point.

2. Nintendo wants to reveal NX at a point after E3.
- My initial reaction to this is, "Why?" If the thing is supposed to be ready by March 2017, I would have to presume Nintendo can show it now if they wanted. Yet, they insist on keeping their cards close to their chest. The only conclusion I can draw from that decision is:

3. Nintendo wants to reveal NX as close to its release as possible.
- Again, "Why?" I get that people like to point out that Wii U didn't perform well after being shown so early, but Wii U was the culmination of a multitude of mistakes. Showing the console a year later would not have helped its fortunes. It's just really odd to have a machine launch without ever being showcased at an E3. I'm not sure how Nintendo finds this position advantageous.

Even ignoring the fact that NX won't be there, why is Zelda going to be the only game playable on the floor? I know that Nintendo can reveal more games, but why aren't games like Color Splash and Federation Force (ha) playable? They're already at E3; they have the space. It just doesn't make sense to me. On a different note, I really hope they don't go overboard with Zelda, but that's more because I'm too weak to avoid all the information I can get even though I want a fresh first playthrough.

But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.

1. Nintendo are notoriously known as control-freaks. That's not a bad thing, but it does mean that they like to control the announcements that's going to show off the product in what they deem a flattering light. E3 is fine and dandy, but it's starting to lose its relevancy. Nintendo isn't the first company to start dropping E3.

2. Waiting until a few months after E3 has a few benefits. One, they don't have to worry about the media rushing off to other non-Nintendo appointments. Have a Nintendo-only event allows the press to take their time with the demos and hands-on with the console. Number 1 & 2 really go hand in hand.

3. Showing off the console closer to release is definitely a good thing. What you want as a company is to create buzz. You then take than buzz and turn it into sales. When a product is announced too early, the buzz can dwindle down and people forget about it. The tech world relies on buzz to generate sales. It's the reason why Apple always launches close to their announcements.

There are clear benefits for Nintendo doing what it's doing, and those benefits are not only good for Nintendo, but also for the press and the consumer. At this point, the average consumer doesn't know about the NX. It's the enthusiast crowd that has been following the information for months and months. Joe GameStop isn't going to hear about the console until Nintendo announce later in the year. For these people, it's business as usual.
 
It is pretty awkward, isn't it? Especially considering the so-called gimmicks on Wii, Wii U, DS, and 3DS are actually awesome.

Ill give you DS ans Wii. The rest not many people agree with.

Nintendo was gimmick free with their consoles until Wii, lets hope the Wiiu fail got gimmicks out of their system again.

But Kimis comments dont give me much hope, neither the rumours of it barely being better than PS4.
 
Okay - I fully agree with Nintendo's call on delaying the NX. Its a great decision. Nintendo is not in a position to botch this launch in any way shape or form. I'm glad they are taking a cautious approach to this and want to ensure the launch and the following months go well. In fact, i'd be okay if it got delayed out of this fiscal year. It sounds like the software needs more time, and if Nintendo wants to delay this all the way to fall 2017, go right ahead.

However, the decision to not talk about NX at E3 is one of the worst ones i've seen Nintendo do, and this is a company that has made some tremendously awful mistakes over the decades. There is simply no reason to not talk about NX. None. It doesn't even have to be a lot of NX talk. Sony held its first PS4 press conference & came on stage & showed off tech demoes & a controller, all while talking about vision & specs. Honestly, something similar is all Nintendo needed to do. Heck, if they aren't ready to show any hardware for it, thats fine too. They could easily show up to E3 & discuss what their vision for the NX platform is and what some of the features they want to implement on it are. You can easily save the hardware reveals for a later date.

The fact that I haven't heard a single word from my colleagues working throughout 3rd party publishers regarding the NX (all my contacts have told me they haven't seen it or been briefed on it) tells me more about the direction Nintendo is going to be pursuing with this device, yet again.
 
Ill give you DS ans Wii. The rest not many people agree with.

Nintendo was gimmick free with their consoles until Wii, lets hope the Wiiu fail got gimmicks out of their system again.

But Kimis comments dont give me much hope, neither the rumours of it barely being better than PS4.

Think again.
Every Nintendo controller has had some kind of gimmick.

NES - D-Pad + 2 Buttons
SNES - 4 Buttons + Shoulder Buttons
N64 - Analog Stick + Z Button

Gamecube has the only controller that really didn't add too much.
 

Maxinas

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The fact that I haven't heard a single word from my colleagues working throughout 3rd party publishers regarding the NX (all my contacts have told me they haven't seen it or been briefed on it) tells me more about the direction Nintendo is going to be pursuing with this device, yet again.

Don't want to sound like an ass, but why exactly would they tell you anything?
 
I think at this point nobody has a problem with the NX releasing in March because nobody wants to see another Wii U in Nintendos hands. Let them get the time they need for the software.

The problem some have is how come they won't show a thing at E3 about the NX.
 

Sadist

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I think at this point nobody has a problem with the NX releasing in March because nobody wants to see another Wii U in Nintendos hands. Let them get the time they need for the software.

The problem some have is how come they won't show a thing at E3 about the NX.
1) Game demo's aren't ready enough to be shown

2) Final design hasn't been decided on

3) Or Nintendo doesn't want PS4k, Xbox One Mark II and VR raining on their parade.

The latter point could be one reason; if your competition has a really good E3 they can throw a shadow over you and your reveal. With your own event you can get all the attention.
 
I find it weird that they've confirmed Zelda for NX, are saying Zelda will be the main focus of e3, but no NX at e3. Are they seriously not going to show off the NX version, and stick strictly to Wii U? Seems really weird to let us know there will be a better version coming, but not to show it off.
 
1) Game demo's aren't ready enough to be shown

2) Final design hasn't been decided on

3) Or Nintendo doesn't want PS4k, Xbox One Mark II and VR raining on their parade.

The latter point could be one reason; if your competition has a really good E3 they can throw a shadow over you and your reveal. With your own event you can get all the attention.

Good reason. I hope everybody sees this.

I find it weird that they've confirmed Zelda for NX, are saying Zelda will be the main focus of e3, but no NX at e3. Are they seriously not going to show off the NX version, and stick strictly to Wii U? Seems really weird to let us know there will be a better version coming, but not to show it off.

It's not weird though. If they're not showing off the NX why would you show of the games for it? They'll more than likely show off Zelda NX when they reveal the NX later this year.
 

jroc74

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Not only are people that stupid, they're deluded enough to think it makes business sense to enter a crowded market with the exact same pitch.

But you dont have to be so different that it alienates you from the rest of the market tho.

People want a Nintendo console that does enough of the same shit so as it doesn't die early.

People are funny like that.

Basically this.

The problem is that Nintendo is the only one that is different.

Sony "pc" and ms are the same.


In my opinion. Xbox should go pc only. It's useless to have 2 consoles doing the same thing. Xbox controller works on pc, they could stream it to tv. Thats why

Yea and look how thats working out for them vs Nintendo. It worked last gen, it didnt work this gen. Sony was smart not to go all in on motion controls. The DS4 = DS3, Move and Vita was a brilliant idea...regardless of battery life...lol. MS misread the market. But they at least dumped the Kinect anchor quick.

Meanwhile...over at Nintendo the Game pad is still an integral part of the system...that barely gets used for other than Off TV Play. I think a dev on here spoke about designing a game with Gamepad use in mind. It wasnt all peaches n cream. Especially when it comes to 3rd party.

MS designed the XBO with Kinect in mind but were able to back track. Nintendo seems to not be able to with the gamepad. Admire them for sticking to their guns but still....they should have moved on from that thing in 2014. Take the loss. And plan, market better with the next console.
 

AniHawk

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1) Game demo's aren't ready enough to be shown

2) Final design hasn't been decided on

3) Or Nintendo doesn't want PS4k, Xbox One Mark II and VR raining on their parade.

The latter point could be one reason; if your competition has a really good E3 they can throw a shadow over you and your reveal. With your own event you can get all the attention.

if you do have your own event later, you can also incorporate feedback and hype of those other platforms into the context of your own presentation. that way they don't come out with some pre-taped thing proclaiming the greatness of something when the day before, sony did something better. or if it was a conference, you don't have to scrap parts of it just because you're afraid of the comparison (which was their e3 2005 when electroplankton took the stage for the agonizing length of an average sony conference).
 

jehuty

Member
I personally think Nintendo is just going an "Apple" route with their next platforms and services. Why announce the NX at E3 and share the limelight with competitors (get lost in the sauce) when you can hold your own event and have the focus be solely on your products? It's something "Apple" would do, and I think Nintendo wants to be more like them. I think this move pays off for Nintendo. It's not like they have to hurry or anything, and with 4 devices comming out from competitors, a delayed approached seems like the safest and beneficial answer.
 
It's weird. The more I think about NX skipping E3, the more sense it makes.

Nintendo doesn't want to spend time and money on a conference that competes with all the other hardware announcements happening that week. But they also correctly believe a Digital Event isn't big enough to reveal new hardware. By having their own conference later in the year, they can solve these issues.

They don't want to announce a bunch of games that won't release until mid-to-late 2017 in June of this year, so they'll instead reveal many of those titles near the end of 2016.

Now, this all makes sense to me if Nintendo really does do a big, dedicated NX event in the fall. If they just reveal it via a Nintendo Direct or something similar, then skipping E3 still seems like a huge mistake.

I said it earlier in this thread or somewhere else, but I really think Nintendo should have their own big event every fall, like the Spaceworlds of old. Make it a global thing though, not just Japan-focused.
 
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