It's kind of amazing to me that every single source in regards to what the fuck NX is has dried up. You don't even hear rumors anymore. People felt so desperate for that controller leak to be real that they bought into 100% only to be made fools of. We haven't hit Square One again at this point.
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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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It's kind of amazing to me that every single source in regards to what the fuck NX is has dried up. You don't even hear rumors anymore. People felt so desperate for that controller leak to be real that they bought into 100% only to be made fools of. We haven't hit Square One again at this point.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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OneAndDone
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Care to deep a little bit on that? How are they rushing things? Is there anything else beside "it is x86, except not, but definitely not, maybe yes, oh, and it will play games!". Because that's all we really know at this point.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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Ten k said he has a separate twitter where he makes rumors. I dont follow it though Im in Zelda mode and done with rumors for now.. unless its Zelda e3 rumors lol
Chû Totoro
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Yeah I don't because it's not simple. Yet when the said API is made by Nintendo I'm sure they could make it compatible with both Wii U and 3DS. Not all features of NX will be supported for sure but the Nintendo Account or Miiverse could be the first element of NX ecosystem
Dude don't bother. He's been doing this for weeks. He is one of those gaf-experts. Best ignore him.
He can't help himself. He likes the attention I guess...
They are rushing things to get to the market. Considering some of their own leaked deadlines for next year they really have to step up their game or they will end up in another WiiU like situation.
Skittzo0413
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Is this insider info that you know or are you just assuming it's being rushed to market? It seems more like they're taking their sweet damn time with it, especially considering they're missing E3 AND the holiday window.
Ooh do tell! Which deadlines for next year?
OneAndDone
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Satoru Iwata specifically referred to GameCube as a failure (worthy of an exit from the industry), not a disappointment.
It's likely that Nintendo considered the N64 a failure as well, although they never openly said it, because Nintendo is a very Japan-centric company (after the Xbox handed GameCube it's ass in America, and even edged Nintendo out in "worldwide" totals, Iwata referred to Microsoft as a non-factor, entirely beneath his notice. PS3 was his competition, not X360), and the N64 had performed almost as badly in Japan as GameCube did. When Iwata was brought in prior to the GameCube launch, his responsibility was apparently to try and undo the damage N64 did to Nintendo in Japan.
Famicom = Huge Success
Super Famicom = Success (in that it held even)
N64 = Failure
GameCube = Failure
Wii = Huge Success (new definition)
Wii U = Huge Failure
Nintendo could have pushed Wii U up to "failure" from "huge failure" if they had pushed harder, but they reasoned that it was smarter to ride this one out.
And just one failure is enough to doom an otherwise great successor. While two failures in a row can be followed by a complete image change and a massive victory.
Fourth Storm
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Jesus H. Christ. Say it ain't so!
Mr. Pointy
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Is this about the SDK or their software line up?
So...what's causing this rush, exactly?
Dark Cloud
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He's been doing this for months it feels like. Not sure why he won't just calm down and relax.
ecosse_011172
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In terms of hardware, software lineup, development tools??
And this is, once LCGeek elaborates, with a delay to March as well. Things would have been an outright tire fire this holiday if this is true, no wonder they delayed.
Of course, this seems to run aground a bit with Emily's info, as she was much more bullish on the internal workings and software development (less so on the whole power war).
Of course, this seems to run aground a bit with Emily's info, as she was much more bullish on the internal workings and software development (less so on the whole power war).
Either the hardware isn't final yet or, like Wii U, the 3rd party dev tools are terrible again. Which, I just don't see how they managed to do that again.
I wonder if, when they refer to "their own leaked deadlines", "last 2 months behaviour", they're referring to things like NX's announcement for March + Trev's leak and other stuff we sort-of-know, since...the supposed delay to March kind of goes against rushing stuff to the market.
Hopefully, they clarify as soon as possible.
Edit: It also contradicts a bit what Emily's been stating for a while as well.
If they're on Vulkan and working with NVidia as much as other rumors indicate, I'd say this is unlikely.
Eolz
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I'd say it's closer to hardware not being final or documentation missing things rather than dev tools being shit from what we've been hearing.
Or possibly, games not being ready at all.
OneAndDone
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IIRC, there where several rumors pointing that the dev tools where quite nice, so, is the first option, or they are pulling something on the community....
Well... Shit. Maybe this really will end hardware for them...
Dark Cloud
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What "leaked deadlines" is LCGeek talking about? Sorry, but I don't put trust in this person just like the other handful of "NX leakers" have been wrong. It's cool if he/she got stuff right in the past, but the NX seems to be a different ballgame.
Vulkan's what, exactly? And for who?
I'd also guess hardware not being finalized, but I don't know how big of thing that is, exactly. We heard all of these things about how XBO would have melting units at launch, it didn't, and got a smidge of a bump at the end.
I don't think Nintendo gives a shit what their fans think in all honesty.
Well, if they can't sort it out and end up with another Wii U, I mean. If they need something like 35 million in sales to stay in the console business (based on the earlier comment that Nintendo considered dropping out after GameCube), a bad launch year is the nail in the coffin.
She's the only one of the leakers who has accurately leaked information on Nintendo hardware specs before. She's several cuts above everyone else, including Emily, combined.
I know I'm a bit late but my oh my my sides are hurting 😂😂😂
Yeah, I think people wanted to believe him in the last thread since NX CPU > PS4 & XB1 was what people wanted to hear.
Digging into what he posted as "proof" he gets legit info, it's not that convincing. He got a lot of the specs wrong as far as cache size and apparently there was already an article on IGN about the system using that processor that got pulled before he posted this "leak".
We should be more skeptical in general... if this sort of stuff was out there in the open we'd get some journalists reporting some hard info.
Pokemaniac
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Chû Totoro;205309244 said:Yeah I don't because it's not simple. Yet when the said API is made by Nintendo I'm sure they could make it compatible with both Wii U and 3DS. Not all features of NX will be supported for sure but the Nintendo Account or Miiverse could be the first element of NX ecosystem
You're really underestimating how much this is an "easier said than done" thing. Wii U and 3DS are getting some support for the new online services of course, but online services and OS APIs are two very different things.
She* And I believe that she has been verified. It would also be pretty elaborate to fake good news by pretending to be upset about it, then giving nothing but bad news otherwise. Besides that, Nintendo would pretty much have to go out of their way to put out a modern CPU that's weaker than PS4's.
Also, no respectable journalist is going to report on posts by a random forum member, no matter what their credentials may be. The big sites just don't have enough sources of their own on NX, and after that controller controversy they're going to be extra careful.
35 million for a console, really? For...what is presumed to have a shared library? That's a bit high.
So...I have to ask...what's Emily been bullish on about Nintendo, exactly? We know she believes NX to be similar to what they've done recently. So, I guess that means weaker specs, lower-cost plus a gimmick. She mentioned 4 ports: Zelda, Smash, Splatoon and Mario Maker and saying NX's first year lineup would neuter Wii U's entire lineup. Given how a lot of what she sends out is all connected/leads to something she's working on, I'd guess she's just talking about first party software and not anyone else's. Then again, I don't know how much she knows about third party support. It's been a straight focus on Nintendo.
Dark Cloud
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That onion guy was sworn up and down by people here that he knows his stuff and he ended up being wrong. This lcgeek person has not proven they know things when it comes to NX just like all the other "NX leakers".
Skittzo0413
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Before jumping to conclusions (Gaf's favorite game!) we should try to figure out if what LCGeek said was actually a "leak" or if she was referring to past information like Trev's leaked timeline, or if she meant something else entirely.
Hopefuly LCGeek will elaborate, because with great insider status comes great insider responsibilities when posting things that might be construed as insider info.
I think Nintendo can survive multiple failures, depending on the number and severity of them, so long as there's a reasonable expectation (by Nintendo's standards) of a light at the end of the tunnel.
But for the GameCube, 4 million hardware units in Japan, 22 million worldwide, 28 million pieces of software in Japan, 209 million worldwide... Iwata described that as "failure" and said that if they can't greatly exceed that bar (which the N64 didn't, especially not in Japan), then it's time to pack it up. There were times when Nintendo's finances would have been in the red because of GameCube's drain, but they were neutralized by stuffing the holes with GBA profits. Wii U pushed Nintendo into the red because there weren't enough 3DS profits to fill the larger holes.
NX might be a game-changer by merging consoles and handhelds, reducing costs or whatever, but I don't know anything about NX.
I said nothing about if they could survive or not. It's about if they'll even want to continue is NX isn't a smash-hit. It seems like Nintendo wants nothing less than to be the market leader.
Other crap and my own thoughts.
I don't think nintendo should hype a product up if its not due out till say 2017 September and beyond. If it's going for next year spring early summer that's something else. I'm only letting out my own thoughts E3, mainly so people won't see I'm backtracking. Gotta have some hope, oh yeah Mr.Finch I still got some.
SDK still sucks...... that you can bank me on. If nintendo or others out there have a problem. I dare some of you to show platform as is to enthusiast corners of the net they will laugh at this device if it's expensively priced. Which begs the question who the hell is this device for besides the faithful? The faithful exited the power debate years ago and sdk isn't just about specs it's about wielding what's inside as well which I don't hear anyone saying nintendo has really caught up or is doing a bangup job. Impress me I might shutup but my whambulance is going to come out during the summer when it's clear as day to rest of those out there paying attention. They have vagueries and I have legit questions. All these rumors claim xyz about abilities but can't even nail down certain aspects of the APIs that you should know if you had access. Even worse unlike Wii which I felt was more open nintendo regressed to n64 ninja level of sharing info between all parties. There's a reason sony and ms dominate this company. Not only is this strategy to me pathetic and built on nasty history of not learning from your mistakes but it pits devs against each other instead of unifying them. I'm asking to be crucified, yet I dare put up this flare now and well before most have any balls to themselves. They (gaming media and rumor sites) spent all their time the last two gens whining about specs instead of how software is built or the features that bring consumers together. Yet here we are another generation with nintendo, devs/publishers, and the gaming media are going to make another mega hype cycle that will fizzle out before it should.
Fine I'm harsh, but I don't lead others off a cliff I'd rather nintendo thrive than do whatever this platform is doing which at this point is meandering and timid.
Chew on that and I'm doing this cause certain know nothing haters have no real tech standards.
I'm not sure that's accurate. I think they want buckets of money. That usually comes with being market leader, but when it doesn't, Nintendo seems perfectly content to find a new blue ocean that does.
Sony and Microsoft seem more likely to spend money to try and gain marketshare (PS3's Blu ray, Xbox's everything), while Nintendo loses marketshare by avoiding roads that don't have obvious financial benefits. Of course, that could all change tomorrow.
Mr. Pointy
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So the SDK is shit. Fun times ahead, everybody!
PS> Some people have said it's easy to port XB1/PS4 games over. Is that still possible even if the APIs/SDK is bad?
PS> Some people have said it's easy to port XB1/PS4 games over. Is that still possible even if the APIs/SDK is bad?
So, an exact repeat of Wii U pre-launch where it'll release a year before it's ready, and several years after the hardware is acceptable? It sounds kinda like you're saying that it's exceptionally weak and hard to develop for. And officially they are aiming for March.
Maybe they are using Wii U's CPU again? :/
Calm Mind
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OH LAWD!
Mr. Pointy
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Maybe it uses 8 Denver cores or something?
Skittzo0413
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Thanks for clarifying! So it seems likely that third parties are again taking a huge backseat to Nintendo's first party interests, which probably isn't a good sign.
Do SDKs typically present final or semi final specs, or is that info withheld until the actual final dev kits go out? I'm curious what exactly about the SDK sucks, but I'm well aware that there's a limit to the amount of information you can share.
Mr. Pointy
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Don't be silly. It'll use 2 Wii U CPUs.
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