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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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Well that's certainly good.
Skittzo0413
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If I'm understanding you correctly, it seems like this time around Nintendo is actually taking the effort to improve how they create SDK tools and support over that of the Wii U, but it still has a very long way to go to catch up to how Sony does it.
Which is a good sign, as it seems they are beginning to take communication with third parties seriously, even if they have a lot of work to still do. Their actual attitude and focus in this area can tell us a great deal about what the NX will be like, moreso than Nintendo's official statements so far or these absurd rumors like that one from Digitimes.
It's very nice to get info from this perspective about how Nintendo works with their partners, it's always quite interesting. Thanks again for sharing!
Looks like the 3 chip sets from AMD were the Xbox One S, the Xbox One Scorpio, & (very likely) the PS4 Neo.
More fuel to the fire for the "NX Platform will use Nvidia chips" rumors?
More fuel to the fire for the "NX Platform will use Nvidia chips" rumors?
XboneS doesn't count as a new win, most likely. One of the wins is using an ARM CPU, so unless either that actually changed since 2014 or Scorpio is using an ARM CPU, we still have an unknown contract.
By the way, I want to point out that Emily never specifically said that NX is using an Nvidia chip, but rather that "future Nintendo hardware" will.
Schnozberry
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The XB1S seems to have different chips than the original, with newer features and slighly upgraded hardware. AMD would definitely count this as a design win.
Then what happened to the ARM win?
If the APU is just a die shrink, I don't think it would count.
Is that ARM design for a game console?
Mr. Pointy
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I though the S was a die shrink and clock speed bump.
Schnozberry
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It's definitely a gray area. If the die shrink allowed for higher clocks then that might explain the performance increase. The support for HDR seems to indicate updated features though.
The ARM win was announced as being outside the gaming industry, so I don't think that's Nintendo, but at the same time we don't really know for certain. I don't have any reason to assume AMD would outright lie to their investors, so I'll take their word.
Schnozberry
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That could be true for the core CPU/GPU elements, but they would have had to modify the UVD on the chip to support 4K Blu-Ray and HDMI 2.0. I'm really not sure if that counts as a design win or not.
TanookiTom
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The fact that both the PS4 and Xbox are getting follow-up consoles/mid-generation updates in 2017 is putting Nintendo in an even more difficult position. Even if the NX would kinda be on-par with the current systems (and looking at this thread and Nintendo's history this seems doubtful) it seems like NX is gonna start its life cycle again by lagging behind in terms of technology.
I can only hope Nintendo had anticipated the mid-generation refresh by their competitors. Maybe that's another reason for the rumored delay from 2016 to March 2017'?
I can only hope Nintendo had anticipated the mid-generation refresh by their competitors. Maybe that's another reason for the rumored delay from 2016 to March 2017'?
It's interesting that AMD considers XboneS and Scorpio as two new wins. This pretty much confirms that there is a slight increase in power of One S over One, which maybe leaves NX a bit behind both XboneS and PS4?
Also in my opinion this strengthens the theory that NX is powered by Nvidia.
Also in my opinion this strengthens the theory that NX is powered by Nvidia.
likely. Wait for the other two to pull their triggers and see where you sit.
Microsoft has now publically said they're aiming for 6TFlops.. so Nintendo will likely try to see how close they can get to that while still accomodating their low-profile designs, if they're interested in playing that game. Technically they just need to land somewhere between the One/PS4 and Scorpio/Neo and they benefit from everyone still targetting One/PS4.
Rajack
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Keep in mind that Emily has a very long history of lying and deception. She has rarely, if ever been right and some one with a legitimate source would not be shouting to the world the information and details that she is. It tends to have a pretty bad effect on reputation and trust. However fabricating things like she does is even worse.
Um her hit rate is pretty good?
The NX could also be an iterative console and I think most developers are going to be aiming for the base Xbone and PS4 anyway, so I don't think hardware power will be all that big a deal.
I think you need some receipts if you try to rewrite the history with bullshit like this.
Rajack
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She's hit on the obvious things, but everything else that she's "predicted" have failed to materialize
What has she predicted and failed to materialize?
I believe consoles usually use an off-chip HDMI controller (precisely to make these kinds of revisions easier). They could also in theory add an off-chip h.265 decoder, which would probably be cheaper than redesigning the SoC itself.
Even aside from anything else, I don't see MS using a new SoC in the XBOS because it doesn't line up with what AMD had previously said of their three design wins. Out of Scorpio, Neo and XBOS none of them use ARM and none of them could be described as "beyond gaming".
Probably the latter if I had to guess. Trev is just speculating now. If he had a source for his AND/Polaris claims, he would say so.
I think most people would agree that Nvidia is the much more likely suspect at this stage. To be honest, though, we're working on only the vaguest of evidence at the moment, and a month ago most of us would have bet good money on it being AMD, so I'm hesitant to make any definitive judgement one way or the other.
ShockingAlberto
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People really loved that ATI sticker on the Gamecube.
Chronospherics
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Sorry but I'm out of the loop, who is Emily rogers?
The one who leaked the voice acting in Zelda.
Can you give any examples? I can't think of a single example of her being wrong. Every one of her predictions has either been confirmed, or is TBD like the NX leaks, or NoA having a Mother 3 translation saved for a rainy day (Which other legitimate sources have corroborated).
I have no doubt Rogers is on the money here with the NX's power. It sucks, but there's no reason to doubt her.
A trusted journalist with a history of being in the know on these things.
Pretty sure the idea of releasing Mario on a platform that has maybe roughly 15M vs platforms that have over 60-70M consoles would offset that real quick.
Back to Square 1, I suppose. That being said, the AMD thing concerning the 3 console wins does help narrow things down.
Indeed, pretty much. Also the voice acting seems to be just the narrator.
Can we finally just declare she is not reliable and stop discussing everything she arrogantly and vaguely mutters about?
Although I'd love to know how she's defending her increasing profile of misses right now.
Even if there isn't a female Link, it was strongly considered. Everyone swore by the Gematsu leak from Smash because it was later confirmed that Chrom was considered, but didn't make it too far past the planning stage. We don't know how far Female Link got, but we know it went somewhere. Plus, we do have voice acting, at least in this trailer. I don't really see this as a mark against her.
This is also a fair point.
Vanillalite
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I'm more of the notion that GAF in general should go back to not discussing rumors.
It's not just the Emily thing.
It's everything around the games industry right now.
I get people like to spectulate. Hell I do too.
We probably should all just wait till info actually drops vs having threads like this though.
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