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[Stealth50]

Without a real graphical showcase like God of War 4 or Horizon launching this year it would've been a tough sell. Launching it with Horizon and having God of War 4 launch just about a month later will make for an exciting early 2017.

 

[Jeels]

So many people keep mentioning the existing sales. The vanilla PS4 is dead the second Neo releases. Nobody in their right mind is gonna buy an old outdated model when a new one that is 2-3x more powerful exists for a little extra $ more.

People really want them to pointlessly preserve a few months of sales? I think its stupid. There will be millions of eyes watching your event at E3. Its in NA as well were you sell a lot of consoles. Show off the Neo and start taking preorders so that you push millions out the door at launch.

Both Nintendo and Sony are making a mistake for not taking advantage of E3 marketing imo. Especially Nintendo.. who has no existing sales at all.

This isn't true at all, people buy last generation iPhones because they will be a hundred or couple hundred bucks cheaper. People also buy slightly outdated PC parts once they become more affordable to upgrade their rigs. Or they will receive them as hand me downs. The entire point of this is to build an ecosystem where people can upgrade every couple of years. You don't announce the product until the marketing lifecycle can begin and you aren't impacting the sales of current devices for a while. See - phones, laptops, tablets etc

 

[Captain Hero]

Huh, what did I play it on?

What about you guys? Anyone else here played Uncharted 4 on a console that looked and played great?

 

[Omnistalgic]

Yeah, it's just embarrassing how you become an outcast for even speculating that Sony might be doing something sub-optimal on Gaf.

I dunno man...I'm pretty much a Sony fan. Like I get a lot of stuff on PS and only PS. During PS3 era, you would say the opposite here no doubt, it was "MSGaf" or whatever. It's just the more popular console and currently Sony is dominating the hardcore markets in most territories. I would say the majority of GAF is fairly against Neo, and it is only recently that more people are warming up to it. When Neo speculation first hit, it was pretty much all negative. I don't think there is any bias, just natural changes of makers leaders and the type of consumer that's posting more.

- We don't know if this is a bad move
- We don't know if this will matter to most consumers
- We don't know if a more powerful platform just 4 years after launch (Scropio) is a good move
- We don't know what NX even is

I think it's best to just try and collect as much info as possible and realize how baseless most of our speculation is. I do think we are getting ahead of ourselves here because when it's all said and done, is the games that sell the hardware.

 

[XpAcErX]

After reading through several posts I have come to the determination that most people only read this line and proceeded to comment.

Andrew House has confirmed to the Financial Times that a PlayStation 4 Neo is in development.

Those people, you know who you are, need to read these quotes.

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” he said. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.”

“All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4,”

 

[StarStabbedMoon]

nothing will be revealed at e3 at this rate.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Without a real graphical showcase like God of War 4 or Horizon launching this year it would've been a tough sell. Launching it with Horizon and having God of War 4 launch just about a month later will make for an exciting early 2017.

All games after mid to late September must take advantage of neo. There will be plenty to show when Sony actually decides to show it off

 

[KinofChaos]

So many people keep mentioning the existing sales. The vanilla PS4 is dead the second Neo releases. Nobody in their right mind is gonna buy an old outdated model when a new one that is 2-3x more powerful exists for a little extra $ more.

People really want them to pointlessly preserve a few months of sales? I think its stupid. There will be millions of eyes watching your event at E3. Its in NA as well were you sell a lot of consoles. Show off the Neo and start taking preorders so that you push millions out the door at launch.

Both Nintendo and Sony are making a mistake for not taking advantage of E3 marketing imo. Especially Nintendo.. who has no existing sales at all.

this is not true at all, the cheapest sku will rule sales wise.

Without a real graphical showcase like God of War 4 or Horizon launching this year it would've been a tough sell. Launching it with Horizon and having God of War 4 launch just about a month later will make for an exciting early 2017.

All games will run on neo.

 

[PodcastFips]

Hardware is the most exciting though.

Need more hardware?

 

[Hexa]

All games after mid to late September must take advantage of neo. There will be plenty to show when Sony actually decides to show it off

Based on:

“All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4,”

Wouldn't that suggest that not all games have to take advantage of Neo's extra power?

 

[Jln1221]

You're not making any sense, and refuse to see other peoples point when countering yours. Fact is not everyone wants, or can spend $400 to $500 on a console. Those people are perfectly happy with a sub $300 or cheaper PS4. Neo is not aimed at those gamers. It is aimed at the gamers who want, and can afford an extra $100 to $200 on a console.

Look at sales number. They just don't back up your rhetoric. PS4 is still selling like hotcakes.

Do you think pc gamers stopped buying GTX 980s or GTX 970s when the 1080 was announced.

Some people might be hyped for it but not everyone will jump in right away. And even if everyone all of a sudden stop buying OG PS4 and start buying up Neo, what's the problem? Sony makes both!

If the choice is to buy a $300 console in winter to run games sub-optimally or buy a better $400 console less than a year later, I think some folks might just wait.. It's the same argument for the Wii U and NX.

 

[ZeroCDR]

Glad to know it's real at least, I sold my PS4 not too long ago in anticipation. The wait continues!

 

[Jln1221]

I dunno man...I'm pretty much a Sony fan. Like I get a lot of stuff on PS and only PS. During PS3 era, you would say the opposite here no doubt, it was "MSGaf" or whatever. It's just the more popular console and currently Sony is dominating the hardcore markets in most territories. I would say the majority of GAF is fairly against Neo, and it is only recently that more people are warming up to it. When Neo speculation first hit, it was pretty much all negative. I don't think there is any bias, just natural changes of makers leaders and the type of consumer that's posting more.

- We don't know if this is a bad move
- We don't know if this will matter to most consumers
- We don't know if a more powerful platform just 4 years after launch (Scropio) is a good move
- We don't know what NX even is

I think it's best to just try and collect as much info as possible and realize how baseless most of our speculation is. I do think we are getting ahead of ourselves here because when it's all said and done, is the games that sell the hardware.

And some reason my speculation means nothing because NPDS, it's absurd. We have no idea what microsoft is doing and I was simply asking why this makes business sense.

 

[DeepEnigma]

this is not true at all, the cheapest sku will rule sales wise.



All games will run on neo.

KinofSense right now.

 

[potatohead]

If the choice is to buy a $300 console in winter to run games sub-optimally or buy a better $400 console less than a year later, I think some folks might just wait.. It's the same argument for the Wii U and NX.

You're very confused if you think every person looking to buy a console fits into that one boat.

There's a different price that is right for all kinds of different consumers. It isn't one size fits all for everyone, sorry.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Based on:


Wouldn't that suggest that not all games have to take advantage of Neo's extra power?

That comment likely references that older titles will not be required to update and take advantage of neo. Thus, only the majority of titles will support it as more titles are going to be released going forward, in addition to many older games receiving support via patch

Yes. All the games that released before the Neo comes out do not have to have a Neo patch.

This time, han shot second

 

[RootCause]

Need more hardware?

To be fair, that's not what he meant by new hardware.

Thanks for reminding me I have one preordered. lol

 

[Han Shot First]

Wouldn't that suggest that not all games have to take advantage of Neo's extra power?

Yes. All the games that released before the Neo comes out do not have to have a Neo patch.

 

[Jln1221]

You're very confused if you think every person looking to buy a console fits into that one boat.

Specifically said "some folks".

 

[OsirisBlack]

Tinfoil hat time.

Did they get wind of Scorpio's specs and decide to make adjustments? Surely not.

Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

There is no adjustment there have always been two pills one blue and one red.

Imagine if MS announces the 6TF Scorpio at E3, good bye PlayStation, not only will they be totally screwed in NA in sales but also WW. You really fucked up Sony!

Joke Post?

What about, like...the games?

Spill on Andromeda and I will reciprocate. =)

 

[Lady Gaia]

There's no reason to unveil the console until you're ready with the marketing push. When a whole new generation starts you have to do so early enough to give developers a chance to show off titles that don't run anywhere else. The situation is different this time with no Neo-exclusive software.

I do think it'll get announced in time for releases that support Neo mode to show it just prior to release. So a September announcement seems likely, with a ship date plausibly by year's end. Picking November again wouldn't shock anyone,

 

[KinofChaos]

KinofSense right now.

 

[Audioboxer]

Yes. All the games that released before the Neo comes out do not have to have a Neo patch.

According to the leaked docs though those released in September must have a patch, which eluded to the feeling in the month it comes out games need to get a patch. So technically possible to buy the console one day, and 5 days later have a new PS4 game come out without a Neo mode (until patched). Very small window of overlap basically.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

I think the decision [if true] not to show Neo wasn't arrived at easily. Here's my thing though, if PSVR is a focus then clearing up Neo details would make more sense. Sony is targeting hardcore games with VR, at least to trojan horse PSVR into households for a wii effect. Sony is counting on the hardcore for PSVR, and the people ready to buy PSVR well know that the vive and oculus are considerably more expensive VR solutions. If the hardcore knows neo is coming, and now we have 100% proof it exists, wouldn't it make sense to get that thing out there for the overlap of players also interested in PSVR? Simply confirming the neo with nothing else, kind of allows for imaginations to continue running wild.

 

[Elginer]

Glad to see all PS4 games will indeed work on the old PS4

 

[Hexa]

If the choice is to buy a $300 console in winter to run games sub-optimally or buy a better $400 console less than a year later, I think some folks might just wait.. It's the same argument for the Wii U and NX.

I think there will definitely be people like that but I think you're overestimating how big they are. The majority of gamers with such a mindset are probably mostly PC gamers. Considering that this is the first console generation where the clearly most powerful console has also been the best selling, I don't think console gamers in general care much, especially those jumping into the game so late. I think they largely care more about price, and $300 seems to be the tipping point for many based on last generation sales trend.

With the Wii U->NX situation it's different in that NX games will not be supported on Wii U but all PS4 games will be supported on both normal and neo.

 

[potatohead]

Specifically said "some folks".

Then you know that argument doesn't apply for good sales for PS4 and Neo moving forward.

Good then. You solved your own mystery of the strategy. Well done.

 

[Han Shot First]

According to the leaked docs though those released in September must have a patch, which eluded to the feeling in the month it comes out games need to get a patch. So technically possible to buy the console one day, and 5 days later have a new PS4 game without a Neo mode (until patched).

Games like Infamous: Second Son do not have to have a Neo patch, therefore House can't say every game will take advantage of the hardware. I think that's what he was getting at...

 

[therealbigrich]

So many people keep mentioning the existing sales. The vanilla PS4 is dead the second Neo releases. Nobody in their right mind is gonna buy an old outdated model when a new one that is 2-3x more powerful exists for a little extra $ more.

People really want them to pointlessly preserve a few months of sales? I think its stupid. There will be millions of eyes watching your event at E3. Its in NA as well were you sell a lot of consoles. Show off the Neo and start taking preorders so that you push millions out the door at launch.

Both Nintendo and Sony are making a mistake for not taking advantage of E3 marketing imo. Especially Nintendo.. who has no existing sales at all.

completely agree though it they may have some reason for not announcing fully . From the outside looking it it makes me think a lot tech followers wont buy a PS4 until more info is released on the neo.

 

[KinofChaos]

Specifically said "some folks".

You said "Sales will tank". Some folks sure but not enough to have much effect on overall sales.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

There is no adjustment there have always been two pills one blue and one red.




Joke Post?




Spill on Andromeda and I will reciprocate. =)

Will neo have a Dragoon mood that changes it red and causes all system sounds to be from the LoD sound effects? 😂😂😂

 

[Audioboxer]

Games like Infamous: Second Son do not have to have a Neo patch, therefore House can't say every game will take advantage of the hardware. I think that's what he was getting at...

Yeah, sorry, I agree with that. Was just saying it's possible for a game to come out after Neo and not actually have a Neo mode (for a short amount of time).

Old stuff isn't getting patched 90% of the time.

 

[qa_engineer]

Based on:


Wouldn't that suggest that not all games have to take advantage of Neo's extra power?

Would it matter that a 5 dollar indie title go through process of implementing higher res textures etc.? Would anyone actually care if launch titles like KZ:SF or Knack received a graphical boost? Seems like wasted time and effort on the development front if you ask me. I would imagine sony would mandate NEO support for games in development after a certain date and a lot of popular first party titles. Third parties with games already out in the wild or have been developing a games before a specific date may not have to follow a specific TRC.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

What are the chances that Sony lets MS announce their console first to see how the audience reacts?

 

[LurkFish17]

Nah, dev kits are out. I wouldn't expect any drastic changes if I were you

Wasn't there a story out about how the ps4 was only 4 gigs of ram until shortly before launch?

 

[Jln1221]

Then you know that argument doesn't apply for good sales for PS4 and Neo moving forward.

Good then. You solved your own mystery of the strategy. Well done.

SonyGaf everyone.

 

[MakeMeFeelAlive]

Interesting. I guess gamescom or another shown? I can see them dropping the ps4 price at e3 and unveiling the ps4k at 399.99 later on. I don't have a problem with their approach in unveiling it. They acknowledged it and moved on. I also prefer that they don't kill off the regular ps4 also. The more people who buy regular ps4s the less likely we'll have games built for ps4k with ps4 as an afterthought

 

[RexNovis]

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of games are often presented on PC's at higher resolutions than current consoles can perform i.e. watch dogs, witcher 3, division

Ok so dismissing fit the fact that Somy has a reputation for not doing this and running love Demos on actual HW this gen if your rebuttal is "everybody does it" then why on earth would that impact sales? You're basically arguing against your own point. If something is so commonplace it wouldn't impact sales. You keep shifting your arguement so much that it's to the point where you're essentially disproving yourself now.

 

[mjc]

Wow, a lot of you guys have gone off the deep end lol

The Carnival of Stupid is back in town, gotta love E3.

Hasn't come around these parts since this time last year. The kids love it!

 

[KinofChaos]

Wasn't there a story out about how the ps4 was only 4 gigs of ram until shortly before launch?

Upping ram is drastically different then changing CPU/GPU specs.

SonyGaf everyone.

lol

 

[Han Shot First]

This time, han shot second

Damn you Greedo!

 

[Omnistalgic]

So many people keep mentioning the existing sales. The vanilla PS4 is dead the second Neo releases. Nobody in their right mind is gonna buy an old outdated model when a new one that is 2-3x more powerful exists for a little extra $ more.

Both Nintendo and Sony are making a mistake for not taking advantage of E3 marketing imo. Especially Nintendo.. who has no existing sales at all.

i disagree. I don't think a ton of people will go for a Neo at say $500 over a base at half that. You are bunching a ton of consumers into a tiny tiny mindset.

"The vanilla Ps4 is dead when Neo hits" is likely a mindset of the hardcore gamer, not the mainstream market. Games are what sell hardware, it isn't the other way around.

 

[Corto]

This will be the best E3 ever!

 

[Audioboxer]

What are the chances that Sony lets MS announce their console first to see how the audience reacts?

Very slim. E3 isn't as make or break as some gamers think (as long as you don't announce a DRM box). This is also coming from someone really disappointed they aren't announcing it. MS can do some damage now if they play their cards well, but E3 isn't going to end in disaster for Sony if they refuse to immediately act to a Scorpio announcement.

SonyGaf everyone.

Cmon man stop doubling down. As much as I was poking a bit of fun at you it was also a genuine bit of advice. Carrying on like that each time you don't agree with a rebuttal that comes your way won't get you far. Once or twice the board can take it as a joke, constantly, and it gets annoying.

 

[Jln1221]

I think there will definitely be people like that but I think you're overestimating how big they are. The majority of gamers with such a mindset are probably mostly PC gamers. Considering that this is the first console generation where the clearly most powerful console has also been the best selling, I don't think console gamers in general care much, especially those jumping into the game so late. I think they largely care more about price, and $300 seems to be the tipping point for many based on last generation sales trend.

With the Wii U->NX situation it's different in that NX games will not be supported on Wii U but all PS4 games will be supported on both normal and neo.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to be a ton of people. E3 just killed my hyper boner because everything shown is just going to run better on new hardware.

Is it confirmed NX has no backward compatibility?

 

[Jln1221]

Ok so dismissing fit the fact that Somy has a reputation for not doing this and running love Demos on actual HW this gen if your rebuttal is "everybody does it" then why on earth would that impact sales? You're basically arguing against your own point. If something is so commonplace it wouldn't impact sales. You keep shifting your arguement so much that it's to the point where you're essentially disproving yourself now.

Because we KNOW sony's not showing new hardware, we do not know the same for microsoft which is the basis of the argument.

 

[Han Shot First]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to be a ton of people. E3 just killed my hyper boner because everything shown is just going to run better on new hardware.

What are you basing this on?

Is it confirmed NX has no backward compatibility?

I don't think much about NX is confirmed besides it exists in some form.

 

[PeterLegend]

If they do increase the specs then great lol.

But they're trucking along selling a ton of regular PS4s with this decision.

 

[yuraya]

This isn't true at all, people buy last generation iPhones because they will be a hundred or couple hundred bucks cheaper. People also buy slightly outdated PC parts once they become more affordable to upgrade their rigs. Or they will receive them as hand me downs. The entire point of this is to build an ecosystem where people can upgrade every couple of years. You don't announce the product until the marketing lifecycle can begin and you aren't impacting the sales of current devices for a while. See - phones, laptops, tablets etc

Consoles aren't phones. or laptops. or tablets. They are devices you spend hundreds of hours playing video games on. This gen has pretty much proven that the best performing multiplats with the resolution and framerate is what matters. That is all what everyone is talking about. Why would you buy a $300 1.8 tflop console when you can buy a 4.2 tflop console for $400? You'd have to be a complete idiot to choose the 300$ model. Even if goes down to 250 its still a stupid deal. The Neo will probably have a bunch of future proof features like 4K support etc and it will perform better with VR.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

I assumed they would just replace the PS4 with this model and phase out the older model but this wording suggests otherwise. It makes no sense to have 2 distinct pieces of hardware with close prices. Either the original PS4 is going to get really cheap or this will be 500+ dollars.