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[Ravidrath]

Just because Neo won't be on the show floor doesn't mean it won't have a place in their press conference.

I wouldn't be surprised if the presence was just an announcement of the plan, release date, and some 60 FPS footage of Uncharted 4 alongside 30 FPS footage.

 

[DangerMouse]

My suspicion and hope is they won't be spending a lot of time of PSVR either this E3. At this point it's beating a dead horse when dragging it on stage yet again. Show it off at a more public event like Gamescon and TGS. I doubt the mass media will care anyways; sites like CNET said, via Jeff in the Beastcast, that their traffic for VR content is so low that they don't talk about it anymore. It would be smart not to waste too much time on VR on the big stage.

By show it off I think most people just mean new game announcement trailers like they did at PSX (Ace Combat, Rez, etc), not the time-consuming demo they tried to do at PSX.

 

[jacobeid]

Disagree. Streaming has it's flaws for critical viewing, from servers, to your network performance, etc. There is a distinct difference in quality between a UHD BR vs streaming. Not to mention the audio options. Look how many people want it, they just don't want that overpriced junk Samsung player. Once those players hit the $100-200 range, they will take off. Streaming has it's place, and that place is not the best experience, but rather a convenience.

Yup, the audio is especially important to me so streaming isn't always great.

 

[Nephtes]

I think given that PSVR is the push for Sony this Christmas it makes sense for them to not unveil Neo from a marketing perspective...

My question is, what were Microsoft's E3 conference plans for Scorpio yesterday ... and what are they today?

Does Sony's decision on Neo change the calculus on unveiling iterative hardware now, or not?

I believe Microsoft's goal for Scorpio is to be the fastest new console on the block. If they risk unveiling it, would Sony change their current Neo plans to make it even faster than Scorpio?

It's like Game of Thrones and consoles... and shit, even Jon Snow is in CoD this year...

Winter is coming...

 

[StrongBlackVine]

That's why it could easily get worse.

It could get worse, but that will be on the developers if they choose to deliver a subpar product. I have feeling the studios that have deliver well optimized games will continue to do so and the ones that have delivered shit....don't buy their games.

 

[SMattera]

Disagree. Streaming has it's flaws for critical viewing, from servers, to your network performance, etc. There is a distinct difference in quality between a UHD BR vs streaming. Not to mention the audio options. Look how many people want it, they just don't want that overpriced junk Samsung player. Once those players hit the $100-200 range, they will take off. Streaming has it's place, and that place is not the best experience, but rather a convenience.

No one cares about quality.

Even to this day, DVDs outsell Bluray discs in many markets.

IHS had a report that in the UK, in 2015, there were almost 5x as many DVDs sold as blurays.

 

[Insane Metal]

Interesting article about Neo in EDGE called ' Apocalypse Neo'

A few quotes about the problems devs will be facing:



And

So it will make making games for the PS4 even more expensive/demanding. More delays, more companies closing doors and so on.

This is the future right here!

:|

 

[Movalpolos]

My suspicion and hope is they won't be spending a lot of time of PSVR either this E3. At this point it's beating a dead horse when dragging it on stage yet again. Show it off at a more public event like Gamescon and TGS. I doubt the mass media will care anyways; sites like CNET said, via Jeff in the Beastcast, that their traffic for VR content is so low that they don't talk about it anymore. It would be smart not to waste too much time on VR on the big stage.

There will be a decent amount of PSVR stuff. It's coming out this year. There is no dead horse.

 

[BradleyLove]

Yeah 60 million is the obvious target, crazy all the other talk.

How do you do a post count by poster, I just cannot seem to do it.

On the main forum view of threads, the replies count for a thread is clickable. That gives a post count by user breakdown.

 

[Jln1221]

Just because Neo won't be on the show floor doesn't mean it won't have a place in their press conference.

I wouldn't be surprised if the presence was just an announcement of the plan, release date, and some 60 FPS footage of Uncharted 4 alongside 30 FPS footage.

I like this idea because it addresses the elephant in the room without having to do a full reveal. Seems plausible.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Blue - lower spec Neo at $399 price point
Red - higher spec Neo with upgraded CPU at $449 to $499 price point

Wait...what? Two PS4 Neo versions? WTF?

 

[DeepEnigma]

That's why it could easily get worse.

We had the most stable performing games this gen compared to last on average. One can argue even the gen before that as well.

That doesn't make much sense if all games are compatible any way. Aren't the requirements that all games have to work on both systems, and all games starting in October have to have a Neo mode? If what you're saying was right, there would be no need for the second rule, as the first would cover it if they didn't mean there has to be a difference between the two.

EDIT: Oh, also, wasn't it part of the leak that all games are required to run in full 1080p in NEO mode?

That is why you listen to official talks when they happen, and not 'leaked documents' that have been spewed in 'Layman's'. It makes it more confusing. 'Neo mode' just means the software needs a Neo executable to run on both systems... Not a better graphics demand. That has always been conveyed as optional.

Do not remember full 1080p, but it should have the horsepower to do so since most OG games now run at 1080p. I believe over 90% at least. I do remember they cannot perform worse than the OG version, regardless if it pushes higher fidelity.

There are Neo devkits out in the wild - it's far too late to change the spec on it, and trying to beat Scorpio without another year of price reductions would guarantee that it'd be insanely expensive.

They can up the clocks. Has happened before (MSFT with XBO, Sony with PSP, etc.). And it was a min spec'ed (clocked) Polaris at the time of the 'leaks', since then, AMD released (will be the 29th of this month) a higher clocked card with the same chip on it (5.5TF). The clocks can still change.

Scorpio uses the same chip (Polaris), and the rumor was just that of what the max clocks that chip could push (6TF at max).

 

[Ravidrath]

I believe Microsoft's goal for Scorpio is to be the fastest new console on the block. If they risk unveiling it, would Sony change their current Neo plans to make it even faster than Scorpio?

There are Neo devkits out in the wild - it's far too late to change the spec on it, and trying to beat Scorpio without another year of price reductions would guarantee that it'd be insanely expensive.

 

[Calm Mind]

I expect new price cut during same time like last year. Sometimes during September, on the same day as some notable bundled game release.



fixed [with Neo being achieved by only adding new APU and nothing else being changed [ram can be clocked]].

I think the Neo will be cheaper than that, I think they will aim for $399. Polaris tech seems to have come in cheaper than expected.

$500 seems like a lot, granted, we don't know all the changes, but yikes. :0

When Andrew House says "high end", you best believe it will exceed the price of what has already been available to the mass market for nearly 3 years. $499 minimum is the best you could hope for with a statement like that.

 

[Liamc723]

Just because Neo won't be on the show floor doesn't mean it won't have a place in their press conference.

I wouldn't be surprised if the presence was just an announcement of the plan, release date, and some 60 FPS footage of Uncharted 4 alongside 30 FPS footage.

When they say it won't be at E3, that includes the press conferences.

There will be no Neo talk whatsoever.

 

[Movalpolos]

I am well aware. All of the Sony games I am looking forward to work on PS4 and do not have to justify an additional $400 expenditure. There is more hype than substance right now. Sorry if not pretending to be excited is impolite.

It's not impolite it's just short-sighted.
But VR is something most people will have to try first in order to understand.
That is the biggest hurdle.

 

[RealityPales]

Good. More time on the games.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Not sure what out there can prove that

Money and common sense? Devs want their games on the platform that will buy the most copies. That will be regular PS4 and X1 even in 2019. If a game runs bad it's probably just the developer, and might run bad on Neo too.

 

[Nephtes]

When they say it won't be at E3, that includes the press conferences.

There will be no Neo talk whatsoever.

You say that, but I fully expect that crowd at Sony's conference to be chanting "Neo! Neo! Neo!" by the end of it...

It would be masterclass levels of prosumer PR genius if they planned for that and at the end of their conference say, "You want Neo? Well okay... here it is." And unveil it that way...

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Wait...what? Two PS4 Neo versions? WTF?

There will not be two different versions of the Neo. Sony has two different versions of the Neo (at difference price points) that they are considering.

You say that, but I fully expect that crowd at Sony's conference to be chanting "Neo! Neo! Neo!" by the end of it...

It would be masterclass levels of prosumer PR genius if they planned for that and at the end of their conference say, "You want Neo? Well okay... here it is." And unveil it that way...

Unless this is a joke you will be one of first people saying you were disappointed in the conference when this fantasy doesn't happen.

 

[Jln1221]

Money and common sense? Devs want their games on the platform that will buy the most copies. That will be regular PS4 and X1 even in 2019.

I am saying, what can prove that new games coming out for the PS4 and neo will still perform well on a PS4. I agree with most everything else you wrote.

 

[Liamc723]

You say that, but I fully expect that crowd at Sony's conference to be chanting "Neo! Neo! Neo!" by the end of it...

It would be masterclass levels of prosumer PR genius if they planned for that and at the end of their conference say, "You want Neo? Well okay... here it is." And unveil it that way...

Do you seriously expect a crowd made up of journalists to chant something...?

This isn't PSX.

 

[therealbigrich]

Wait...what? Two PS4 Neo versions? WTF?

He is just pointing out the two possible scenarios that they could introduce the system

 

[Nephtes]

Do you seriously expect a crowd made up of journalists to chant something...?

This isn't PSX.

Did or did not the crowd made up of journalists last year go batshit insane when FFVIII remake was shown at E3 2015?

Edit: how about I wouldn't be surprised if they were chanting for Neo?

 

[Calm Mind]

I'm all for promoting this narrative in a completely non-serious fashion if it means more silly Scorpio gifs and less fan anxiety and system wars crap.

Ask and ye shall receive

 

[StoopKid]

So can this play 4K Blu-ray Disc?

 

[Deleted member 471617]

There will not be two different versions of the Neo. Sony has two different versions of the Neo (at difference price points) that they are considering.

Oh, okay. Any info on the differences between the two different versions?

 

[geordiemp]

I am saying, what can prove that new games coming out for the PS4 and neo will still perform well on a PS4. I agree with most everything else you wrote.

if a developer releases a game for 3 million Neo owners and it runs like shit for the potential 60 million existing ps4 / xb1 owners, then they wont be around for long anyway and it will bomb and be ridiculed.

Remember assassins creed unity - yes it ran like crap - game did well didnt it (LOL) and the series started to die. Yes you are right, I am sure one or 2 games will fail this way no doubt, and they will get what they deserve.

Stop worring about this, common sense will prevail. Game makers like money. When Neo numbers >>> Ps4 in 4 years time, you can worry about you OG ps4

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Did or did not the crowd made up of journalists last year go batshit insane when FFVIII remake was shown at E3 2015?

A game that people have been begging for over a decade compared to the announcement of hardware upgrade that has been somewhat divisive so far. This is a very poor comparison.

Oh, okay. Any info on the differences between the two different versions?

Not much other than the higher spec version having a much better CPU.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So can this play 4K Blu-ray Disc?

All signs point to, yes.

 

[family_guy]

No one cares about quality.

Even to this day, DVDs outsell Bluray discs in many markets.

IHS had a report that in the UK, in 2015, there were almost 5x as many DVDs sold as blurays.

Is the DVD copy included with Blu-rays used in the numbers?

 

[Jln1221]

if a develper releases a game for 3 million Neo owners and it runs like shit for the potential 60 million existing ps4 / xb1 owners, then they wont be around for long anyway and it will bomb and be ridiculed.

Remember assassins creed unity - yes it ran like crap - game did well didnt it and the series started to die.

I agree but I'm not saying its a guarantee. There are a bunch of cross gen games that run horribly.

 

[Liamc723]

Did or did not the crowd made up of journalists last year go batshit insane when FFVIII remake was shown at E3 2015?

Edit: how about I wouldn't be surprised if they were changing for Neo?

No, they didn't go "batshit insane", there was some cheering and a lot of clapping.

To even suggest that people would chant for a console is hilariously dumb.

 

[El-Pistolero]

Interesting that he said it's "in development". Doesn't sound like something with finalized specs that would be ready for fall launch.

My guess is Scorpio scared them, and they refuse to come in underpowered.

Quite funny! I almost fell for...Oh wait! Were you serious?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I agree but I'm not saying its a guarantee. There are a bunch of cross gen games that run horribly.

Hyperbole. This gen has had the best running/performing games on average in comparison to last gen. Digital Foundry can attest to that.

Paging dark10x.

No one cares about quality.

Even to this day, DVDs outsell Bluray discs in many markets.

IHS had a report that in the UK, in 2015, there were almost 5x as many DVDs sold as blurays.

We heard this same shit when DVD's were young... CD's, etc..

It is not that people do not care, it is that DVD's are in the 99 cent bins.

Enough people care for companies to invest and continue to sell said high definition products.

 

[Nephtes]

Unless this is a joke you will be one of first people saying you were disappointed in the conference when this fantasy doesn't happen.

They unveil it, they don't unveil it... makes no difference to me.
I'm just saying, if they did unveil it in that manner it would play very well with the prosumer crowd on NeoGAF... not necessarily the average customer who's like "but I already own a PS4..."

 

[dead monkey uk]

So can this play 4K Blu-ray Disc?

Not known yet and as game developers can not use 4k blu-rays for games we may not find out till final specs are revealed.

 

[Jln1221]

Hyperbole. This gen has had the best running/performing games on average in comparison to last gen. Digital Foundry can attest to that.

Paging dark10x.

Are you saying games in general run better now compared to last gen? I agree! I'm saying games like mgs IV and evil within which were cross-gen ran pretty terribly on older consoles.

 

[otakukidd]

I agree but I'm not saying its a guarantee. There are a bunch of cross gen games that run horribly.

Those are 2 completely differently written games when talking about cross gen. This is same game but both can play it.a comparison would be, gta5 ran great on ps3 now it's even better on ps4. Games will be boosted up like that and not down ported like destiny.

 

[Liamc723]

They unveil it, they don't unveil it... makes no difference to me.
I'm just saying, if they did unveil it in that manner it would play very well with the prosumer crowd on NeoGAF... not necessarily the average customer who's like "but I already own a PS4..."

Why would a crowd of journalists chanting Neo and then Sony revealing it at the end work well for a NeoGAF audience?

Is this your first E3 or something?

 

[Jln1221]

Those are 2 completely differently written games when talking about cross gen. This is same game but both can play it.a comparison would be, gta5 ran great on ps3 now it's even better on ps4. Games will be boosted up like that and not down ported like destiny.

Even more to my point, how do we know how consistent the performance will be for old ps4 users. Just saying its not a guarantee that it wont have a significant impact on gameplay

 

[SMattera]

We heard this same shit when DVD's were young... CD's, etc..

It is not that people do not care, it is that DVD's are in the 99 cent bins.

Enough people care for companies to invest and continue to sell said high definition products.

Except Bluray is not young. It's been around for 10 years.

DVD overtook VHS in 2002, 7 years after its introduction. And by 2005, DVDs 10 year anniversary, VHS was extinct.

 

[Steve McQueen]

Edge hasn't been good for awhile. But that's off topic.

Well sony in the FT said the opposite, they said it would be very little work to accommodate both.

So who do I believe, Sony...Edge.....Sony....Edge....

Who would know more, I just dont really know, might have to do some more research...

Edge are a joke nowadays.

The article has both pure speculation and inaccuracies. It's not 'great' unless you just want someone to rubber stamp your own pessimism.

Almost everything they cite there applies to PC gaming and yet the game industry seems to still exist and isn't already a pile of smoldering ash.

you guys read the full article yourselves?

 

[El-Pistolero]

Tinfoil hat time.

Did they get wind of Scorpio's specs and decide to make adjustments? Surely not.

If surely not, why did you have to mention it? Do you honestly think that the only thing they think about, to the point of becoming obsessive, is to launch a more powerful plateform? Do you think that the PS4 has destroyed the Xbox One because it was the more capable system of the two, when a multitude of variables -price, timing, marketing, brandname, exclusives...) have to converge to make or break a console?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Are you saying games in general run better now compared to last gen? I agree! I'm saying games like mgs IV and evil within which were cross-gen ran pretty terribly on older consoles.

You are comparing apples to oranges at this point. Not even the same hardware ecosystem.

A better comparison would be a PC game running on a 980, then lower resolution and graphical settings but still great framerate/performance on a 7870.

Except Bluray is not young. It's been around for 10 years.

DVD overtook VHS in 2002, 7 years after its introduction. And by 2005, DVDs 10 year anniversary, VHS was extinct.

So what are you arguing? Bluray is not going anywhere, and will just continue to grow, and prices come down.

The adoption rate timeframe, they knew would be slower due to disc cost. But in no way is it to be 'written off' as 'no one gives a shit'.

 

[Nephtes]

Why would a crowd of journalists chanting Neo and then Sony revealing it at the end work well for a NeoGAF audience?

Is this your first E3 or something?

Attended or payed attention to?
First attended was 2005...

And I'm saying here in GAF we're all gaming enthusiasts... I assume anyway that we are. So we're not exactly the average consumer. We're prosumers...

Unveiling new game hardware from the big 3 plays well among the enthusiast crowds. People get excited about console announcements... hence my statements.

If either company shows off new hardware... it will be met with excitement here on GAF.

I'm talking Scorpio or Neo or NX... not a slim version of a current model.

 

[Jln1221]

You are comparing apples to oranges at this point. Not even the same hardware ecosystem.

A better comparison would be a PC game running on a 980, then lower resolution and graphical settings but still great framerate/performance on a 7870.

I'm not sure how to be more clear. There is no guarantee that the ps4 neo to ps4 will run as smootly as you purport. I understand you're saying it's simple but in practice these things generally arent as simple as that. We wont know until they reveal it and release it.

 

[Liamc723]

Attended or payed attention to?
First attended was 2005...

And I'm saying here in GAF we're all gaming enthusiasts... I assume anyway that we are. So we're not exactly the average consumer. We're prosumers...

Unveiling new game hardware from the big 3 plays well. People get excited about console announcements... hence my statements.

If either company shows off new hardware... it will be met with excitement here on GAF.

I'm talking Scorpio or Neo or NX... not a slim version of a current model.

If you've actually attended an E3, that makes it even worse.

I struggle to believe that you genuinely think a crowd of journalists would chant to see a hardware upgrade.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm not sure how to be more clear. There is no guarantee that the ps4 neo to ps4 will run as smootly as you purport. I understand you're saying it's simple but in practice these things generally arent as simple as that. We wont know until they reveal it and release it.

So there is not point in wasting energy on said FUD now is there?

 

[Jln1221]

So there is not point in wasting energy on said FUD now is there?

Haha actually, all the more reason to

Was just responding to guy who said it was guaranteed