Disagree. Streaming has it's flaws for critical viewing, from servers, to your network performance, etc. There is a distinct difference in quality between a UHD BR vs streaming. Not to mention the audio options. Look how many people want it, they just don't want that overpriced junk Samsung player. Once those players hit the $100-200 range, they will take off. Streaming has it's place, and that place is not the best experience, but rather a convenience.
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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Disagree. Streaming has it's flaws for critical viewing, from servers, to your network performance, etc. There is a distinct difference in quality between a UHD BR vs streaming. Not to mention the audio options. Look how many people want it, they just don't want that overpriced junk Samsung player. Once those players hit the $100-200 range, they will take off. Streaming has it's place, and that place is not the best experience, but rather a convenience.
mysteriousmage09
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Every game shown will be the Neo versions anyway whether they show the hardware or not.
DangerMouse
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Huh?
Not doing it at E3 doesn't mean they can't do it at their own event again like the PS4 if they wanted to or do it at Gamescom which would be closer to a Fall launch anyway and better for price cuts to the original system.
KinofChaos
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What advantage? Showing scorpio a long time before launch won't impede PS4 sale sin anyway
Movalpolos
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Nope.
Lool
Movalpolos
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They have nothing releasing this year.
StrongBlackVine
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Sorry, but his original comment about the multiple specs and price point is months old and he has way too many posts to search for it effectively. His post from today is not in the search engine yet so you'll have to read through this topic to find it...
Can't say for sure, but he was definitely implying that it is still an option.
How? The rumoured release date is Fall 2017. Neo is rumoured late this year early next year.
I expected it will be the same time as PSVR.
Obscuritas
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Neo would steal some attention (and costumers) away from PSVR, that's true, but the lack of its announcement at E3 doesn't exclude a fall release at all.
InquisitorAles
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They have Xbox One Slim
Steve McQueen
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Interesting article about Neo in EDGE called ' Apocalypse Neo'
A few quotes about the problems devs will be facing:
And
A few quotes about the problems devs will be facing:
And
KinofChaos
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How is that going to "Steal the show"?
Movalpolos
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They won't release it this year. This year is for PSVR.
I'm just going to keep repeating that because it's the only thing that makes sense.
It's the only thing that ever made sense.
StrongBlackVine
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A slim isn't gonna steal the show.
THE:MILKMAN
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I agree that 4K gaming would be a rare thing but I came across the below PDF from Samsung the other day. I only post it now to show why some would expect 4K gaming.
http://www.samsung.com/semiconducto.../SolutionBrief_for_Consumer_GameConsole-0.pdf
It is from March/April so I assume this is referring to Neo?
Obscuritas
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A neverending era made of cross-gen/poor-optimized games, basically.
DeepEnigma
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Very good points.
He means 'advanced features'. They do not have to add additional graphical tweaks, the game can basically be the same as the OG version.
It can run games in 4K, now the fidelity of said games is another argument.
Hell, Okami was rendered in 4K on the PS3, and then down-sampled to 1080p.
Hero_of_the_Day
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This part seems really weird to me. The leak said Sony was demanded every game from October on to have a Neo mode. I wonder if they've let up on that demand or something, 'cause it doesn't make much sense for him to be speculating on how much support it will have if they're demanding it has full support.
ScaryShark
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The hardware is capable of running games in 4K? Lol no it's not. What a terrible, chicken little article.
I wonder how EDGE thinks a game ever gets released on PC.
Hale-XF11
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Well, if they have a prototype ready, at the very least they could show off the new system and announce a partnership with say, Oculus, to bring VR to their platform. That would certainly grab some headlines.
Omnistalgic
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Thread is kinda embarrassing. So much hyperbole. People scared it's going to ruin gaming. Sony is scared of a "scorpion". "PS4poor" has been quoted more than once. So much baseless speculation, it's actually kinda entertaining, In the weird "watching someone get run over by a train I can't not look" way.
My sympathies go out to the worried people I guess. If I was 15 with nothing better to do and didn't have my own money I can see that thought process being easy to fester. One way to think about it is PS4 will always have the larger market share, extremely low chance of any games running bad on it because of an enhanced system, particularly for the next couple years, because games aren't just released in a few months as we know. we are worried about some potentially bad direction that won't even show up for another 1000 or more days? Guys I don't want to quote scriptures on you, but goodness, why stress yourself out over what "might" happen? I've seen people post "I'm furious at this iterative stuff Sony is doing". How can you be mad over something that hasn't happened? That's just not healthy people. This is a hobby we obviously are passionate about, but let's get some perspective. Even with Sony documenting all these guidelines so the user base isn't fragmented, the power is still in you the consumer. You can tell Sony or MS I don't want this thing by not buying it, and they, along with deva will focus on base models. Never forget consumers as a whole are in control when it comes to goods and services.
Please gaf, please just go and play some video games and let's get normal again. It's not so bad, I promise. E3 is our personal holiday ;-) just for geeks that play video games. We're all special...let's join hands my friends, good things are on the horizon.
My sympathies go out to the worried people I guess. If I was 15 with nothing better to do and didn't have my own money I can see that thought process being easy to fester. One way to think about it is PS4 will always have the larger market share, extremely low chance of any games running bad on it because of an enhanced system, particularly for the next couple years, because games aren't just released in a few months as we know. we are worried about some potentially bad direction that won't even show up for another 1000 or more days? Guys I don't want to quote scriptures on you, but goodness, why stress yourself out over what "might" happen? I've seen people post "I'm furious at this iterative stuff Sony is doing". How can you be mad over something that hasn't happened? That's just not healthy people. This is a hobby we obviously are passionate about, but let's get some perspective. Even with Sony documenting all these guidelines so the user base isn't fragmented, the power is still in you the consumer. You can tell Sony or MS I don't want this thing by not buying it, and they, along with deva will focus on base models. Never forget consumers as a whole are in control when it comes to goods and services.
Please gaf, please just go and play some video games and let's get normal again. It's not so bad, I promise. E3 is our personal holiday ;-) just for geeks that play video games. We're all special...let's join hands my friends, good things are on the horizon.
Movalpolos
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4K scaling is not the same thing as 4K native.
The Artisan
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i don't get it, what's turning you off?
StrongBlackVine
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If PC can thrive with hundreds of specs then I'm sure consoles can handle two. It's not like game this generation have been properly optimized any way.
Well that could be suggesting I guess that some old games might not work without patching.
errrmmmm. Not sure if I should make this comment, but I think its odd MS is going to release a slim model and then next year release a more powerful machine. I feel like that is a mistake. Just ride out the XB1. The uninformed MS fans are going to purchase the slim and be like, "wtf" next year. Kind of shady imo.
Steve McQueen
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It's EDGE. I think they are very well informed. It's a great article.
Movalpolos
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Good point.
And I'm pretty sure most of the hardcore gaming audience isn't using XB1 anyway.
Probably a concession to smaller devs and indies. And there's also the question of if they'll have enough devkits to go around to every PS4 developer ahead of the PS Neo launch.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Yeah, that was my only guess. But, it's already known that old games would require a patch to get use out of the extra power (but they'll all be playable). There's no way in hell most developers are going to put in the work for old games.
That doesn't make much sense if all games are compatible any way. Aren't the requirements that all games have to work on both systems, and all games starting in October have to have a Neo mode? If what you're saying was right, there would be no need for the second rule, as the first would cover it if they didn't mean there has to be a difference between the two.
EDIT: Oh, also, wasn't it part of the leak that all games are required to run in full 1080p in NEO mode?
Movalpolos
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Edge hasn't been good for awhile. But that's off topic.
geordiemp
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Well sony in the FT said the opposite, they said it would be very little work to accommodate both.
So who do I believe, Sony...Edge.....Sony....Edge....
Who would know more, I just dont really know, might have to do some more research...
Edge are a joke nowadays.
3rdamention
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Lol, well he could easily ask you "Prove to me that Sony knows nothing about Scorpio and they only know what we know, when we know it!" It goes both ways man!
THE:MILKMAN
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I see no mention of scaling in the PDF. Just 4K gaming and 4K resolution and UHD.
I know and you know this is just Samsung selling their GDDR5 RAM but some would read that as fact.
RickyRozay
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Guessing that also means we wont be seeing any games running in NEO mode.
Obscuritas
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That's why it could easily get worse.
Rellik
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Slightly annoying for me since my PS4 disc drive broke and I'm waiting for this so I can buy a new one. Pointless buying a regular PS4 with this around the corner.
My suspicion and hope is they won't be spending a lot of time of PSVR either this E3. At this point it's beating a dead horse when dragging it on stage yet again. Show it off at a more public event like Gamescon and TGS. I doubt the mass media will care anyways; sites like CNET said, via Jeff in the Beastcast, that their traffic for VR content is so low that they don't talk about it anymore. It would be smart not to waste too much time on VR on the big stage.
ScaryShark
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The article has both pure speculation and inaccuracies. It's not 'great' unless you just want someone to rubber stamp your own pessimism.
Almost everything they cite there applies to PC gaming and yet the game industry seems to still exist and isn't already a pile of smoldering ash.
StrongBlackVine
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You can be sure they will specify games that are captured on PS4...and people will still say it is Neo footage any way.
Not sure what out there can prove that
CrispyBoar
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nvm
LordOfChaos
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PC games leave settings to the users to make sure they run at an acceptable clip. Some auto detect your hardware, sure, but autodetection isn't particularly good.
On consoles on the other hand, it's still going to be developers who have to play test each build multiple times, find problematic performance areas, and go from there.
And who says multiple asset qualities aren't more work, at any rate?
" It's not like game this generation have been properly optimized any way"
So make them worse?
I am well aware. All of the Sony games I am looking forward to work on PS4 and do not have to justify an additional $400 expenditure. There is more hype than substance right now. Sorry if not pretending to be excited is impolite.
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