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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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thelastword
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If MS is going to release a new console, there's no way Sony should announce theirs before them. Sony has the marketshare, the mindshare, the most powerful console, the best selling hardware and software each month. It is on MS to make a move, it makes no sense for Sony to launch an iterative console first and relinquish the most powerful hardware to MS. So if they want to play a "1up you" game on hardware, I think Sony has more leverage since they currently don't have much to lose by waiting it out and seeing what MS is bringing to the table. I'm sure they catered to a console that would beat Scorpio, hence why OsirisBlack mentioned they were thinking of a beefier console at $500.00, this is also the reason House said it would be more expensive. It seems to me that Sony has opted for the more powerful console than the baseline NEO specs, it appears that they are going to upgrade the CPU just as much as the GPU. Anybody who thinks this console is going to be $400 is kidding themselves. I think it will be $500.00, it's a perfect price for tech enthusiasts who wants the best. If they delay, they may have a choice of beefing up the GPU to a 40-64CU part as well. Time will tell.
Do you?
Neuromancer
Member
This is disappointing news but I suppose it makes sense. It would probably make it harder to promote the PSVR while simultaneously trying to promote a new beefier machine. I am guessing maybe Neo won't be out this year anyway so there's no rush.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
And if that is a lock now and not going to change would you agree with me that game cases will have Neo (or whatever it is called) mentioned on there? Spec/feature enhancements and the like?
For me this means it will be revealed at least a month before that date (in-line with previous slims) i.e. Gamescom at the latest.
Sure but Andrew House did only state they won't be showing it, didn't he? Sony didn't show PS4 at its comprehensive reveal, neither. Major Nelson even made fun of the fact.
This is uncharted territory though. I don't remember another time where a president of a (console) company has confirmed a new product to state they aren't revealing it yet?
tareqsalah1
Member
People who think this is good news for xbox are wrong.if xbox talks about scorpion then sony only needs to one up them during psx.
Sony knows what they r doing.
Sony knows what they r doing.
Pathfinder
Member
Out of curiosity, how would Sony be able to one-up them if their Neo hardware design is already established?
Probably won't happen
BradleyLove
Member
I'm not expecting dual-branding on game cases, I expect them to mention "PS4" and that's it. I do expect the game features boxes on the back to state "enhanced for Neo" or similar, in the way games currently state number of players, supported resolutions, etc.
exmachina64
Banned
Probably not coming out till 2017.
based on what?
geordiemp
Member
Nothing is established until its in full production.
Dev kits are a minimum spec most likely....Sony can do what they want .
Its not queensberry rules, you can tell devs what your plan is, you can change it. They already said they had 2 options in the leak.
Sony have only told us its name and its more expensive.
Pathfinder
Member
It's just that easy, eh?
Aceofspades
Banned
Sony should design the hardware carefully to not piss off the devs. I highly recommend sticking to the exact same APU design with beefier GPU and higher clocked jaguar CPU. PS4 games should run natively on the new machine no extra work needed. also games enhancements should be scaled easily to Neo. they are winning the hardware battle already and having the mindshare, they should keep this instead of battling MS on a mere 30% rumored difference in power.
Absolutely nothing - huah!
geordiemp
Member
Never said it was, all we know is the osiris leak that they have 2 OPTIONS for the NEO being considered and evaluated.
Why do you set in stone, is that what you want ?
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Makes sense.
The bold makes no sense given the 21st September date for Neo-enabled titles though. How does it work that games enhanced and programmed on a 2.1GHz Jaguar+36CU Polaris dev kit *right now* if the Neo comes out say March next year and has Zen?
Also Andrew House stated they have costed Neo into this years financials and said it won't loose money. This surely is coming sooner rather than later. Given the above spec I expect $399 max unless they put a SSD in or something.
geordiemp
Member
Sony should design it to sell to consumers. Your right with the GPU, but if the CPU is crap then they will probably loose customers to MS as the Neo will struggle to run some games well enough imo
geordiemp
Member
If zen runs same APU as jaguar, maybe its not an issue, also it depends how far Zen is along with AMD and Sony. Remember zen is coming out in 2016 as well supposedly.
If its Jaguar and 399 max, current Ps4 is 350, may as well ditch the OG Ps4, what is the point of having 2 consoles 50 $ difference ??????
What is the purpose of the Neo, if its struggles to hit 60 FPS in many games, Phil will be laughing and stupid Sony is back. Phil was right in teh interview he had, whats the point of a half baked upgrade.
There are 2 performance targets, 1080p30 and 1080p60. No AAA games are 4K.....Ps4 does the first comfortably and sometimes the second for some games. Where should Neo sit ?
People need to think about what the Neo is for. If its just for better AA and AF at 1080p30, some nice LOD's / shaders etc and low dev work, thats great for MS. Sign me out, pointless.
PS4 will likely drop to $299
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Very strange to announce a new PS4 that is more powerful but no price (just costlier) and no release date all while selling current PS4 systems. This could be something Microsoft could use to their advantage. I say Microsoft keep their mouths shut about anything in regards to Scorpio and just come out with a redesigned XBox One Slim for $249 or $199 at E3.
Dyson Industries
Banned
I don't think PS4 will have any problem selling, somehow.
really doubt an Xbox one slim is less than $299 especially if it supports 4K (media not games) as rumored
It wasn't announced, it was just verified to exist. An official announcement would actually have price and availability.
geordiemp
Member
You still not answered the question, what is the purpose of the NEO ? What does the extra achieve ?
Ps4 does 1080p30 comfortably for most games, it cant get near 1080p60 for games like Witcher 3 as its CPU is CRAP.
Neo also will not do 1080p60 for Witcher 3 (dev allowing) with a 30 % improved CPU Jaguar IMO - thats not an enthusiast console, so what is it ?
If scorpio does, then its switch time.
The next performance level is obvious, 1080p60 CAPABLE for all 3rd party games. Where the hell is Cerny.
Aceofspades
Banned
they should sort their priorities, I think people are really overestimating the importance of "Power" in the console space, they might lose a very small number of enthusiasts to MS. That won't compare to the headache of increased burden/costs on the developers. also I doubt Neo/Scorpio will run games on 4k so performance differences will be extra few fpses higher on Scorpio or more stable fps on MS machine (giving that rumored specs are true). I feel its not worth it to destroy your good will with the developers or even your current userbase.
It seems like Sony is considering this which is a very good thing, the interesting part is what MS is willing to do with supporting X1.
EDIT: I want to add that historically, Playstations always sell based on their overall brand power WW. MS having a more powerful system won't change this fact at all. People are just familiar with the brand and very comfortable with it, that's why their consoles always sell 80m+ and considered the most successful gaming brand in history.
get2sammyb
Member
Sometimes, some of you guys take the competitive angle of this industry way too far. All these little Sony can one-up this and Microsoft can one-up that comments are crazy.
Realistically, both companies will have roadmaps of what they want to do, and outside of minor details, they'll follow them.
Not everything is a boxing match.
Realistically, both companies will have roadmaps of what they want to do, and outside of minor details, they'll follow them.
Not everything is a boxing match.
JuanLatino
Member
do we know for sure that Sony is not Chaning the CPU? Because OsirisBlack said Sony is thinking about a stronger CPU
Louis Cyphre
Banned
It's still confirmation it is indeed coming.
I chose to respond only to the price question. I don't care to speculate about why Neo exists
geordiemp
Member
Power 4 TF, 5 TF, 6 TF it does not matter if games are running slowly with a Jaguar CPU.
Power is not the only important factor, good hardware design is, and a bottleneck design is not good for running games.
Allot of people switched 360 to Ps4 this gen, I was one, MS want them back, if Neo does not run games like an enthusiast would expect...then goodnight.
"A few extra fps" on an entire PS4 worth of extra resources?
Aceofspades
Banned
People always bring the issue of these weak Jaguar CPUs and yet the most impressive games I have seen this gen is on PS4. Uncharted, the Order and Driveclub.
What makes you say that Jaguar CPU is not suitable for 4TF GPU? do you make games? I believe that there are some smart people at Sony/MS who would know when if Jaguar CPU is good with the GPU or not.
I'm not the one to judge that, since I know nothing about making games.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I disagree. PS4 reveal left out price, specific release date (stated "holiday" '13) and didn't show the box.
Bottom line is that FT article has been on every gaming and tech site and even casuals know about it. When the first rumours came through the very next day I had the casuals at work questioning me before I could even get to inform them!
Weirdly I don't think it will affect sales of PS4 much at all, though.
Well said.
Movalpolos
Banned
They commented in making a more powerful box before sony did. They already have not kept their mouths shut. They have been vocal about it.
some of these fucking comments man.... lol
DangerMouse
Member
Nailed it.
Jean Valjean
Member
Hey guyz...
Remember that back in 2013 Kaz said, about the next-gen console: "why go first if your rival can see what you did and thus do better himself?" or something like that...
And then, the next month... BOOM! We had the PS meeting that revealed the PS4.
What if... WHAT IF... what if Andrew House is mimicking 2013 Kaz and Neo is really revealed at E3?
Probably won't happen, but one can dream, right?
Remember that back in 2013 Kaz said, about the next-gen console: "why go first if your rival can see what you did and thus do better himself?" or something like that...
And then, the next month... BOOM! We had the PS meeting that revealed the PS4.
What if... WHAT IF... what if Andrew House is mimicking 2013 Kaz and Neo is really revealed at E3?
Probably won't happen, but one can dream, right?
Exactly. Sony never said Neo would be at E3. Fans just made that up, then they all went on a forum and repeated it to each other over and over until they convinced themselves that it was reality. Even when their made up story is disproven, they still assume that they were right all along and oh, Sony is actually scared and they delayed Neo. That must be it! Please.
Sony and MS are both simply continuing to work on their products and will announce them when they're ready.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Lol, not once has Microsoft confirmed they are going to release a beefier XBox One, lol. Some of these people need to get their facts, lol.
...lol
and what do all your impressive games have in common i wonder ?
I was thinking that if PS4 Neo is targeted towards the more dedicated gamers who want the premium experience, why not make other upgrades to give us the whole package?
In addition to beefier GPU/RAM speed etc, it would be cool if they could include at minimum a 1TB SSHD, and something akin to an elite controller.
In addition to beefier GPU/RAM speed etc, it would be cool if they could include at minimum a 1TB SSHD, and something akin to an elite controller.
I'd rather just have a 2-4TB regular ass hard drive than a SSHD TBH. the 2TB in my current PS4 is almost full
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They both use Polaris. The same chip that is on the 480 card releasing. Gies decided to cling to the max clock Flop performance on that current chip of 6TF. The 480 is a higher clocked Polaris (making it 5.5TF) than the earlier rumored spec leak of Neo.
After testing more, getting thermals in tune, there is nothing stopping Sony from upping the clocks speeds of the earlier than 480 clocks of 911mhz, and matching the speeds needed to produce similar Flops as MSFT's rumored goals.
Remembered, MSFT increased clocks to what they safely felt their chip could bare shortly before launch on the XBO.
Specs are not final until it ships. And even then, can always be adjusted in firmware after, like they did with the PSP.
Well, if it is the same Polaris chip in the 480, like people have discovered with some detective work, then yeah. As it is much easier than a whole new APU design obviously. But that is no longer what is going on here.
The difference between the 480 and the Neo chip is the clock speeds that translates the Flops (4.2 for Neo, 5.5 for 480).
Remember, XBO also upped the clocks to their comfort zone shortly before launch.
Polaris clocks can be pushed much further than the 'min spec' that was leaked about Neo well before the 480 final spec release.
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