Yeah. I mean most other games out there choose to do the later and their results aren't exactly stellar.
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Yeah. I mean most other games out there choose to do the later and their results aren't exactly stellar.
Mr.Fletcher
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I must say, and this is a generalisation, I don't see many hardcore God of War fans coming in here saying they are overjoyed the series has almost completely abandoned its roots and (potentially) jumped ship from a dying genre.
There's so few character action games and from the looks of it we have now have one less.
It's all well and good people coming in here and saying they needed to change it up but I'd wager there's a lot of fans (a good portion of the millions of people who made God of War a success to begin with) who are feeling a little bit left in the cold.
Let's not dance around the issue, turning God of War into father/son action game with RPG elements is a radical departure.
Different isn't always better. Fans have every right to feel unsure at the moment.
Personally, I'm not bothered. I adored the original trilogy and could have easily gone back for more, but commend them for going down a different path.
I trust Cory and expect we'll get an incredible game, but will it be a God of War game like we've come to expect? Probably not.
There's so few character action games and from the looks of it we have now have one less.
It's all well and good people coming in here and saying they needed to change it up but I'd wager there's a lot of fans (a good portion of the millions of people who made God of War a success to begin with) who are feeling a little bit left in the cold.
Let's not dance around the issue, turning God of War into father/son action game with RPG elements is a radical departure.
Different isn't always better. Fans have every right to feel unsure at the moment.
Personally, I'm not bothered. I adored the original trilogy and could have easily gone back for more, but commend them for going down a different path.
I trust Cory and expect we'll get an incredible game, but will it be a God of War game like we've come to expect? Probably not.
I honestly dislike everything I've heard but the thread shows people want this change. Never liked crafting systems. I come to God of War for huge gory fights and the combat to match. This trailer shows him fighting one or two enemies where he used to have 20, I'm not getting the excitement.
Acquiescence
Member
Has it been explained yet what the circumstances are behind the different mythology? It's the same Kratos from previous game right? So has he been transported to a different realm or what the hell is going on.
Dictator93
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But is that the closest analogue based upon what we have seen so far? Just the basic way the combat looks in Viking Battle for Asgard and the Camera angle alone are more like Darksiders... new GoW combat decidedl looks more ryse like: hit hit hit, cinematic ender upon proper button press along with being behind the shoulder. Ryse also had some sort of "roman bad ass meter" which made you do awesome one hit cinematic enders immediately (like the spartan rage thing they showed off on the horned giant).
Stereogatari
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"Father and Son: THE GAME".
Feral Gingy
Banned
Ocarina_117
Banned
You've put how I feel into words.
Everything I hear about the game disappoints me more. None of it is what I want from God of War. It's been years since a mainline console sequel (I don't count ascension), this isn't how the game should have returned.
Make a new I.P, GoW is the last game that should have had TloU themes forced upon it. It all feels too artificial and corporate to me - like some suits in a room sat and thought TlOU was N.D's great new I.P, how can we Mimic it? Days gone feels the same.
Maybe if I stop thinking of this as a GoW game I may garner some excitement for it.
The greater kick to the balls comes as a HUGE character action game fan. GoW was different from current offerings and I really dug the fixed camera angle. Here's hoping for some DMC 5 goodness at e3.
That is basically classic GoW. Also, the Spartan rage meter thing has always been a thing in GoW too.
The only real comparison I see with Ryse is the camera position.
Callibretto
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Hit,hit,hit, cinematic ender is basically the same as GoW.
You hit monster until they're weakened which will prompt the O button for cinematic kills.
You hit monster until they're weakened which will prompt the O button for cinematic kills.
I wouldn't like the change if they didn't out so much effort into the original formula already. GoW 1-3 is a great trilogy that wrapped up well. Ascension is kind of a swan song that focused on improving the combat. But after that, that story, mythology, and game design was tapped out. Can you honestly say you'd be excited to see Kratos jam his blades of chaos into yet another minotaur's mouth?
God of War was the only mindless, over the top bloodfest I enjoyed, one of the my eagerly anticipated games actually.
Sure this may be a great game, but it's not like there is a shortage of crafting elements in games at the moment, or parenting simulators, while I don't see a new God of War anywhere around.
Damn.
Sure this may be a great game, but it's not like there is a shortage of crafting elements in games at the moment, or parenting simulators, while I don't see a new God of War anywhere around.
Damn.
Samir Sedlar
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Reading this really breaks my heart.
I think the son is dead and is his ghost that follows kratos, if you see the trailer again the kid never hurts anything on his own, when you shoot the deer is kratos that's holding his hands and same goes when using the knife, when the giant troll said wait i think the kid got scared cause someone else could see him
I agree in everything that you wrote and that is why I am puzzled why they didnt make this a new IP or present it like a spin off game in the universe, with a different Nordic warrior (similar to Kratos) as a main character.
Again the crowd would go nuts from the reveal and probably even hardcore God of War fans would be more interested in the game rather than currently scratching their heads.
By continuing the story, Kratos killed the pantheon of the Greek gods and even the mighty Zeus, the strongest of all the gods, and now how realistically is that he can die from a simple troll or a low level monster?
And the build of rage mechanic when he want his child to do something? I dont even want to go there.
GeordieMark
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Its a really brave move to make such a significant departure from the formula that made GoW popular, but something needed to happen as it was done to death.
Why must devs persist with bloody crafting though? I've yet to come across a game with fun crafting, and it rarely adds anything worthwhile.
Why must devs persist with bloody crafting though? I've yet to come across a game with fun crafting, and it rarely adds anything worthwhile.
The last of us, loved crafting them shivs lol
Very likely. Kratos stabbed himself with that blade able to kill gods at the end of GoW3. It seems like he let out all of his inner godliness in order to restore harmony to the world.
Mr.Fletcher
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Maybe not, but I could have been excited for another character action game which brought in a new protagonist, new world, new combat system and moved the genre forward in interesting ways.
I have no issue with the change, the original trilogy was exceptional and became a victim of its own excellence.
As a total package - combat, puzzles, platforming, exploration, boss fights - no game scores as highly across the board.
But I'm playing devil's advocate and trying to acknowledge the fact that fans have every reason to be put off.
Disappointed fans aren't saying they just want more of the same, they just want something that resembles what made the originals so beloved begin with.
Again, I have no issues, but it's kind of sad to see some none fans come in here and say changes were desperately needed.
There's still nothing like God of War and it sold millions to boot. It wasn't a spent force.
Just watch a recap of the story on youtube before starting 3 as the end for 2 is what sets the beginning for 3
Feral Gingy
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You should play GoW and GoW 2 first. The others aren't that important imo.
paradise_circus
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that's bullshit imo.
ascensions expanded the common gow formula even more and changed the setting. it wasn't drastic and still set in ancient greece, but it was different.
the overall same formula in different mythology wouldn't do it. even though I loved ascensions. another game in the same formula with orbs, flashy combos and even faster combat system would be even tiresome for me. Changing the artstyle from mediterain settigs to nordic snowy hills would be simply lazy.
some of us noticed this too. the weapons used are all iced themed and the hunting suggests that it could be related to skadi.
@new infos
the shoulder buttons reminds me of a more souls like approach for the combats :O
Yeah you can play it with minimal pre-reading.
GoW1: Kratos was a warrior that Ares took a fancy to. He saved Kratos but turned him into his war slave. Kratos had to do Ares' bidding but his family was becoming a distraction. Ares tricks Kratos into killing his family so that Kratos can spend all of his time as Ares's warrior. A shaman lady castes a curse on Kratos for his awful deeds and his family's ashes are bonded to his skin, which is why his skin is pale white. Athena and the other gods ask you to kill Ares because he is becoming a real problem. In exchange, they promise to wipe the slate clean for his past. Kratos agrees because he wants the nightmares and visions to end. He kills Ares, but the gods don't wipe away the visions. They tell him he cannot forget what has happened even if he is forgiven for it. He is given Ares' empty seat as the new God of War.
GoW2: Kratos takes the war job too seriously and Zeus has him killed. Kratos climbs out of Hades and vows to kill Zeus. After a lot of adventuring, he has his chance to kill Zeus, but Athena sacrifices herself to save Zeus. Zeus then goes off to Mount Olympus. Kratos uses the Sisters of Fates to bring back the Titans back to his time to help him defeat the gods.
You are now ready for God of War 3.
Old God of War games were hit, hit, hit, mini-game cinematic finisher. The "Roman bad ass meter" that you're referring to is a carry over from the original God of War and all those that followed.
If say that Ascension made a lot of changes to the combat and the response was overwhelmingly negative.
Thank you for you answers guys.
Could you please Pm me the recap you watched ?
In all the God of War games the battles were fluid, with lots of enemies on screen at any time, with combos and on-the-fly changes in your weapons which dynamically changed your arsenal and strategy on the arena. And finally the QTE finishers for the stronger enemies were a great reward for the player and designed in a way that didnt ruin the fluidity of the battle.
The combat system wasnt as advanced as Bayonetta or Devil May Cry but it was a very rewarding system when mastered, I dont know if you have played the GoW games in their harder difficulty level.
Maybe the new GoW is still early in its development, but what they showed us is probably very basic combat. They even hided the QTE prompts, so we dont really know how much of what we seen is real time combat or press X and then press O. If they had something more advanced they could show it in a trailer for a few seconds, but the way the camera is I think that it limits them in reproducing the combat mechanics from older games.
Dictator93
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Are you sure? I am pretty sure when I played god of war 2 the basic non hero sized enemies could just be killed and obliterated by basic attacks without the pop ups. Weren't all the kills in this demo bideo cinematic ender kills?
see above?
As I say above... is that really the thing for every enemy type? Soldiers just got walloped in GoWII when I played it. That is all the video they showcased showed iirc.
Doesn't that increase damage and attack speed? Here it activated a cinematic sequence of him climbing it ala a boss kill in previous games with button prompts?
Perhaps I am being obtuse and this is instead what they meant by "TLOU DNA being in every game or something", but it is not just the camera angle... rather the pacing, the serious dour tone, the "feels" moments coupled with arguably arbitrary QTEs and XP giving (the bow aiming seqeuence with the son, the rage meter partially filling because...because...). Perhaps that is not Ryse-like... but then what is it like? What is the best analogue? I do not think it is previous GoW games.
Hell no. Best thing about GOW is experiencing the graphical upgrades going from 1 --> 2 --> 3.
It's amazing.
Vicetrailia
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Man I'm not interested in the son element at all. But at least it should still be epic.
Also I hate Kratos new voice.
Also I hate Kratos new voice.
NavyPharaoh
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God of War is one of my favorite series too and I welcome the change. Something had to change for the series to survive.
How many games have we used the chains now? It has become old. That's why Ascension fell flat, the combat mechanics of old have been worn out. How many times can you lose all your shit just to regain them through the game again? The combos remained the same for 6 games, we can replay the old games if you want the old combat
The GOW community was already torn on whether Kratos should return. I was one that wanted to see him go, but with the new direction I don't mind his return now. But if the gameplay would've stayed exactly the same in a new mythology would that be good enough? We've played 6 games already in that vein. I must've replayed all of them at least twice. I like the way they are trying to innovate on a proven IP instead of churning out a game that looks like its soulless in following a formula (like the other GOW looks)
It's the same voice.
I skipped Ascension fiuu... And i loved GOW 3 back in 2010. One of the best opening sequence of all time.
Well this game seems to take control of the camera a lot.
wapplew
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You should check out his Yakuza zero story, so epic.
https://www.twitch.tv/easyallies/v/72504026
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Primethius
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The son firing the arrow into the troll was an example of the "son button", yea?
That looked pretty cool. Electric arrows too. Wonder what other elements will be in the game. Ice and thunder are kinda expected/necessary.
Hopefully Mjolnir is in the game. I wanna rock thunder the entire time, on everything.
That looked pretty cool. Electric arrows too. Wonder what other elements will be in the game. Ice and thunder are kinda expected/necessary.
Hopefully Mjolnir is in the game. I wanna rock thunder the entire time, on everything.
DistortionOfReality
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Maybe boy missed the big guy because he was distracted. He stood on broken ice, though.
Well unless you die haha
Awesome! will watch it now.