thekiddfran
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This console will be a collossal waste of money.
Got to get them upressed 960p images I suppose?
Got to get them upressed 960p images I suppose?
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[Update: Phil Spencer says no 4K mandate, devs can make 1080p game with Scorpio]
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Well, not quite so for sure necessarily, depending on other resources in the system. And how the dev is making the game and dealing with framerate.
A 1080p output downsampled from 4K will look better than XB1 output. It might not be how you would choose to spend those resources if you were targeting 1080p with that power as a baseline, however - it wouldn't give you the same results, the same per pixel complexity and 'richness' as leveraging that power at a 1080p target. But it'll give a cleaner image.
Transistor
Banned
It's like they're trying to do everything possible to keep people from buying Xbox consoles.
Whatever is happening right now with console hardware, the transition is going to be ugly. This seems so strange to me. And to think they have already managed to fuck up their messaging, when the whole point of announcing the console was to control the messaging over the next year.
This seems like a blunder. Wonder if we can expect them to respond. Feel like I've time traveled back to 2013, reading an article headline about MS thinking "what are you doing?"
And saying it's a premium device that will cost more than the current models, one of which is 399...yikes
This seems like a blunder. Wonder if we can expect them to respond. Feel like I've time traveled back to 2013, reading an article headline about MS thinking "what are you doing?"
And saying it's a premium device that will cost more than the current models, one of which is 399...yikes
Killer Queen
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Pretty sure devs didn't ask for more power simply for 4k console gaming.
no xbox S sitll 720p-900p sub 30 fps
there is no additional power beside a really small bump for HDR
So, will the Scorpio just play games in "original Xbox One mode" if it detects that a user's TV resolution is 1080p? "Scorpio mode" will just be for user's with 4K TVs? That's the only way this statement can make sense to me.
I mean, you can still see improvements in Xbox One games over Xbox 360 if you have a 720p TV. Same was true for 360 games vs. Original Xbox for people with 480p TVs.
I really don't get why it's so hard to keep their messaging clear about improvements that should be pretty straightforward.
I mean, you can still see improvements in Xbox One games over Xbox 360 if you have a 720p TV. Same was true for 360 games vs. Original Xbox for people with 480p TVs.
I really don't get why it's so hard to keep their messaging clear about improvements that should be pretty straightforward.
Neuromancer
Member
What a bizarre interview. What about all the stuff they said about VR?
Requirements for games will get higher inevitably, also the GPU relies on a CPU - these are not parts of a computer that live on their own.
Again, current gen games are already struggling with the low CPU power - there will be a different CPU.
14nm to mature? The GPU will be 14nm, the Xbone S will be, Neo will be, a PS4 slim will be. What do you want to mature? It will be a challenge for a big APU, of course, but I really don't see that as a big problem as Scorpio will launch fall next year.
Movalpolos
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S has no resolution bump for games.
The more options you give devs, the more complex it gets for them to support everything. Arguably it will be simpler for them to take an XB1 game and run it at the same detail level but at 4k instead of 1080p. Maybe the tools MS is providing makes that even more straightforward and transparent?
Also fits into what MS wants the marketing message around scorpio to be - 4k4k4k. If devs start to go 'well we want to do 1080p/60 with more details' that starts to cloud that 4k message from MS.
Grumpy-Gamer
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Microsoft drops a bollocks once again! Do they ever learn. I don't want 4k games I want 1080p with better effects and physics etc.. This is lost on me now let's see what sony does
Meanwhile Ps4 Neo 1440p downsampled to 1080p Ultra Settings 60fps baby
Gotta do it haha but on a serious note man i hope Scorpio works great on 1080p tvs will ultra settings, like 2 different conf for both people with 1080p tvs and 4K, you choose what you want and i want 1080p 60 pls.
So UWP will be used for every console/phones/tablets/pc and it will just be upscaling/downscaling on which device you play on. So if you buy a scorpio its just for the 4k resolution and not "better" gfx(unless devs develope specific for the scorpio)? Is this right, I am little confused.
Aceofspades
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Seems like they regret their amature move announcing Scorpio 16 months before launch.
That's one way to cannibalize your current XboneS sales.
That's one way to cannibalize your current XboneS sales.
Dee Dah Dave
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They touted this as the "this is for you" and the "we listened" console. So what they should do is put up a Scorpio website, where gamers can go and state what they really want from the new machine.
Chasing 4k on console seems like a fool's errand to me considering 4K isn't even widely adopted in the PC space yet. They would be much better off sticking with 1080p for a few more years and dumping that extra power into things other than resolution (effects, textures, great antialiasing, larger environments, framerate, etc.).
I was excited for Scorpio but this, plus the no exclusives thing, is really kinda lame to me. Seems like a dumb decision on MS part.
I was excited for Scorpio but this, plus the no exclusives thing, is really kinda lame to me. Seems like a dumb decision on MS part.
Aceofspades
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Wrong, there is no difference whatsoever between Xbone and Xbone S.
itsbenoclock
Member
It's like they've gone from positive spinning of bad news in the XB1 days to negative spinning of good news with Scorpio... "Please, don't get excited about our new expensive console!"
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Huh, yah makes no sense. Pretty sure there is going to be down sampling. Also wouldn't it be up to the devs on what they wanna do in terms of resolution?
I'm not all concerned honestly, I just think they are focusing too much on the 4k aspect of the console. As he states it will still run on 1080p screens.
Think a lot of what goes on with these new consoles will be up to what devs want to push.
Really don't think people need to get too concerned about this. Just wait and see.
I'm not all concerned honestly, I just think they are focusing too much on the 4k aspect of the console. As he states it will still run on 1080p screens.
Think a lot of what goes on with these new consoles will be up to what devs want to push.
Really don't think people need to get too concerned about this. Just wait and see.
Yes they are. But scorpio and Neo aren't the consoles to be raising the baseline. They're the consoles to render current games at a higher resolution. You will likely need to wait for the next revision to raise that baseline with better CPU
The process needs time to mature. Both Nvidia and AMD are coming to market with small dies initially. 980ti is a 600sqmm chip. 1080 is a 300sqmm chip and 480 is a 250sqmm chip. There are already rumours of yield issues on 1080 so it *will* take time for AMD to be able to produce large 14nm chips with high yields - important to make the cost acceptable for MS/Sony. It could take a couple of years.
Glorified G
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OP doesn't state that Scorpio will not support 1080p TV's or monitors
Neuromancer
Member
Nailed it.
I honestly might have been interested in the Xbox One if it supported Oculus Rift or (longshot) the Vive, so I didn't have to buy a new PC, but Spencer seems to be saying it won't? I'm so confused.
Yankee Ruin X
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Wow this can't be entirely true, it has to be some kind of effort to put people off waiting for a Scorpio and pick up an XB1S now.
If this is true then MS are complete idiots to not use that power advantage to turn on some extra graphical bells and whistles and get games running at a rock solid 1080p/60fps. Not many people have 4k TV's yet millions have 1080p TV's why reduce your potential market size by so much, these comments from Phil make no sense at all.
If this is true then MS are complete idiots to not use that power advantage to turn on some extra graphical bells and whistles and get games running at a rock solid 1080p/60fps. Not many people have 4k TV's yet millions have 1080p TV's why reduce your potential market size by so much, these comments from Phil make no sense at all.
Changing two variables is all it would take to bump the res, if the horsepower is there. It's by far the easiest 'out' MS could give devs in dealing with their Scorpio modes if they don't want to put other kinds of effort into it.
However, whether every dev would choose to use that power that way, given the choice, is another matter. But is MS giving them the choice, or are they heavily pushing for 'XB1 at 4K'?
I thought it was pretty silly during the E3 conference too BUT there would be many upset people if they bought an Xbox One S only for MS to announce the Scorpio a few months later so at least they are giving people a choice/"heads up".
Devilgunman
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Fixed. They already said there won't be an upgraded performance for the S. Or you don't believe that as well?
Maybe he was talking to those few 4K TV owners in the audience? Maybe. It's possible.
That's not whathe's saying?
Good point about their current marketing. I hope they are not pushing '4k or bust' with the devs. If so, that hardware better be able to deliver. I don't want to see any slowdowns on a 6 TF console.
NowhereFaded
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I can't believe what I'm reading. This guy is killing the chances of Scorpios success months before release. This 2013 all over again. Wtf microFail??
Seems to me they're just downplaying Scorpio so that they don't cut off Xbox One sales at the knees. When they get closer to Scorpio's release, they'll change their tune.
Which of course begs the question, why bother to announce it so far in advance ? Seems like a muddled strategy.
Which of course begs the question, why bother to announce it so far in advance ? Seems like a muddled strategy.
//DEVIL//
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You can't say its a lie though. If i remember correctly, Phill also said its almost not possible to see the difference between PS4 and Xbox one ( or something with that line back then around the xbox one post release )
You will always tell the difference. if the game is optimized for Scorpio as well as the Xbox ONE, you will see the difference. one is probably is running on full HD TV that you have on your home, the other is running on 900p on the same TV on xbox one. that alone is difference. imagine if the game is 4k native and down sampled to run on your TV. faster loading thanks to faster processor etc. more detailed graphics even if both running on HD TV. its really common sense.
If you have a GPU that can run games on 4k, yet you play it on FHD, will the image quality look the same as your other GPU that is barely running the game on FHD ? you should know better really its not even debatable.
Don't confuse marketing PR with Lies. think of it as Twisting words in favor of X.
Cribbed from Bits N Pieces in the other thread...these comments seem to reinforce the idea that they view this upgrade purely through the lens of resolution and TV resolution rather than other improvements at the current (1080p) standard:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/microsoft_considered_releasing_a_more_powerful_xbox_this_year.html
It should more or less be able to run anything that's 1080p on XB1 at 4K. They're not looking at games with PC high settings and wondering about how to get them working at 4K. Just XB1, XB1 levels of pixel complexity.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/microsoft_considered_releasing_a_more_powerful_xbox_this_year.html
It should more or less be able to run anything that's 1080p on XB1 at 4K. They're not looking at games with PC high settings and wondering about how to get them working at 4K. Just XB1, XB1 levels of pixel complexity.
Aceofspades
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They should have just announced Xbox S as the slim model. Everyone does that, Sony did it with all Playstations. People weren't angry that they announced PS2 or PS3 later after PSONE and PS2 slim respectively.
Right, so at the very least, you would gain the benefits of downsampling from 4K to 1080p, hence why I don't believe it.