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AMD Polaris architecture to succeed Graphics Core Next
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icecold1983
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So $199 for a gpu that sits between a 390 and 390x. That puts it at 980 level and often higher. With the current landscape of games favoring gcn and dx12 performance being what it is, i can see this card being pretty close to the 1070 for almost half the price
Nyteshade517
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event is already over
RickyRozay
Member
I don't think so on that one but pretty good for an entry level card. Should be around the 970/r 290 level.
icecold1983
Member
Ummm no. Its not going to be slower than a 390. Its almost an impossibility
Cow Mengde
Banned
BTW, people saying the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark is manipulated.
If you never played the game, the amount of snow covering the ground is randomly generated. AOTS has a glitch on Nvidia cards where there is less snow generated. That's why the textures look sharper in the Nvidia side, while blurrier on the AMD side. It's not the game running on low, but the randomly generated snow covering the terrain. It's also impossible for both games to look exactly the same because the snow on the terrain is randomly generated.
If you never played the game, the amount of snow covering the ground is randomly generated. AOTS has a glitch on Nvidia cards where there is less snow generated. That's why the textures look sharper in the Nvidia side, while blurrier on the AMD side. It's not the game running on low, but the randomly generated snow covering the terrain. It's also impossible for both games to look exactly the same because the snow on the terrain is randomly generated.
SmartWaffles
Member
Unlikely, AMD and Nvidia's Tflops calculation are very different. For reference R9 390, a 5.1Tflops card by AMD standards, performs on par or slightly better than a stock 970 which is 3.6Tflops by Nvidia standards. So the 480 should be a bit faster than 390/970, but far from a 1070.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
It's still hard to pinpoint performance since there are going to be some architecture improvements that won't be reflected by things like the raw FLOPS, and it doesn't even seem to have finalized clocks yet. Given what we know though I'd imagine it will trend closer to the 390X/980 than the 390/970, but there will inevitably be some variance. Some disappointing sub-970 performance in a few games, while some others manage better than 390X.
Oublieux
Member
BTW, people saying the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark is manipulated.
If you never played the game, the amount of snow covering the ground is randomly generated. AOTS has a glitch on Nvidia cards where there is less snow generated. That's why the textures look sharper in the Nvidia side, while blurrier on the AMD side. It's not the game running on low, but the randomly generated snow covering the terrain. It's also impossible for both games to look exactly the same because the snow on the terrain is randomly generated.
I read this elsewhere, and it was quoted from a lone user on Reddit. Not to discredit him or her, but I would rather wait for third party performance benchmarks. The game demonstration was also stated to be using "nearly identical" settings or some such during the live stream, so it's difficult to gauge.
These announcements tend to exaggerate performance using cherry picked examples, anyway, regardless of whether it's a NV or AMD GPU. I expect the AMD to have a bit less punch but have the better price to performance ratio.
icecold1983
Member
A 390 beats a 970 in modern games by a pretty decent margin. Polaris will almost certainly be faster than a 390 since it has more tflops accompanied by at least some degree of improvement in architecural effiency. You should look at the 1070 reviews and see just where the 390 and 390x fit in. Amd has gained a lot of ground on nvidia in recent titles
Lets not get carried away here, the GTX 1070 is competing with the Titan X and 980ti.
Cow Mengde
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You quoted me before I finished editing the picture. The new one points to the difference in the snow. Not the ground texture, but snow pile up next to the mountains.
SmartWaffles
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That's fair enough but I still think expecting it to be on par with 1070 is a far stretch, we might be able to see a better picture when 1060 vs 480 benchmarks emerge.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,17.html
The 1070 pulls quite far ahead of 390X.
icecold1983
Member
I never said it would be on par. I said pretty close for almost half the price. Maybe 15 to 20% slower. That would be quite a value for its price
SmartWaffles
Member
Yeah that makes a lot more sense. It might dethrone the 1070 as the most bang for the buck on the market.
hooijdonk17
Member
Polaris will destroy the Pascal in the low/mid range. That price/performance ratio is beastly.
icecold1983
Member
cross posting
techpowerup
1.266 ghz. that puts it almost exactly on par with a 390x in terms of tflops. with 390x being a 2nd gen GCN chip and this being a 4th gen, performance should be above a 390x.
techpowerup
1.266 ghz. that puts it almost exactly on par with a 390x in terms of tflops. with 390x being a 2nd gen GCN chip and this being a 4th gen, performance should be above a 390x.
dr_rus
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$200 is a lot better than I expected and it definitely puts 480 against GP106 cards so AMD might have a winner there, if not profits from it.
B. I think it's very possible that GP106 cards will be less than 100W. IF (that's a big if) they'll be able to compete with P10 that would give them ~50% power advantage which is more or less in line with what 900 series had over 300 series.
And there's nothing misleading in Maxwell's rated TDP.
NV does this all the time, you just comfortably avoid remembering it. Hint: the whole 900 series was that for a year prior to 300 series launch.
That's true. For you.
1060Ti is supposedly based on an already launched GP104 so it happening in July has actually a higher chance than 1060 on GP106.
A. RX 480 confirmed at 150W which is 1070's TDP which is way faster than 480. So it's pretty much a repeat of Maxwell vs 300 series. No miracles, GCN is still underperforming in perf/watt.
B. I think it's very possible that GP106 cards will be less than 100W. IF (that's a big if) they'll be able to compete with P10 that would give them ~50% power advantage which is more or less in line with what 900 series had over 300 series.
And there's nothing misleading in Maxwell's rated TDP.
Some guys pointed out in the 480 thread that 1070 uses 8-pin and 480 uses 6-pin. So this seems to suggest lower power consumption than 1070.
Irobot82
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The MAX power draw of the Rx480 is 150w. PCI + 6-pin. We don't have any reviews on it. Rumors say it draws around 110-130.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
1070 does not seem to stick to 150TDP but interesting non the less.
Yeah needs a review to confirm.
hooijdonk17
Member
dr_rus spreading fud as usual, fud I can't evade even with him on my block list.
The 480 has a 6 pin molex that powers the 4GB and 8GB cards so that means even the 8 GB version's tdp tops at 150 MAX. The 4GB model probably draws around 110-130W MAX. Meanwhile, the 1070 requires an 8-pin molex rated up to 225W and the card has been benched to draw over 160W depending on review.
Stop spreading FUD. And advice to GAF:
The 480 has a 6 pin molex that powers the 4GB and 8GB cards so that means even the 8 GB version's tdp tops at 150 MAX. The 4GB model probably draws around 110-130W MAX. Meanwhile, the 1070 requires an 8-pin molex rated up to 225W and the card has been benched to draw over 160W depending on review.
Stop spreading FUD. And advice to GAF:
Pagusas
Elden Member
Why do people give such a damn about power consumption in their desktop cards? Are you afraid of the extra 30 cents it will add to your energy bill?
I understand the need to worry about it for other devices, but I cant understand why any PC gamer would care regarding their rigs. We are all running 850watt+ PSU's, most of them expensive and extremely well rated, we overclock and force up voltages with no regard for the energy consuption increase, so why would anyone care is a gpu is 150watt or 295 or 500, at the end of the day I'll take more power.
And dont bring up heat/thermal issues, every card listed can and is cooled just fine on air.
I understand the need to worry about it for other devices, but I cant understand why any PC gamer would care regarding their rigs. We are all running 850watt+ PSU's, most of them expensive and extremely well rated, we overclock and force up voltages with no regard for the energy consuption increase, so why would anyone care is a gpu is 150watt or 295 or 500, at the end of the day I'll take more power.
And dont bring up heat/thermal issues, every card listed can and is cooled just fine on air.
Um, no we are not all running 850w+ power supplies. I myself am using a 450w. Not everyone plays games on PC just to have high end visuals. PC has a library and both dev/community created features and customizations that no console can match because of the open nature of the platform.
RealityCheque
Banned
For $200, and if the real world performance is what they say, I'd buy this as a stopgap card on the way to their next enthusiast one.
Heat is very relevant if you're using a small case which heats up quickly. The card can run cool, but the heat will still be dissipated into the case, which means all your fans will have to work harder and get noisier. I'm using mini ITX so I don't even consider the higher wattage cards.
That said, below a certain point it doesn't really matter. The 480's power consumption is already low enough that's it not going to be a problem.
Pagusas
Elden Member
...what you said had nothing to do with my point. Regardless, power supplies arent the limiting factor in PC's. The audience AMD is talking to isnt limited by their PSU nor thermal issues, so why are they stressing it? OEM's care, Device manufactorers care, DYI's do not.
This makes sense and is actually on point, but even as you said the power consumption is already low, you could run a 1070 in your case without issue I'd imagine. My next build is Micro ATX (not ready to make the ITX plunge, but I'll still be fully conscious of the thermal situation while building to give myself enough head room to keep it both quiet and efficent, just as I did with my last build years ago, but thats standard DYI practices.
Blowers exhaust hot air though and don't heat up the case. Just make sure you have mostly intakes in the case to feed it fresh air.
Hopefully the reference blower on the RX 480 won't be too loud, but I'm worried by the plastic PCB extension where the fan is mounted. Nvidia made some reference cards with the same thing, but they rattled even while idling.
It isn't quite the same. How you build your blower heatsink also matters and the ones used in the 2xx era were really bad.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
I have an X51 R1 with an outdated GPU (330 Watt power supply) and simply want to replace that without buying a new PC as the i7 is more than powerful enough. The TDP has to be considered in this case.
dr_rus
Member
8 pin means that 1070 have the same PCB as 1080 and have some overclocking headroom, 6 pin means that 480 doesn't have any of that above 150W max. We obviously have to wait for reviews but a lot of sources are reporting 150W as actual 480 board consumption and not the calculated limit of power supply. Example:
The only person spreading FUD here is you. Go back to the safety of your block list.
Nikodemos
Member
Head of the GPU division at the time got fired for bungling the 290 design and launch, IIRC.
Tacklemacain
Member
8 pin means that 1070 have the same PCB as 1080 and have some overclocking headroom, 6 pin means that 480 doesn't have any of that above 150W max. We obviously have to wait for reviews but a lot of sources are reporting 150W as actual 480 board consumption and not the calculated limit of power supply. Example:
Just wait for actual reviews. In your example the 390 and 390x have the same TDP and again, TDP is not the amount of power the card needs. And AIB cards will come with more then just 1 6-pin connector if necessary.
Just wait for reviews from sites like toms hardware etc.
qa_engineer
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Videocardz.com has aggregated all of the reference card RX 480 benchmarks thus far and its looking good.
-Reference cards with a single, 6 pin connector is hitting 390X/980 performance for half the price while sipping power.
-The max stable OC for the reference card with the single squirrel cage blower seems to be 1379 mhz and at that point it becomes a 6 pin power limitation.
http://videocardz.com/61434/amd-radeon-rx-480-3dmark-analysis
-Crossfire RX 480 can in fact match the 1080 in synthetic benchmarks.
http://videocardz.com/61456/video-presentation-of-radeon-rx-480-running-in-crossfire-leaked
For those of you looking to upgrade this card seems like a really, really good deal. And if you want to wait a little longer the AIB partners will likely be releasing some 8+6 pin models with much better cooling solutions that will likely push OC headrooms further.
-Reference cards with a single, 6 pin connector is hitting 390X/980 performance for half the price while sipping power.
-The max stable OC for the reference card with the single squirrel cage blower seems to be 1379 mhz and at that point it becomes a 6 pin power limitation.
http://videocardz.com/61434/amd-radeon-rx-480-3dmark-analysis
-Crossfire RX 480 can in fact match the 1080 in synthetic benchmarks.
http://videocardz.com/61456/video-presentation-of-radeon-rx-480-running-in-crossfire-leaked
For those of you looking to upgrade this card seems like a really, really good deal. And if you want to wait a little longer the AIB partners will likely be releasing some 8+6 pin models with much better cooling solutions that will likely push OC headrooms further.
What is a "synthetic" benchmark?
A benchmark which isn't from a game or other real-world application.
qa_engineer
Member
As it relates to games or gaming a synthetic benchmark is a 3rd party benchmark application that does not use an actual game engine, with in-game assets, lighting models etc.
A non synthetic benchmark would be using the GTA 5 bench marking tool to compare performance against other systems or components.
qa_engineer
Member
Early indicators from leaks and users who aren't under NDA and have received the retail version of the card would indicat that the power consumption does in fact sit around 100-110 watts under load while gaming. The max power draw while bench marking at 1300+ mhz, as seen in the links above, is 147 watts.
The only real drawbacks for the reference card, and this isn't a big deal for 99% of the people this card is targeted to, is the 6 pin power limitation and the cooler.
Once the AIB partner cards arrive though this thing should be a steal for those looking for budget builds with some grunt.
The only real drawbacks for the reference card, and this isn't a big deal for 99% of the people this card is targeted to, is the 6 pin power limitation and the cooler.
Once the AIB partner cards arrive though this thing should be a steal for those looking for budget builds with some grunt.
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Deleted member 465307
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I think I'm one of those 99%, so this all sounds great. A cool, lowish power card that can give performance somewhere between a 970 and 980 sounds perfect. Hopefully reviews show that with in-game performances.