Wasn't that a write-up from after the event, where it was revealed as an Xbox title?
Which is an argument for dropping the Xbox hardware division, not maintaining it, and adopting something akin to the 3DO model where you can buy a Panasonic Xbox, a Samsung Xbox, well, maybe not a Sony Xbox, but...
...almost all of this is wrong.
Whoa! Now that is a little polarizing.
Whoa! Now that is a little polarizing.
Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
He's a dev. I'd take his word over the other guy.
Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
Looks like not good results for gaming.
Decrease in sales compared with last year even with crazy deals reaching sub-$275 this year is not good for Xbox One.
Perhaps can we compare it with Xbox 360 at the same period???
Looks like not good results for gaming.
Decrease in sales compared with last year even with crazy deals reaching sub-$275 this year is not good for Xbox One.
Perhaps can we compare it with Xbox 360 at the same period???
Console sales? In the US
360 2008: 593,600
XB1 2016: 486,600
Down 18%
They're only gaining those customers by subsidies that amount to losing money to acquire each one.
How do they monetise those customers further? Not just to recoup the expense in obtaining them, but to actually turn those customers profitable?
Like, what is the actual gameplan there?
Because the last time they used that exact gameplan they ended up $5 - 7 billion in the red.
360 was more expensive? The comparison is that bad like I expected... 18% lower 360 with all the cons Xbox One is facing is fine I guess... if you account the head start Xbox One is in a good position yet.Console sales? In the US in the April - June period for their 3rd year.
360 2008: 593,600 [Arcade $279 | 20GB $349 | 120GB $449]
XB1 2016: 486,600 [500GB $279 | Kinect bundle $279 | 1TB $299 | Elite model $349]
Down 18%
His numbers are for April-June...First 6 or 7 months in this year, right? I know that Xbone sales are down compared to X360 from start of 2016 on monthly basis.
Yes a very good one on the history of events. The second link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125066039&postcount=5124 was the one showing it being a multi plat at E3.Wasn't that a write-up from after the event, where it was revealed as an Xbox title?
The meltdowns have begone.Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
I would just like to see what is Microsofts strategy for Xbox worldwide moving forward.
Because even if you honestly believe that Xbox has a future in its current form, it's pretty hard to explain what that future is in non English speaking countries.
I would just like to see what is Microsofts strategy for Xbox worldwide moving forward.
Because even if you honestly believe that Xbox has a future in its current form, it's pretty hard to explain what that future is in non English speaking countries.
I would just like to see what is Microsofts strategy for Xbox worldwide moving forward.
Because even if you honestly believe that Xbox has a future in its current form, it's pretty hard to explain what that future is in non English speaking countries.
I just realized NPD is today
PS. I know we have leaks already but I want more... the TOP10 ranking with platform order and usual PR spin.
Edit - Wait I just read about digital tracking coming today too... nice.
I don't think they are gonna have their console in all the other parts of the world like Sony does. (Just my opinion). I think that they are going to try to reach PC gamers with their store in those territories. I don't think it will be as good as having a console in those regions but that's the only thing I can think of that is reasonable. MS may keep their consoles in the regions that they are currently in. My opinion though.
Hope Japanese games get irrelevant before Xbox get relevant in such regions.
I think that's the best plan.
360 was more expensive? The comparison is that bad like I expected... 18% lower 360 with all the cons Xbox One is facing is fine I guess... if you account the head start Xbox One is in a good position yet.
Unless (high possible) the situation is way worst outside US but we will never know
His numbers are for April-June...
Jan to June XB1 did ~1.11m in US... I don't have 360 numbers.
I just realized NPD is today
PS. I know we have leaks already but I want more... the TOP10 ranking with platform order and usual PR spin.
Edit - Wait I just read about digital tracking coming today too... nice.
PC gaming is not going to make up the shortfall especially as so far, win 10 versions of games require pretty much top of range hardware. The same hardware that that outside of the US is significantly higher in price performance ratio.
Win 10 might be gateway drug for the mindcrafts and candy crushes of the world, but there is not a significant console market that will build PCs to play MS IP and become XBL users. They will just buy PlayStation and Nintendo.
Besides, PC gaming is not helping the Xbox brand. It's helping win 10.
Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
As a stockholder, I wouldn't be surprised to see MS dump the entire division. They have tried in the past, the problem is that nobody actually seems to want it. There just isn't much money to be made in consoles anymore. Everybody wants to get into phones, and mobile gaming
That includes Microsoft. I don't blame them. I find the majority of my gaming time these days is on the phone
Edit - Wait I just read about digital tracking coming today too... nice.
Yes, Sony is doing well. But they are the only ones... Even Nintendo is struggling with the market right now.
i don't think the idea is to convert console users into PC gamers.
It's to sell software to PC gamers who don't have or want an MS console...
The having Xbox games on Win10 certainly helps the Xbox brand (so long as the ports are shitty) and win 10... The benefit isn't mutually exclusive in any way.
Cool off bro. He's not the reason your console of choice is failing.Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
i don't think the idea is to convert console users into PC gamers.
It's to sell software to PC gamers who don't have or want an MS console...
The having Xbox games on Win10 certainly helps the Xbox brand (so long as the ports are shitty) and win 10... The benefit isn't mutually exclusive in any way.
Sell software in those region? Hahahahaha
Joke aside, they really need to step up by a lot if they want to compete for PC gamers money in those region.
First, let me buy games with my local currency not US dollar, MS. Then maybe buy, Blizzard, Tencent, Nexon and NCsoft.
But in that, the benefit is only limited to exclusive IP on the win 10 store. There is not going to be a mass migration of third party devs and pubs from steam.
So at best MS is a handful of the revenue they enjoy on console because pretty much everything they normal receive licensing fees from is sold elsewhere.
Couple that with zero hardware revenue, no live revenue and minimal accessory revenue, win 10 is a much smaller pot, gaming wise than a competitive Xbox. Which does not make it any kind of solution to declining consoles sales worldwide.
Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
What's...what's happening...Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
What's...what's happening...
They don't need a "mass migration". Also, its not like devs/publishers can't sell their wares in more than one store similultaneously. MS just increases the sales of games, services, and microtransactions. Whether this is on console or PC is irrelevant. They don't need to overtake anyone to make a profit. They just need to improve on their offering.
Hardware revenue has never been a thing for MS. But You can't ignore in-direct benefits like win10 licensing fees from people who newly to upgrade or new hardware sales.
About that. We lost that in the PR release.
What happened? Is it not today?Yeah... about that...
His numbers are for April-June...
Jan to June XB1 did ~1.11m in US... I don't have 360 numbers.
The bolded is great, but it presents yet another problem for MS. In merging the Xbox and Win 10 stores, they have made windows store games beholden to retail pricing. So even if 3rd parties do start selling games on the Win 10 store, there is every chance that Steam versions will be cheaper, especially version sold by third parties like GMG or as key resales from new GPUs.
As for Win 10 sales, that is not something that will be driven by Xbox, as much as Xbox games will be a beneficiary of it. When we are talking hardware, outside of a niche gaming laptop market, new hardware is not going to be Xbox AAA gaming ready. That cannot be seen as the purpose of upgrading. Even in the enthusiast market, the removal of Windows 7 from sale means windows 10 is the OS of choice be default, not because of anything Xbox has driven.
Microsoft will increase sales of Games, services and MTs with PC. That is true. But that has no bearing on the loss of a decling console market, nor will it ofset the loss of revenue that will create. Xbox will move from being a brand in its own right, to a feature of an OS.
The bolded is great, but it presents yet another problem for MS. In merging the Xbox and Win 10 stores, they have made windows store games beholden to retail pricing. So even if 3rd parties do start selling games on the Win 10 store, there is every chance that Steam versions will be cheaper, especially version sold by third parties like GMG or as key resales from new GPUs.
As for Win 10 sales, that is not something that will be driven by Xbox, as much as Xbox games will be a beneficiary of it. When we are talking hardware, outside of a niche gaming laptop market, new hardware is not going to be Xbox AAA gaming ready. That cannot be seen as the purpose of upgrading. Even in the enthusiast market, the removal of Windows 7 from sale means windows 10 is the OS of choice be default, not because of anything Xbox has driven.
Microsoft will increase sales of Games, services and MTs with PC. That is true. But that has no bearing on the loss of a decling console market, nor will it ofset the loss of revenue that will create. Xbox will move from being a brand in its own right, to a feature of an OS.
Satya Nadella said:just think about three things. There are a few other efforts we do, and I’ve been very clear about those efforts and why they exist and why we are proud of them. But, there are three products in all of this. There is Windows, there is Office 365, and there is Azure. That’s it. Everything else to me is, of course, you can call them features, you can call them parts of that... - Link
Satya Nadella said:Finally, we will build the best instantiation of this vision through our Windows device platform and our devices, which will serve to delight our customers, increase distribution of our services, drive gross margin, enable fundamentally new product categories, and generate opportunity for the Windows ecosystem more broadly. We will pursue our gaming ambition as part of this broader vision for Windows and increase its appeal to consumers. We will bring together Xbox Live and our first-party gaming efforts across PC, console, mobile and new categories like HoloLens into one integrated play. - Link
What happened? Is it not today?
No PR or TOP10 ranking??? Less than what we get in previous months or different??? I'm curious now.It's today. It's just not going to be what you want it to be.
I'm looking forward to see what the response is like.
Isn't it. Matt, the dev who talks to us peasants who is also an expert on sales and the whole video game market, having insight in all aspects where it counts. We can't be thankful enough to have him here.
It's today. It's just not going to be what you want it to be.
I'm looking forward to see what the response is like.
No PR or TOP10 ranking??? Less than what we get in previous months or different??? I'm curious now.