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[Cute Dragon Here]

It's just funny how with the exact same hardware, it would be exactly what everyone wants when it's coming from a 3DS, but a relative disappointment compared to the Wii U.

I can't wait for our portable overlords... I'm really considering not bothering with an n3DS and just going straight to the portable NX, if it does happen.

Also probably going to chuckle a bit internally at it having a newer arch than my desktop and potentially being faster than my laptop.

 

[KAL2006]

The screen should be no more than 7"

If they still want the portability aspect to work. Also please make the screen 540p the lower the resolution the better the games will look. Don't listen to these iPad fans who don't understand the main purpose for an iPad is being a multi purpose device so a sharp screen for Web browsing and reading important. But when it comes to gaming high resolution on such as small screen is overkill and just makes games not as optimised or games cannot be pushed.

So basically
7" 540p Tablet
Base station with additional GPU which doubles the resolution to 1080p

 

[Kikorin]

This looks like will be an handheld in first, so will not compete in raw power with X1 or PS4. Also, problem of Wii U was software drought, not specs, infact Nintendo games looks fantastic. If they sell a good number of NX, they'll have also the third party support and to sell NX at first they need a lot of software, so I hope they are working on a lot of games for the first months.

 

[dangeraaron10]

I mean the wiiu against he ps360 and this one against xb1ps4. I meant the situation is worst. Even more with neo and Scorpio coming

If we take this as they're giving up home console market and this is a handheld with tv out, it's not bad. If it's home console with handheld capabilities it's terrible

It's not a home console with handheld capabilities.

It's a portable with an HDMI out.

Iwata said the thing wasn't a hybrid, they may actually come out and say it isn't and it's just a 3DS successor, and that they don't want to make home consoles anymore. We don't know yet, and hopefully will find out how Nintendo categorizes this in September.

But regardless of what Ninty calls it, it's really just a handheld with an HDMI out so you can play on the big screen, not unless there's some GPU dock that increases its power which is just speculation and a pipe dream.

 

[KingSnake]

I really liked the video.

What I didn't like was this thread turned to shit in the first two pages and the last ones with discussions about anything else than the tech specifics. I really don't understand why you need to post your sales expectations and your disbelief about the rumour in this thread that is dedicated to tech and nothing else. It's a really crappy thing to do, it makes an ugly mess and makes the on topic discussion very difficult to follow.

Even if X2 ends up to be just speculation and NX will end up with a Tegra X1 (most probably custom) that would be a fantastic GPU for a handheld and a decent one when docked. It's even a decent jump over Wii U and can result in very nice graphic effects on a 540p/720p screen. Who knows, maybe even finally some decent AA will visit the Nintendo games.

 

[Nothing1016]

I'm confused. So Tabata said they FFXV wasn't coming to the NX "for now" implying the game could at a later time, FFXIV also might see a port, and so will DQ11. We are also getting the new sonic game that's also coming out for PS4/XB1, and a better version of Zelda.

What I'm confused about is the power level. If an Nvidia X1 isn't as powerful as an Xbox One, how will this device power these games that have been either hinted at, commented on, or announced? Can the dock really add that much power? Or is lowering the resolutions to 540p make these games playable on this device?

 

[nOoblet16]

This thing needs to be cheap, like £200 cheap.

 

[nOoblet16]

I'm confused. So Tabata said they FFXV wasn't coming to the NX "for now" implying the game could at a later time, FFXIV also might see a port, and so will DQ11. We are also getting the new sonic game that's also coming out for PS4/XB1, and a better version of Zelda.

What I'm confused about is the power level. If an Nvidia X1 isn't as powerful as an Xbox One, how will this device power these games that have been either hinted at, commented on, or announced? Can the dock really add that much power? Or is lowering the resolutions to 540p make these games playable on this device?

The NX will probably melt trying to play FFXV

 

[Nothing1016]

The NX will probably melt trying to play FFXV

Yeah that's what I'm saying! So Tabata's comments about there being no plans "for now" make zero sense if this thing can't even get close to running the game.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

The Tegra was a great chip on my old phone, but it ran hot!

 

[GlamFM]

Thought about it some more.

Turns out I like the idea and I´m very excited.

 

[KingSnake]

Yeah that's what I'm saying! So Tabata's comments about there being no plans "for now" make zero sense if this thing can't even get close to running the game.

Maybe Tabata was just polite. Or maybe NX will have a custom X2 chip, that should be around XB1 levels when fully powered.

 

[ReaperXL7]

If they charge $300+ in the U.S for what will essentially be a handheld then this thing will be DOA. I guess they better get started on their ambassador program for the swift price drop.

Maybe Tabata was just polite. Or maybe NX will have a custom X2 chip, that should be around XB1 levels when fully powered.

Where are they going to get batteries to run a handheld that produces XB1 level visuals? That's a pipe dream

 

[Vertti]

The NX will probably melt trying to play FFXV

With 540p you need four times less power. If Nintendo uses the new Tegra chip it's possible it would be powerful enough even when downclocked to play something like FFXV.

 

[krang]

Where are they going to get batteries to run a handheld that produces XB1 level visuals? That's a pipe dream

I think when they said "fully-powered" they mean when it's docked, rather than in portable mode.

 

[Guymelef]

I'm confused. So Tabata said they FFXV wasn't coming to the NX "for now" implying the game could at a later time, FFXIV also might see a port, and so will DQ11. We are also getting the new sonic game that's also coming out for PS4/XB1, and a better version of Zelda.

What I'm confused about is the power level. If an Nvidia X1 isn't as powerful as an Xbox One, how will this device power these games that have been either hinted at, commented on, or announced? Can the dock really add that much power? Or is lowering the resolutions to 540p make these games playable on this device?

So Tabata said they FFXV wasn't coming to the NX "for now" implying the game could at a later time

Or implying he has no plans and he can't say it would be a hell of optimising.

and so will DQ11

DQ XI could be a port of 3DS version.

We are also getting the new sonic game that's also coming out for PS4/XB1

Just like Sonic Unleashed

and a better version of Zelda.

That must not be hard.

None of your facts speaks about a possible great NX power.

 

[KingSnake]

Where are they going to get batteries to run a handheld that produces XB1 level visuals? That's a pipe dream

It's not that difficult to read, really. It was a very short post.

XB1 levels when fully powered, that means when docked and rendering for TV. When portable it needs to render most probably 540p resolution, which is a 1/4 from 1080p. So it should be more than sufficient power in battery mode to run the same game on the screen.

 

[zoukka]

I'm confused. So Tabata said they FFXV wasn't coming to the NX "for now" implying the game could at a later time, FFXIV also might see a port, and so will DQ11. We are also getting the new sonic game that's also coming out for PS4/XB1, and a better version of Zelda.

What I'm confused about is the power level. If an Nvidia X1 isn't as powerful as an Xbox One, how will this device power these games that have been either hinted at, commented on, or announced? Can the dock really add that much power? Or is lowering the resolutions to 540p make these games playable on this device?

Have you heard of ports? The game will look/run worse than on PS4/XBONE...

IF they port it at all.

 

[Burai]

The screen should be no more than 7"

If they still want the portability aspect to work. Also please make the screen 540p the lower the resolution the better the games will look. Don't listen to these iPad fans who don't understand the main purpose for an iPad is being a multi purpose device so a sharp screen for Web browsing and reading important. But when it comes to gaming high resolution on such as small screen is overkill and just makes games not as optimised or games cannot be pushed.

So basically
7" 540p Tablet
Base station with additional GPU which doubles the resolution to 1080p

Not sure where they'd get 540p screens from. Most cheap Android tablets are 1280 x 600. It would be cheaper to use those screens.

 

[Nothing1016]

Or implying he has no plans and he can't say it would be a hell of optimising.


DQ XI could be a port of 3DS version.



Just like Sonic Unleashed



That must not be hard.

Neither of your facts speaks about a possible great NX power.

These aren't facts. It's just everything we heard from public figures hasn't pointed to this outcome. Why would a square producer or director even think of putting FFXIV or FFXV on a primarily handheld device? Even Nintendo has said or implied that it was a home console.

Either way things are getting exciting, it's just weird and I'll still be looking forward to it.

Have you heard of ports? The game will look/run worse than on PS4/XBONE...

IF they port it at all.

Of course I have heard of ports. I was giving square the benefit of the doubt when it came to port quality.

 

[AmyS]

i like this.
Maybe there will be a standard dock and a more expensive advanced dock?

Anything is possible, assuming Nintendo doesn't leave NX without the ability to play better games over time. Nintendo has a roughly 30 year history of giving its games more power than the original shipping hardware had. The Famicom / NES game cartridge Memory Mapper Chips, even some from 3P like Konami. The SNES cartridge DSPs, CPU /SuperFX. The N64 Ram Pack. But I digress.

I think it's possible.

 

[martino]

And what happens on bandwith side with this kind of solution ?
How x1 current bandwiitch compare to a more home oriented architecture design and what does it means for games ?

 

[Avtomat]

It's not that difficult to read, really. It was a very short post.

XB1 levels when fully powered, that means when docked and rendering for TV. When portable it needs to render most probably 540p resolution, which is a 1/4 from 1080p. So it should be more than sufficient power in battery mode to run the same game on the screen.

I can see lots of ppl want some kind of sick with extra GPU power whilst that's possible technically I just don't see it working out logistically.

I mean if you go this way suddenly you have a tablet + gamepad you want to sell at $300. Then another dock containing GPU you need to sell at another $200. that is antithetical to the cheap objective I believe Nintendo will go for. What kind of latency will you have between the onboard SoC and the off board GPU.

I just see it as being more trouble than it's worth.

Also where is this 540p talk coming from. Will be surprised if the tablet is not at least 720p.

 

[Litri]

Say Nintendo goes aggressive and decides to tap this chip out at 16nm, would that make a difference with its old 20nm process???

Could they update the ARM cores or the speed?

 

[Vertti]

Not sure where they'd get 540p screens from. Most cheap Android tablets are 1280 x 600. It would be cheaper to use those screens.

Because 540p scales perfectly to 1080p on TV. 600p doesn't.

Yeah it would probably be a bit cheaper but Vita has 960x544 screen so it's not impossible to get them I'm sure.

 

[Nothing1016]

I can see lots of ppl want some kind of sick with extra GPU power whilst that's possible technically I just don't see it working out logistically.

I mean if you go this way suddenly you have a tablet + gamepad you want to sell at $300. Then another dock containing GPU you need to sell at another $200. that is antithetical to the cheap objective I believe Nintendo will go for. What kind of latency will you have between the onboard SoC and the off board GPU.

I just see it as being more trouble than it's worth.

Also where is this 540p talk coming from. Will be surprised if the tablet is not at least 720p.

Poster named Matt a long time ago said something like it will be more then what some expect but less then what people wish... Something to that affect. People seem to respect his knowledge. At least I think that's why we are all fussing 540p

 

[Red Devil]

I'm confused. So Tabata said they FFXV wasn't coming to the NX "for now" implying the game could at a later time, FFXIV also might see a port, and so will DQ11. We are also getting the new sonic game that's also coming out for PS4/XB1, and a better version of Zelda.

What I'm confused about is the power level. If an Nvidia X1 isn't as powerful as an Xbox One, how will this device power these games that have been either hinted at, commented on, or announced? Can the dock really add that much power? Or is lowering the resolutions to 540p make these games playable on this device?

Did Nintendo themselves claim it was a better version?

 

[KingSnake]

I can see lots of ppl want some kind of sick with extra GPU power whilst that's possible technically I just don't see it working out logistically.

I mean if you go this way suddenly you have a tablet + gamepad you want to sell at $300. Then another dock containing GPU you need to sell at another $200. that is antithetical to the cheap objective I believe Nintendo will go for. What kind of latency will you have between the onboard SoC and the off board GPU.

I just see it as being more trouble than it's worth.

Also where is this 540p talk coming from. Will be surprised if the tablet is not at least 720p.

Why are you talking about extra GPU power when I don't mention anything like that. I'm only talking about running full power mode when docked versus power saver mode when on baterry (normal clocked vs. underclocked). To be clear, XB1 levels was for the assumptions it's a X2 custom.

Also the tech for connecting a SoC on board with a GPU in a dock already exists out there, one device being quite famous. But I'm not going down this route of speculation yet.

 

[Guymelef]

Just remember those ~1280x768 Monster Hunter Stories images...

But it won't scale to 1080p just fine. So maybe 1280*720p

 

[KORNdoggy]

surely if it's using a Tegra chip, it will utilize the new one they're working on? not the one from last year?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097...neration-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html

 

[KingSnake]

surely if it's using a Tegra chip, it will utilize the new one they're working on? not the one from last year?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097...neration-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html

You should watch the video in the OP. That's DF's speculation too.

 

[Avtomat]

Why are you talking about extra GPU power when I don't mention anything like that. I'm only talking about running full power mode when docked versus power saver mode when on baterry (normal clocked vs. underclocked). To be clear, XB1 levels was for the assumptions it's a X2 custom.

Also the tech for connecting a SoC on board with a GPU in a dock already exists out there, one device being quite famous. But I'm not going down this route of speculation yet.

Oh I see my bad. In which case I agree with you, can definitely see that perhaps even having a small cooling solution on the base station to help keep temps in check.

On the other topic I know the tech exists it just seems you would be better served instead creating 2 different SoCs. Technically not really an issue it's just that I wonder if it makes any sense business / strategy wise.

 

[Nothing1016]

Did Nintendo themselves claim it was a better version?

Just my conjecture I suppose. Aonuma said different visuals, same experience.

 

[KORNdoggy]

You should watch the video in the OP. That's DF's speculation too.

it was more in response to those thinking it'll use the old chip. i mean, i know nintendo aren't the most bleeding edge manufacturers, and can sometimes opt for plain old dated components (wii) but i don't think they'd use an old chip when a new one is knocking at the door.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I really liked the video.

What I didn't like was this thread turned to shit in the first two pages and the last ones with discussions about anything else than the tech specifics. I really don't understand why you need to post your sales expectations and your disbelief about the rumour in this thread that is dedicated to tech and nothing else. It's a really crappy thing to do, it makes an ugly mess and makes the on topic discussion very difficult to follow.

Even if X2 ends up to be just speculation and NX will end up with a Tegra X1 (most probably custom) that would be a fantastic GPU for a handheld and a decent one when docked. It's even a decent jump over Wii U and can result in very nice graphic effects on a 540p/720p screen. Who knows, maybe even finally some decent AA will visit the Nintendo games.

Sorry dude. Spec discussions are usually crypto-console/platform wars. Especially DF threads, which are aimed at tech geeks who get turned on by bleeding edge specs. This is one of the more reasonable threads tbh - the ones that turn into blood feuds over 100p or 6 fps are the truly absurd.

 

[KingSnake]

Oh I see my bad. In which case I agree with you, can definitely see that perhaps even having a small cooling solution on the base station to help keep temps in check.

On the other topic I know the tech exists it just seems you would be better served instead creating 2 different SoCs. Technically not really an issue it's just that I wonder if it makes any sense business / strategy wise.

The speculation regarding a dock with additional processing power comes from Nintendo's SCD patent. So Nintendo at least thought about it and not only that, but also peer-to-peer cloud computing. But we don't really know if they're going to use that patent in NX yet.

So probably the best way for now is to assume the dock is "dumb". But yeah, it could have a small cooling solution. Especially with the talk about detachable controllers, that could leave place to some lateral vents.

 

[Aceofspades]

Lots of people say that the dock is having extra GPU power, doesn't that make developing for the system hard or complicated?

 

[KAL2006]

1024 x 600

After checking the most common resolution android devices 1024 x 600 is probably the most common lowest resolution android tablet. So it would probably be best for Nintendo to go with that.

 

[KingSnake]

Lots of people say that the dock is having extra GPU power, doesn't that make developing for the system hard or complicated?

The assumption is that if that's the case it will be handled by the API. Anyhow it will have to target two fixed configs.

1024 x 600

After checking the most common resolution android devices 1024 x 600 is probably the most common lowest resolution android tablet. So it would probably be best for Nintendo to go with that.

The issue with that resolution is that it doesn't upscale nicely to 1080p.

 

[Vertti]

I hope the dock has external ac adapter. Otherwise it would be a bit hassle. Though the console own battery should be bypassed/easily removable then because otherwise its charging abilities would weaken considerably.

 

[KAL2006]

The assumption is that if that's the case it will be handled by the API. Anyhow it will have to target two fixed configs.



The issue with that resolution is that it doesn't upscale nicely to 1080p.

Upscaling doesn't necessary have to be exactly double. PC games have a ton of different Upscaling settings.

 

[Litri]

1024 x 600

After checking the most common resolution android devices 1024 x 600 is probably the most common lowest resolution android tablet. So it would probably be best for Nintendo to go with that.

I'm saying 1280x720, that sounds quite ok and should be cheap enough.

 

[Red Devil]

The assumption is that if that's the case it will be handled by the API. Anyhow it will have to target two fixed configs.

Huh, not sure how devs would like that for a single closed system.

 

[Kimawolf]

It's not that difficult to read, really. It was a very short post.

XB1 levels when fully powered, that means when docked and rendering for TV. When portable it needs to render most probably 540p resolution, which is a 1/4 from 1080p. So it should be more than sufficient power in battery mode to run the same game on the screen.

I think people are reading "handheld" and thinking its junk. They don't realize three things, resolution and the docking station, and Tegra X2 will be a monster for a handheld and be close to XB1 performance or surpass it depending on if you believe Nvidia papers.

This thing for a handheld, even with an X1,will be the most powerful handheld by a wide margin. The jump from 3ds to NX will be absolutely gigantic if they use either of these chips.

 

[KingSnake]

So I know it is not common on GAF but I am going to attempt to use some common sense on this one. There is no way Nintendo launches this with sub xb1 performance. We saw the disaster that was the Wii U having developers basically laughing at the capabilities of the system. I don't expect Nintendo to go after all third parties but they know releasing a machine that can't even match xb1 means the same situation over again. I they have stated they want to change and know they need a more powerful system. I'm going with them using the x2 which makes the most "common sense" to me. Now we know Nintendo doesn't always use common sense. But I just could not see a situatio where they release this with stock x1 chips. There is one of there things that have been left out of this information.

1. I they are indeed using x2 chips and the x1 overclocked are place holders.
2. The dock will have some sort of gpu/ram within the ups performance when the console is docked.
3. They really do have a real console using amd or Nvidia somewhere in the wild that at minimum is on ps4 level.

Sorry nothing else makes sense at this point. I saw the hybrid coming it was not a surprise but the supposed power of trying to reach xb1 performance makes no sense. At least if they want any third party support even if the thing is a smash hit they need to be in between xb1 and ps4 to have a chance.

You are confusing your wishes with business common sense.

Of all the options you listed, 3. is pure fantasy and it makes no business sense. 1. is possible either at launch or as a revision, 2. might happen later as a separate SCD for the power hungry people.

 

[spekkeh]

Their video made me enthusiastic.

If this has an X2 and a lower res, so it can run PS4 like games on mobile, and then the dock has an SSD, then this will be an instabuy.

Otherwise, proof is in the pudding. Nah I'll buy it anyway cause Nintendo, but I might wait a bit.

 

[Aceofspades]

So power wise its an overclocked WiiU or:

27% of PS4 power.
38% Xbone power.
11% NEO power.
8% Scorpio power.

Pretty inadequate for 2017 machine tbh.

*if NX had X1 chip.

 

[Nibel]

Has anyone wondered why NO mobile phone uses a Tegra X1 and all top spec android phones use a snapdragon 820?

Because the X1 runs hot.

The NX is not a mobile phone

 

[Z3M0G]

Pretty much confirms that there will be no backwards compatibility. No surprise there.


Also,

"you can think of the NX as a turbo charged last gen console"

... So barely a leap over the Wii-U then? What's with Nintendo's obsession with releasing turbo chared last gen hardware?

Keeps them low cost so parents will buy them for their kids.

 

[Mr Swine]

Has anyone wondered why NO mobile phone uses a Tegra X1 and all top spec android phones use a snapdragon 820?

Because the X1 runs hot.

So does the SD820, hence why they replaced it with 821 which ran cooler than he previous SD.

Also I do believe Nintendo could go out with 3 configurations

1. Handheld (with dock)
2. Hybrid
3. Console

Would that be feasible or would it cause to much confusion for people?