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DF: Nintendo NX Powered By Nvidia Tegra! Initial Spec Analysis
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A phone isn't a gaming device. Proof being also most of the games that run on it.
this is a portable.
a "turbo charged last gen console" is more that what even Vita did.
Going from the 3DS up to this would be 2 gen leaps for Nintendo.
It'd probably be confusing early on. Might be best to start with the hybrid and release a handheld / console version down the line as a budget option.
It's a handheld that connects to TV. Now do a comparison with handhelds and even tablets/phones on the market.
It's most likely an X2
A X1 is terrible in terms of heat. Why do no phones use an X1
This also explains the delay as well as Nikkei original saying latest chips.
X2 on a 6" 540p portable can have Zelda BotW performance that matched the Wii U with decent battery life.
Also when docked whether the dock has extra cooling to allow the system to overclock or the dock has a extra processor. Games can be upgraded to match Xbox One power.
Price wise they can have
Tablet - $200
Tablet and Dock - $300
A X1 is terrible in terms of heat. Why do no phones use an X1
This also explains the delay as well as Nikkei original saying latest chips.
X2 on a 6" 540p portable can have Zelda BotW performance that matched the Wii U with decent battery life.
Also when docked whether the dock has extra cooling to allow the system to overclock or the dock has a extra processor. Games can be upgraded to match Xbox One power.
Price wise they can have
Tablet - $200
Tablet and Dock - $300
Please no 10" would ruin the portability. Wii U already gives me hand cramps lol
On the other hand, the Nvidia Shield uses a Tegra X1, the 16GB storage version already costs $199
https://shield.nvidia.com/store/android-tv
This is without the screen, the portable form factor, the docking station and has a useless amount of storage.
Now Nintendo does probably sell more bulk and can sell at cost, but an X2 NX would easily bump it up to $350-$400. Which is not impossible, but might not be what Nintendo is aiming for.
https://shield.nvidia.com/store/android-tv
This is without the screen, the portable form factor, the docking station and has a useless amount of storage.
Now Nintendo does probably sell more bulk and can sell at cost, but an X2 NX would easily bump it up to $350-$400. Which is not impossible, but might not be what Nintendo is aiming for.
My one plus 3 under heavy gaming is really not that hot. It gets no hotter than an iphone
Aceofspades
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Ok, lets compare it to Nvidia Shield, similar power released 2 years ago, or one year ago I think for the X1 version.
JimiNutz
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All the Shield products, with screen or not have been around $200 haven't they? Plus Shield products have probably a very low production, so bigger costs on the chips. $200 for the handheld only with X1 should be feasible. Now X2 is more of a question, but I doubt the price will grow with $150, seeing how this is most probably a licensing deal and we assume same production volumes for NX.
martino
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but it has nvidia margin included.
You really don't see how your Surface Pro 4 is irrelevant in a discussion about mobile/portable devices? Really? (not even touching how you mix CPU and GPU, unless you where really talking about Intel HD GPU in which case lol)
No dude a slim laptop running an entire OS is the same thing as a dedicated gaming system with an actual GPU.
Honestly though, if Ultra Trine 2 at a locked 30 at 1080p is what it can do, I'd be pretty fucking happy because I haven't seen a mobile game look that good yet.
The problem is, noone making games that run on PS4 (or XBO of course) will port to such a low powered machine. It's not worth it. Why port from the current highend consoles that have a 70 million install base of core gamers to a hand held unit by a company who doesn't care about your audience and sold 15 million units in 4 years.
And then you plug it into the TV and go "meh"
Its expected power consumption and TDP should be close to one.
I have absolutely no intention to plug it into a TV. It's a portable system for me and that's how I'll judge it.
But this doesn't sound low-cost at all, that's precisely the problem. More likely to be in the price range of PS4 and Xbox One by the time it launches.
Japanese developers absolutely would. If all of this turns out true, the NX seems be once again aimed primarily at the Japanese market and its unique handheld/console ecosystem anyway.
ArkhamFantasy
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So are they going to make a console too or is this probably their plan going forward? A handheld that connects to the TV.
ethomaz
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This is a hybrid console... it will have a dock to connect to TV.
Don't think like PSTV because docked NX possible run like a full power console.
And games didn't come because specs sucked. If you want western third parties you need specs which shows those devs you're catering to their audience.
Third parties won't come to a Nintendo device. Move on. And this is not the topic for this discussion.
TheRealJakoozie
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Agreed. I have a feeling that this is Nintendo's last effort to carve out space in the gaming hardware business. They're taking this risk, because the alternative is to pull out of the hardware race entirely(unpopular opinion, but I don't care). If the NX isn't a success then my guess is that they will change to software development for other consoles, probably in addition to branching out to other areas. (QoL possibly, nostalgia milking like the NES mini and maybe some Amiboo type collectibles etc)
But I don't think Nintendo needs that large a install base to be successful. 20 million sold NXs would probably keep them more than afloat, considering the high attach rate the Wii U had and fhag most of the games sold on the platform will be Nintendo's own. And they could make at least small profit on the sale of every console (don't get too greedy here Ninty, for your own good) and peripherals like pro controllers will probably do well.
If they get to 30-40 million and above I think it's a slam dunk. Especially if they for example buff up their Virtual Console offerings and maybe introduce a ps plus type program where you pay a fee and get a VC game each month or something.
It could be a lot more successful than this as well, but I don't think it HAS to be.
Personally I'm just looking forward to owning such a powerful handheld, and not having to buy two separate machines to play a relatively low amount of games. This was really the only way for Nintendo to win me back, as a very disappointed Wii U owner.
This is much more than turbo last gen, they said that during the shield footage but it's going to perform way better with vulkan and no android.
Also, if it has x2 it will be within spitting distance from the xbone, if not better when connected to the dock, depending on how the chip performs. But it will be closer to that than to wiiu for sure.
Pancakes R Us
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I think £250 is too much for a Nintendo product in the UK these days, unless this has a Wii-like hook. Nintendo is dead here right now. Majority of the public doesn't assign have value items with Nintendo.
Good point. $50 Nintendo incoming.
Always-honest
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It won't be 200 dollar.
blu
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16 nm might be paramount for nintendo, if we recalled what broke apart their last partnership..
Well that's what they should be aiming for.
A $199 (or less) handheld and a $199 (or less) home console, that run the same content ....would sell better than a $299 hybrid IMO.
Possumowner
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I'd jump at it for that price,bundled with a game though
You know, english isn't my first language but i'm pretty sure i know the meaning of the word "if".
Also, i don't give a fuck. So i'm not sure how am i supposed to be underwhelmed. I'm merely speculating based on what we know and what we (and DF) think can happen.
I don't see how it can be less than 249. And even that would be good news.
I guess that, based on what Iwata has said in 2015, that's at least an open possibility.
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/nintendo-nx-analysis/
For now, it will probably just be the handheld-hybrid.
However, it seems possible that they will build variants of NX that use the same architecture and thus can play all games, but might come in different form factors (cheaper "NXTV" without screen and battery) or higher specs (future "NX2" with a faster Tegra variant).
TheRealJakoozie
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I honestly think Nintendo shouldn't care about third parties. Focusing on one platform instead of 2 means that Nintendo probably can keep their fans happy software wise without any third-party support. And if the console is a success some third parties will come regardless. There is very little Nintendo can do about this themselves at this point. They should basically plan for the worst and expect to be the only ones carrying the torch. And why do you even care about third parties? Most of us already have either a PC, Xbox one or PC. The NX could become the perfect second home console/platform and primary handheld in the market. There's money in that, potentially lots. Nintendo will probably never be dominant in the console space again, and that's fine.
I am super curious about the dock. And also, when using it at home, how will it work exactly? If it's a stationary dock that plugs into the TV with an HDMI, wouldn't you need at least one proper controller in the box to even play on your TV? (Since the dock would probably be near the TV, not near the couch where the player is sitting.)
I would suggest the following SKUs:
1. The handheld alone for 199 USD.
2. The handheld plus dock and one wireless pro controller for 249 USD
Obviously these prices are quite aggressive, and they probably won't have a huge profit margin on the hardware . But as long as they're not losing money it's a great start, and their margins will probably improve as the parts get cheaper to produce.
It also makes a lot of sense for the chip to clock down while in handheld mode. 720p is good enough for the screen I think. And the dock could probably include some sort of fan as well, although I'm not sure about that.
If it's supposed to transfer wirelessly from the dock to the TV, why are we even talking about a dock? Shouldn't the transmitter for he signal just be in the handheld, which then transmits to a receiver dongle that's plugged into the TV?
Personally I hope that they go for a proper dock with cable . Wireless always brings some compromise.
Ahh, i haven't been this excited about a console reveal since the Wii. I want to know more now!
I am super curious about the dock. And also, when using it at home, how will it work exactly? If it's a stationary dock that plugs into the TV with an HDMI, wouldn't you need at least one proper controller in the box to even play on your TV? (Since the dock would probably be near the TV, not near the couch where the player is sitting.)
I would suggest the following SKUs:
1. The handheld alone for 199 USD.
2. The handheld plus dock and one wireless pro controller for 249 USD
Obviously these prices are quite aggressive, and they probably won't have a huge profit margin on the hardware . But as long as they're not losing money it's a great start, and their margins will probably improve as the parts get cheaper to produce.
It also makes a lot of sense for the chip to clock down while in handheld mode. 720p is good enough for the screen I think. And the dock could probably include some sort of fan as well, although I'm not sure about that.
If it's supposed to transfer wirelessly from the dock to the TV, why are we even talking about a dock? Shouldn't the transmitter for he signal just be in the handheld, which then transmits to a receiver dongle that's plugged into the TV?
Personally I hope that they go for a proper dock with cable . Wireless always brings some compromise.
Ahh, i haven't been this excited about a console reveal since the Wii. I want to know more now!
All it takes is a few third party devs speaking to other people and the word can spread. People in the industry definitely talk to other people in the industry. It's almost impossible for the word not to leak out there.
Nvidia and Tegra was leaked way before last week, but people refused to believe it.
It would be terrible news.
Over $200 and it'll bomb in the handheld market (3DS certainly did until a significant price cut)...and it'll bomb in the console market (if it's weaker but close to the same price as PS4 and XB1).
People can argue that it's better value because it's both a handheld and a home console...but a big chunk of consumers just want one or the other, the "added value" will mean nothing to them.
I like this.
breakfuss
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Lol @ those prices. Insanity.
Why?
Mr. Wonderful
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I think the gamble is will people actually use the console as a hybrid, as Nintendo has intended?
I could see a lot of kids, families, etc. not taking the time to dock the system.
I could see a lot of kids, families, etc. not taking the time to dock the system.
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