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[Father_Brain]

The issue is how everyone all of a sudden whenever something goes down have "sources" that backs up claims. For months on end we had all these credible people claiming minimum ps4 graphics and sources were telling them this. Even people backed up the wsj original article. Industry leading and needing high end pc's to run the demo doesn't seem like an x1 even customizable. The reason people were against hybrid is because iwata before his death specifically said they weren't doing that. They were saying that just to be asses and hate the idea. So obviously from this newest "rumor" some things just don't add up. My point being to the member I quoted is instead of getting all down and depressed over these latest rumors just let it play out. You will always have people that "back up" claims with their sources. When Nintendo unveils we will know all.

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The original WSJ article doesn't even contradict the newer reports that much - Tegra X1 is an "industry-leading" mobile chip, and it was right about NX comprising both handheld and console functionality. The old article even says that the exact shape of the hardware is unclear.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I take issue with the idea that credible people were saying the NX would be a PS4-killer.

 

[casey_contra]

Gimped versions of what they would be on a proper home console is exactly what you will get on the NX. Which is my main point of contention.

IGN on OOT3D: "Rest assured, though, that [playing this] will not only let you relive a masterpiece, it will let you experience it in the best way possible."

I can find tons of other reviews echoing these sentiments. Being able to play these remasters on the TV would be even better!

 

[casey_contra]

Slate design is ok but man those controllers in 2 player mode, they are gonna be tiny... unless its one chunk of a handheld..

If it's around the size of the GBA Micro (the controllers, not the system lol) I'd be more than okay with it.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Agreed, I am hoping it comes in different skews based on your play style. IE portable skew and console skew which has more power

I'd like that as well since I have little interest in portable gaming these days, and just tolerate it for the great games exclusive to 3DS and Vita.

I don't see it happening though. At least not the first year or two. With all their marketing woes, I don't see them wanting to try to explain, market and sell multiple configurations.

They're probably best suited on that front to put all their eggs and messaging in one basket, to get people to buy one affordable package that plays all their releases etc.

If it does really well, then maybe they branch out with multiple configurations in 2-3 years, much like they've done with their handhelds getting bigger sizes, new models like 2DS, N3DS etc.

 

[James Scott]

What Hyrule Warriors Legends? I think that could be an excellent example of scaling down a console game for handheld. Though NX would obviously need to handle that automatically rather than having a new version just for the handheld form factor.

Probably not the best example since it needs the upgraded 3DS to not run like garbage.
I think we could very well see some TV exclusives.
If the dock is included and it does provide more power then it makes sense to make games exclusive for it since all NX owners will have it

 

[bs135]

It's "dat feeling".

The NX is going to be a system developed to work within handheld power requirements. That by default limits what the system is going to be able to output compared to what a dedicated console could. The NX is going to give you handheld quality games.

If this system was truly going to be unique the dock would expand the capabilities of the handheld. If it doesn't, you are going to be stuck with previous generation quality console games simply because of the power requirements a handheld has to stick to.

Call the NX whatever you want. In terms of the games it can output to a TV, it will be little better than a previous gen experience.

 

[Taigerr]

come to think of it, didnt some site describe the syetem as its like if Samsung and 2DS were merged together or something???

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Slate design is ok but man those controllers in 2 player mode, they are gonna be tiny... unless its one chunk of a handheld..

I don't think we'll get a lot of two player games that use one half of the controller. Most will probably use both snapped together or something, and they'll sell Pro pads for 2 player gaming.

The single piece game as will just be platformers and stuff much like games you could play with the Wiimote sideways.

 

[Graphics Horse]

If it's around the size of the GBA Micro (the controllers, not the system lol) I'd be more than okay with it.

If the controllers have an extra 2 buttons on the far end like that and the Wiimote, it would solve most of the problems with the designs, also makes the dpad/diamond dilemma less of an issue.

 

[casey_contra]

come to think of it, didnt some site describe the syetem as its like if Samsung and 2DS were merged together or something???

Yes, but the same site also claimed the fake NX controller as real.

But they also said there would be an HDMI dongle and it would be close to the XBONE to power... which is interesting. It might be worthwhile to revisit these rumors?

But I think this source is banned here on GAF.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I just had a moto e in my hands,...yikes.

Pls Ninty, 720p screen.

 

[MrRin]

Nvidia's next-generation Tegra mobile chip is on its way
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3097...neration-tegra-mobile-chip-is-on-its-way.html

Parker will have four ARM-based Cortex-A57 cores and two homegrown Denver2 cores, according to Nvidia. It will integrate a graphics processor based on the Pascal architecture, which is in the latest Nvidia GeForce GTX1080, 1070 and 1060 graphics chips.

 

[Okami Haundo]

Probably not the best example since it needs the upgraded 3DS to not run like garbage.
I think we could very well see some TV exclusives.
If the dock is included and it does provide more power then it makes sense to make games exclusive for it since all NX owners will have it

My intention was to merely provide an example of a console game that's scaled down to handheld. I'm not sure if I could see the TV exclusives angle if the NX works how I'd imagine. I think it would be a marketing nightmare to explain that some games won't work in the handheld mode.

If that's the case why are people so against 10k (Yes I know it's him) saying there is a console out in the wild? That would just be another form factor like iwata said in that quote. People choose to believe what they want. I will just wait for September and hope for the best.

I think people are against 10k just because he seemingly spouts off literally anything he hears. It makes his "sources" seem much less believable.

 

[Okami Haundo]

Edit: Double-post.

 

[rekameohs]

While pretty, something very basic about a design like this (two identical controllers on either side) that I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is how you would convey to the user, for instance, which "A Button" to press when they're together for your standard huge game with lots of button inputs. Sure, they could have "Press Right A Button for..." etc. but that seems incredibly clunky and it seems counterintuitive to Nintendo's philosophy of keeping things simple for newcomers. Then, if the two controllers were different, like the left one had a d-pad labeling on its buttons and the right had ABXY, you'd need something that uses the mini-controllers (e.g. Netflix) to say "Press X / D-Pad Down for..." which is the same problem if not worse.

That's why I'm thinking the "two controller pieces" are not literally two controllers, but two unsymmetrical halves of one controller, like the Wiimote + Nunchuk or the PS Move + Subcontroller.

 

[NateDrake]

He didn't say the tegra won't be used. He said it might be used for the handheld but not the home console, which he still believes is coming.

Please report right.

He dismissed the idea of Tegra saying there is no evidence supporting the idea. He says it 14mins into the video. And he continues to dismiss the idea of Nvidia being involved in the handheld on Twitter.

 

[Father_Brain]

If that's the case why are people so against 10k (Yes I know it's him) saying there is a console out in the wild? That would just be another form factor like iwata said in that quote. People choose to believe what they want. I will just wait for September and hope for the best.

Number of credible outlets corroborating NX hybrid: 5

Number of credible outlets corroborating rumors of a more powerful x86 console: 0

Can't imagine why people wouldn't believe 10k anymore!

 

[Cuburt]

How come no sites "confirmed" cartridges when it's been speculated for months now and these sites have sources that can confirm it once Eurogamer scoops it?

Not even a "from our sources, we've heard that is the case" that I recall, because otherwise every site with "sources" should have been acting like the cat was out of the bag on that one.

Not saying it's not true, since that is one of the pieces of the story I actually find more plausible, I just think the way sites have reported on this is odd.

 

[James Scott]

My intention was to merely provide an example of a console game that's scaled down to handheld. I'm not sure if I could see the TV exclusives angle if the NX works how I'd imagine. I think it would be a marketing nightmare to explain that some games won't work in the handheld mode.




I think people are against 10k just because he seemingly spouts off literally anything he hears. It makes his "sources" seem much less believable.

Sure, if the OS is shared I imagine it's possible to program it like PC where you can downgrade the graphics to low settings and have it run on lesser hardware.
I don't think it'll be much of an issue from a marketing standpoint. If you buy it, it'll work on your NX, just not on the go.

 

[Ashby]

Man, this next month+ wait until the official reveal is gonna kill me.

 

[GhostTrick]

Yeah I can't imagine we'll be seeing games like Xenoblade or Zelda on handhelds.

Lol. Fuck this if it happens.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

I doubt it will be that small
But the 2DS was 5 inches tall
You might fit it in large pockets
If you take the sides out from their sockets

This thread needs more NX opinions expressed through the medium of poetry.

 

[Okami Haundo]

How come no sites "confirmed" cartridges when it's been speculated for months now and these sites have sources that can confirm it once Eurogamer scoops it?

Not even a "from our sources, we've heard that is the case" that I recall, because otherwise every site with "sources" should have been acting like the cat was out of the bag on that one.

Not saying it's not true, since that is one of the pieces of the story I actually find more plausible, I just think the way sites have reported on this is odd.

Large sites don't want to throw down the "I have sources" card for every minor detail they report on. Whether they can back up an article or not, marking something as confirmed can potentially put your sources in danger of being exposed.

 

[bs135]

I think the NX is going to turn out to be an excellent Hand Held but poor home console.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Lol. Fuck this if it happens.

Sarcasm. Xenoblade and Zelda got released on a handheld....

 

[GhostTrick]

Sarcasm. Xenoblade and Zelda got released on a handheld....

I was thinking either sarcasm or the fact that these were ports. To be honest, I could see Nintendo adopting a handheld model for newer games.

 

[Taigerr]

Yeah I can't imagine we'll be seeing games like Xenoblade or Zelda on handhelds.

Its been "reported" that Nintendo catch phrase for the NX will be akin to Gaming on the go/Play your games anywhere any time.
The dungeons in BoTW didn't look that big to me at least so why shouldn't Zelda be portable?
Also Zelda is a system seller if the handlheld/hybrid is the only platform coming from Nintendo then it would be short sighted not to make BoTW playable on the go for maximum marketing effect and traction..... IMHO

 

[otakukidd]

I was thinking either sarcasm or the fact that these were ports. To be honest, I could see Nintendo adopting a handheld model for newer games.

Considering handhelds have sleep mode nowadays, is there a reason to do that? You play for 30 minutes, put it in sleep mode and then a couple hours later you turn it back on and your right back where you were.

 

[otakukidd]

Its been "reported" that Nintendo catch phrase for the NX will be akin to Gaming on the go/Play your games anywhere any time.
The dungeons in BoTW didn't look that big to me at least so why shouldn't Zelda be portable?
Also Zelda is a system seller if the handlheld/hybrid is the only platform coming from Nintendo then it would be short sighted not to make BoTW playable on the go for maximum marketing effect and traction..... IMHO

Those weren't the dungeons, those were the shrines. They are 2 different things but the game will have both.

 

[mikefrails]

Imagine thinking graphics matter over fun in 2016.

 

[Taigerr]

Those weren't the dungeons, those were the shrines. They are 2 different things but the game will have both.

..... noted... but still dont see the point in not having it playable on the go especially for market traction purposes...

 

[Okami Haundo]

Sure, if the OS is shared I imagine it's possible to program it like PC where you can downgrade the graphics to low settings and have it run on lesser hardware.
I don't think it'll be much of an issue from a marketing standpoint. If you buy it, it'll work on your NX, just not on the go.

I think the shared OS thing really boils down to what comprises the NX. If it really is just a console that has a handheld mode, I don't see why it would have two different OS'. If

I still can't see eye to eye with you on the marketing perspective there. If they want tout the NX as a console that lets you take games on the go, console-only games would fight against that. I think it sends a very mixed message to say the NX supports the handheld mode, but then come out with games that don't support it.

 

[randomengine]

NX leak confirmed:

I think we need to start talking about this more.

What are those extra hinges at the bottom for?
What is the recessed area in the middle for?
Where do to cartridges go?
Where does the screen fold?
Does the screen go all the way to the edge as it appears. Is it that touchscreen we have seen in the patent images?

Edit: Oh SHIT, I see the detachable controllers. Look at the flaps on the bottom of the controller, see that red button, that they are made from a different colored plastic. I bet you they can come out and be used for something. Additional multiplayer perhaps while someone holds the screen/controller?

Edit #2 - OH Shit, or think about them rotating 90 degrees and laying flat as a stand. I bet you that is it what it is. A stand that can be detached from the controller.

Edit #3 - The recessed central area is an NFC reader for amiibo.

Edit #4 - The screen folds backwards to lay flat against the bottom of the controller.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Considering handhelds have sleep mode nowadays, is there a reason to do that? You play for 30 minutes, put it in sleep mode and then a couple hours later you turn it back on and your right back where you were.

Yep. Hopefully they improve sleep mode compared to 3DS though. My Vita can go weeks with little battery drain, 3DSxl and now N3DSXL barely make it a week even if I turn off wifi, street pass etc.

 

[bs135]

Imagine thinking graphics matter over fun in 2016.

Imagine thinking it would be better to have both.

 

[weepy]

Imagine thinking graphics matter over fun in 2016.

Why not both?

 

[mikefrails]

Imagine thinking it would be better to have both.

Why not both?

Because 3D World still manages to look great on weak hardware.

It's CLEARLY not as detrimental as some of you guys make it out to be.

 

[Kurt]

So would the screen provide 3d like the 3DS? (better evolution of it)

One of the patentguy included describes it.

 

[Okami Haundo]

I think we need to start talking about this more.

What are those extra hinges at the bottom for?
What is the recessed area in the middle for?
Where do to cartridges go?
Where does the screen fold?
Does the screen go all the way to the edge as it appears. Is it that touchscreen we have seen in the patent images?

I like your idea if for nothing else than to have some fun speculation. Here are my ideas:

- The screen-area is "dumb" and is meant just for display purposes
- The controller houses the "brain" of the NX, or at least part of it. The cartridges plug into the controller
- The extra hinges are an optional attachment that makes the controller similar to the "pro" controller for Wii-U in terms of feel.

What're your ideas?

 

[otakukidd]

..... noted... but still dont see the point in not having it playable on the go especially for market traction purposes...

They can still make it playable without making bite sized chunks. Cause of sleep mode, you shouldn't need to design a game around being able to play it on the go. It should just be playable as normal and when you are done for that period of time or arrive where you are going, you just pop it into sleep mode.

 

[phanphare]

Its been "reported" that Nintendo catch phrase for the NX will be akin to Gaming on the go/Play your games anywhere any time.
The dungeons in BoTW didn't look that big to me at least so why shouldn't Zelda be portable?
Also Zelda is a system seller if the handlheld/hybrid is the only platform coming from Nintendo then it would be short sighted not to make BoTW playable on the go for maximum marketing effect and traction..... IMHO

we haven't seen any dungeons from BotW yet..

 

[Kurt]

I like to remind you all that the attached controllers on the screen cannot be used separated as controller (because those have no batteries in it).
So as eurogamer already told, separated controllers would be delivered for when playing on TV. Because of that i'm still wondering about the touchscreen.
The issue is that is they are going to develop a game which uses specific the touchscreen, it would be a problem.

 

[Cymbal Head]

Gimped versions of what they would be on a proper home console is exactly what you will get on the NX. Which is my main point of contention.

It's silly to argue that a game is "gimped" relative to what it would be like on hardware that will never exist.

For example, I'm not going to say that I think the Xbox One should have smell-o-vision and that therefore the games we're getting are gimped on non-smelly hardware.

 

[Taigerr]

I still can't see eye to eye with you on the marketing perspective there. If they want tout the NX as a console that lets you take games on the go, console-only games would fight against that. I think it sends a very mixed message to say the NX supports the handheld mode, but then come out with games that don't support it.

I dont think Nintendo can afford to be complacent or to take things for granted.
If what we heard is true about hybrid concept,then this thing sounds like marmite.... they have to market the heck out of it despite the captive 3DS audience they have and WiiU die hards....

 

[Dark Cloud]

How many of these same "sources" believed that controller with the haptic buttons on the screens were real? I remember some people and/or websites were saying that controller with the screen and haptic buttons were real....I mean give me a break. All of a sudden everybody's source now knew the NX is a handheld hybrid with Nvidia as a partner?

 

[bs135]

It's silly to argue that a game is "gimped" relative to what it would be like on hardware that will never exist.

For example, I'm not going to say that I think the Xbox One should have smell-o-vision and that therefore the games we're getting are gimped on non-smelly hardware.

A home console that is limited to hand held power requirements is gimped no matter how you slice it.

 

[Okami Haundo]

I dont think Nintendo can afford to be complacent or to take things for granted.
If what we heard is true about hybrid concept,then this thing sounds like marmite.... they have to market the heck out of it despite the captive 3DS audience they have and WiiU die hards....

I agree with you completely. They can't have a 3DS, 2DS, "new" 3DS thing going on here where NX is a family of devices with different functionality. It should be one device with a consistent experience across the board. They can provide options in the form of controllers and storage, but I think anything outside of that can hurt them.

 

[Griss]

How many of these same "sources" believed that controller with the haptic buttons on the screens were real? I remember some people and/or websites were saying that controller with the screen and haptic buttons were real....I mean give me a break. All of a sudden everybody's source now knew the NX is a handheld hybrid with Nvidia as a partner?

Dude, the 'haptic' sources were Gaf and Reddit users.

This comes from Eurogamer, the most trustworthy gaming website there is, and has been corroborated by the Wall Street Journal who also have an outstanding track record.

These rumours are true, bud, just accept it. I'd bet my account on it.

 

[Oregano]

Yeah I can't imagine we'll be seeing games like Xenoblade or Zelda on handhelds.

Yeah Nintendo might be up for it but will third parties?

I can't see NX getting anything like Resident Evil or Tekken.