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[jdstorm]

Hopefully the docking station will enhance the technical capabilities of the standalone portable console,so that when used as a home console it will be powerful enough to manage PS4 and XONE ports.

Just wishful thinking, I know...

A lot of games are built on scaleable engines so most devices can run those games.

The Xbox360 manages to run Rise of the Tomb Raider and a according to a TechGAF thread it only has 94Gflps of usable power (.094Tflps) the issue becomes more about acceptable resolutions/frame rates and other effects.

Would most Gamers accept Overwatch if it looked like a N64 game with every setting turned off and rendered at 360p? Probably not. But they do accept 720/60 on the Xbox one regularly. And even 720/30 on the Wii U.

I think this is the question Nintendo is trying to answer with the NX. What's the baseline performance most consumers will accept is it 540/60 with a solid AA solution and upscaling.

 

[AzaK]

If you detach the controllers from the screen to play at home then how do you handle touchscreen inputs?

You wouldn't. If you want touch games on the go, you should play on the go (Undocked). if you want to play console (controller) games on the big TV then that's when you dock it.

 

[TLZ]

Bolded: citation needed
Underlined: false

The original WSJ article doesn't even contradict the newer reports that much - Tegra X1 is an "industry-leading" mobile chip, and it was right about NX comprising both handheld and console functionality. The old article even says that the exact shape of the hardware is unclear.

But it said it will be a console and at least 1 handheld, right?

 

[netgrimoire]

I guess I'll have to wait and see as far as the design, but I hope it's something sleek/modern/clean.

I would liked to see something like this from Nintendo (without the detachable controllers):

 

[Inuhanyou]

Hopefully the docking station will enhance the technical capabilities of the standalone portable console,so that when used as a home console it will be powerful enough to manage PS4 and XONE ports.

Just wishful thinking, I know...

I don't think that's likely at all considering we already know NIntendo are not chasing Sony or MS's graphical capabilities.

But that doesn't even matter,because Wii got tons of 360 and PS3 ports. Its not a matter of whether the machine is strong or not compared to the competition, but whether or not third parties see the use of investing resources in a port on the platform

But it said it will be a console and at least 1 handheld, right?

THat was never stated either

 

[Hakai]

Now you guys are talking about the NX being a phone??? What about the part where Iwata told us the NX was a "Dedicated game platform"?

 

[Father_Brain]

But it said it will be a console and at least 1 handheld, right?

It could be interpreted that way, but not unambiguously, no. "Mobile unit + console" could just have been the source's interpretation of the handheld and dock.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

But that doesn't even matter,because Wii got tons of 360 and PS3 ports. Its not a matter of whether the machine is strong or not compared to the competition, but whether or not third parties see the use of investing resources in a port on the platform

And those didn't sell. RE4 port at 2 million Call of Duty World at War at over 1 million (out of 15 million total) are the only two games that one would consider popular mainstream multiplats on the competition that sold more than a million on the Wii.

There just isn't a big market of Nintendo only owners that want those games. Most Nintendo owners that want them would still rather play them on the more powerful consoles and the consoles where their friends are playing online in the case of stuff like CoD.

And a fair chunk of the Nintendo only crowd just doesn't like those type of games which is why they only buy Nintendo hardware.

So it just makes little sense for Nintendo to chase Sony/MS in specs, or for third parties to bother porting their mainstream franchises. Third parties are better putting out games they want to make that appeal to Nintendo's base more than gamers on PS/Xbox (things like Rayman and what not).

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

If NX really is capable of playing Nintendo's own Smartphone games - those will have to be always online I assume - I don't see why to not just offer very basic Smartphone capabilities as well.

Probably ports of the games. I don't think NX will run android games natively.

 

[Jpop]

I guess I'll have to wait and see as far as the design, but I hope it's something sleek/modern/clean.

I would liked to see something like this from Nintendo (without the detachable controllers):

That looks clunky and uncomfortable as fuck though.

 

[BD1]

I disagree completely. Availability of countless apps are too ubiquitous to ignore.

You think Nintendo's hardware had a third party problem as a console? The lack of third party apps is a far bigger problem for a phone than the lack of third party games would be for a Nintendo console.

Do you know the average number of App downloads in the US per month? It's zero. I don't think an App Store filled with thousands of apps would help the system, nor would not having it hurt it.

I have said in this thread, that Nintendo MUST have communication and social apps on the phone. Snapchat/Instagram/Periscope/WhatsApp/etc.

If they can produce a device with enough features that users don't have to pull out their phones on their morning train ride, they may be on to something.

 

[EVH]

If Nintendo is still unable to build a decent online game community when they have been there since the beginning, the one who thinks they are able to build and mantain a decent smartphone must be living in another world.

 

[……forgetit]

To me, the NX only makes sense if it is a phone. I don't think anyone wants dedicated handhelds anymore, rapidly shrinking market.

The phone market is insanely cutthroat. It would do terrible there, not to mention they'd basically have to give up on the kid's market if that was the case. A nintendo phone makes literally no sense.

 

[oti]

Probably ports of the games. I don't think NX will run android games natively.

Sure. Doesn't t change the fact that they'd be always online even if you're on the go. Unless Nintendo sees the NX versions as "Premium" versions that don't need to be always online or maybe they're not even free.

I'm just seeing this single (presumably) touch screen and can't but wonder why to not just build in a SIM slot. Pokémon GO would need one for instance. And I'm not saying that Pokémon GO HAS to run on this thing (who knows how popular it'll be come March) but I'm sure Nintendo sees this phenomenon and thinks to themselves "hey, we want this too". I can practically see Miyamoto's face glowing thinking about gameplay ideas.

 

[JaMarco]

Now you guys are talking about the NX being a phone??? What about the part where Iwata told us the NX was a "Dedicated game platform"?

The phone market is insanely cutthroat. It would do terrible there, not to mention they'd basically have to give up on the kid's market if that was the case. A nintendo phone makes literally no sense.

Y'all may be right and it's not a phone. All I know is, if it's a dedicated handheld it will fail. Nobody wants to drag around 2 pocket devices anymore.

 

[Babymario26]

Im trying to figure out on what page the nx turned into a phone.

 

[netgrimoire]

That looks clunky and uncomfortable as fuck though.

I'd like to see something like this though, with a Nintendo "solution" because you're right, it does look super uncomfortable.

 

[Squall5042]

Waiting for the portable portion to be called 'GameBoy' while the console portion is called 'HomeBoy'

 

[Inuhanyou]

And those didn't sell. RE4 port at 2 million Call of Duty World at War at over 1 million (out of 15 million total) are the only two games that one would consider popular mainstream multiplats on the competition that sold more than a million on the Wii.

There just isn't a big market of Nintendo only owners that want those games. Most Nintendo owners that want them would still rather play them on the more powerful consoles and the consoles where their friends are playing online in the case of stuff like CoD.

And a fair chunk of the Nintendo only crowd just doesn't like those type of games which is why they only buy Nintendo hardware.

So it just makes little sense for Nintendo to chase Sony/MS in specs, or for third parties to bother porting their mainstream franchises. Third parties are better putting out games they want to make that appeal to Nintendo's base more than gamers on PS/Xbox (things like Rayman and what not).

I'm not disagreeing, infact i was agreeing with you by saying it really matters little for NX to chase Sony and MS, thus Nintendo should be fully confident in doing their own thing.

THat's what i've always thought for Nintendo, they need efficiency, precision, and targeted laser focus on what they and their partners are good at, and i think consolidating their library as well as focusing on the casual lower end gaming crowd and going out with an absolute treasure trove of software a super low price is what is going to make this thing the ultimate success.

If they do it right, i think they will sell more than any Nintendo unit has sold before.

 

[Instro]

If Nintendo is still unable to build a decent online game community when they have been there since the beginning, the one who thinks they are able to build and mantain a decent smartphone must be living in another world.

No kidding, this company has been generally awful at everything outside of games. I'm not sure why anyone would rally behind the phone idea anyway, it's not going to happen.

 

[JaMarco]

Im trying to figure out on what page the nx turned into a phone.

179

 

[Earendil]

6 inches is pretty big for a handheld.

This is GAF, I thought everyone here had huge hands.

 

[Malakai]

And those didn't sell. RE4 port at 2 million Call of Duty World at War at over 1 million (out of 15 million total) are the only two games that one would consider popular mainstream multiplats on the competition that sold more than a million on the Wii.

There just isn't a big market of Nintendo only owners that want those games. Most Nintendo owners that want them would still rather play them on the more powerful consoles and the consoles where their friends are playing online in the case of stuff like CoD.

And a fair chunk of the Nintendo only crowd just doesn't like those type of games which is why they only buy Nintendo hardware.

So it just makes little sense for Nintendo to chase Sony/MS in specs, or for third parties to bother porting their mainstream franchises. Third parties are better putting out games they want to make that appeal to Nintendo's base more than gamers on PS/Xbox (things like Rayman and what not).

I wouldn't use the Wii sales as an example considering the many ways publishers and developers were hell bent on sabotaging any success to be found on the damn thing. Call of Duty on the Wii where often not marketed and stealth released. Or in the case of COD 4 was released 2 years later(which was resource starved project as well) ... Often though games were of very poor quality ports Far Cry on the Wii. Also, for example in this generation, Resident Evil Revelations moved the most units on the 3DS however Resident Evil Revelations followup, wasn't even released on a Nintendo platform but somehow Capcom managed to release Revelations 2 on the Vita.

 

[TLZ]

Nm...

 

[Hero of Legend]

How likely is it that the NX when docked might support 4K and HDR like the XBO S?

The Tegra X1 seems to support 4K 60fps so the former maybe is likely? Dunno about the latter.

 

[Inuhanyou]

How likely is it that the NX when docked might support 4K and HDR like the XBO S?

The Tegra X1 seems to support 4K 60fps so the former maybe is likely? Dunno about the latter.

4K output? HDR? I think its likely in a device sold in 2017

 

[dtm808]

No kidding, this company has been generally awful at everything outside of games. I'm not sure why anyone would rally behind the phone idea anyway, it's not going to happen.

Isn't that what DeNA is for? They partnered with them to help with mobile and network back-end stuff.

 

[BY2K]

This is GAF, I thought everyone here had huge hands.

I DO!

 

[Somnid]

How likely is it that the NX when docked might support 4K and HDR like the XBO S?

The Tegra X1 seems to support 4K 60fps so the former maybe is likely? Dunno about the latter.

Shield TV supports it so I can't see why not aside from immature software.

 

[Hero of Legend]

4K output? HDR? I think its likely in a device sold in 2017

Yeah like upscaling I think is what the XBO S is doing, and supporting HDR on newer TVs. Other than that it's the vanilla XBO and not the Scorpio.

The XBO S wouldn't support native 4K games though right? Games would have to be XBO S exclusive otherwise no? Or it just can't render native 4K resolution and just only better scales to 4KTVs right?

 

[netgrimoire]

I DO!

Same. I got them yaoi hands :^ (

 

[BD1]

If I was Nintendo, I'd work hard to get EA, 2K and Activison to get the console-feature versions of Madden, FIFA, NBA2K, WWE2K and Call of Duty on the platform.

Other than that, Kyoto shouldn't worry about AAA multiplats. Get the mainstream casual big hitters, and lots of Nintendo games.

 

[AmyS]

Yeah like upscaling I think is what the XBO S is doing, and supporting HDR on newer TVs. Other than that it's the vanilla XBO and not the Scorpio.

The XBO S wouldn't support native 4K games though right? Games would have to be XBO S exclusive otherwise no? Or it just can't render native 4K resolution and just only better scales to 4KTVs right?

Xbox One S isn't designed for native 4K gaming. It has 4K blu-ray and streaming, plus HDR for games, but games should be the same resolution as the current Xbox One.

Xbox Scorpio in 2017 (6 TFlops, 320 GB/sec bandwidth) is being designed for native 4K gaming, even though Microsoft is not mandating 4K 2160p for all games. Devs are free to use Scorpio's horsepower anyway they want.

 

[jdstorm]

If I was Nintendo, I'd work hard to get EA, 2K and Activison to get the console-feature versions of Madden, FIFA, NBA2K, WWE2K and Call of Duty on the platform.

Other than that, Kyoto shouldn't worry about AAA multiplats. Get the mainstream casual big hitters, and lots of Nintendo games.

I wouldn't worry about 2K as much. EA and Activision should be plenty. Especially if Destiny gets ported (or Destiny 2)

 

[Deleted member 752119]

No kidding, this company has been generally awful at everything outside of games. I'm not sure why anyone would rally behind the phone idea anyway, it's not going to happen.

I agree.

I mean the only angle I can even possible try to contort myself to see is marketing them as "kiddie's first phone." And even that seems dumb as most parents would rather just pass down their iPhone/Droid when they upgrade.

Otherwise, switching phones is tough since it's unlikely Nintendo would put out an Android phone (and the Eurogamer report says whatever NX is has their own OS) and people are very locked into Android or iOS (or windows phone too I guess) and don't want to lose their paid apps they've bought over the years. I mean I'm not a brand loyal person at all in general but Apple would really have to piss me off for me to switch with all the apps I have on iPhone and iPad at this point.

 

[BD1]

I agree.

I mean the only angle I can even possible try to contort myself to see is marketing them as "kiddie's first phone." And even that seems dumb as most parents would rather just pass down their iPhone/Droid when they upgrade.

Otherwise, switching phones is tough since it's unlikely Nintendo would put out an Android phone (and the Eurogamer report says whatever NX is has their own OS) and people are very locked into Android or iOS (or windows phone too I guess) and don't want to lose their paid apps they've bought over the years. I mean I'm not a brand loyal person at all in general but Apple would really have to piss me off for me to switch with all the apps I have on iPhone and iPad at this point.

PokePhone, with integrated Pokemon AR games and built in PokeDex is the only phone I could ever see Nintendo bringing to market.

 

[Kimawolf]

If Nintendo plays it right they can make some huge sales. Market it as truly taking your games on the go. show people playing Call of Duty at home, taking the system out, playing some more on a bus or on lunch break.

show it at a random party and using the two controls to play a simple game of Madden or something. Show that this his a LOT of uses, and I think it will sell gang busters. Imagine being at a get together, playing some local multiplayer games, or playing real lan Call of Duty or something else.

Would be pretty nifty.

I like the simple slogan.

Game Your Way.

and have people gaming in their house, on the go, etc. The key will be to show the same big games being played without any difficulty or real transition. I also believe it will have some kind of 3g/4g connection due to them playing all their mobile games. throw a simple messenger on their, allow people to maybe add it to their cellphones line. Then you have a device which parents can feel comfortable giving to their kids of all ages, and older people could have online for cheap.

Just a thought, but this is a new kind of Nintendo, as obvious with them making the most powerful handheld ever, going with Nvidia and using a pretty cutting edge mobile chip for their device.

This is also the same Nintendo which just turned Zelda on its head, released Miitomo and watched Pokemon Go take off to stratospheric levels so therefore we can't judge them as he had in the past.

Perhaps the failure of the Wii U and the decline of 3DS woke them up. Poo poo my ideas, but just throwing them out there.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Yeah like upscaling I think is what the XBO S is doing, and supporting HDR on newer TVs. Other than that it's the vanilla XBO and not the Scorpio.

The XBO S wouldn't support native 4K games though right? Games would have to be XBO S exclusive otherwise no? Or it just can't render native 4K resolution and just only better scales to 4KTVs right?

XBOS does not support Native 4K for gaming. As you said its just an XB1 with a newer HDMI output technology to enable 4K/60 and HDR.

Original XB1 and PS4 support HDMI 1.4, which does not support 4K 60fps or HDR. HDMI 2.0 does

XB1S is being outfitted with HDMI 2.0, and we can expect NX to do so as well.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

PokePhone, with integrated Pokemon AR games and built in PokeDex is the only phone I could ever see Nintendo bringing to market.

And I doubt they'd want to go that route since they only have like 30% stake in Pokemon.

How they never bought that shit up outright when they were flush as hell with cash I'll never understand.

 

[Plinko]

If I was Nintendo, I'd work hard to get EA, 2K and Activison to get the console-feature versions of Madden, FIFA, NBA2K, WWE2K and Call of Duty on the platform.

Other than that, Kyoto shouldn't worry about AAA multiplats. Get the mainstream casual big hitters, and lots of Nintendo games.

Yep. A console-quality portable Madden would be a draw, I think.

 

[Striek]

Has anyone given a use-case as to how or why detachable controllers would be advantageous in what is otherwise simply a handheld console?

 

[Mr. Pointy]

I'm pretty sure the NX will be more comfortable than the Xbox Duke controller that GAF seems to love.

 

[Portugeezer]

Has anyone given a use-case as to how or why detachable controllers would be advantageous in what is otherwise simply a handheld console?

So they don't have to include another controller for playing the thing when docked.

Also, I guess, as a positive, if your handheld buttons fuck up you can replace them without needing to mess with the whole handheld. That is pretty cool now that I think about it, I might actually play fighting games on a handheld and not worry about destroying the buttons/dpad.

 

[ElMexiMerican]

Has anyone given a use-case as to how or why detachable controllers would be advantageous in what is otherwise simply a handheld console?

For those who prefer mobile touch controls perhaps? That's to say if the screen is actually touch enabled.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Has anyone given a use-case as to how or why detachable controllers would be advantageous in what is otherwise simply a handheld console?

Its Nintendo, they have to go with the strange in some way for their control interface...-sigh-.

I still don't understand why they could not just have like an IPAD type situation, where they have a screen, you can just layer the screen into a handheld type mount complete with buttons over it and use that for the handheld, and then when you get home, put it on the docking bay, and use traditional controllers used for the docking bay portion.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Sure. Doesn't t change the fact that they'd be always online even if you're on the go. Unless Nintendo sees the NX versions as "Premium" versions that don't need to be always online or maybe they're not even free.

I'm just seeing this single (presumably) touch screen and can't but wonder why to not just build in a SIM slot. Pokémon GO would need one for instance. And I'm not saying that Pokémon GO HAS to run on this thing (who knows how popular it'll be come March) but I'm sure Nintendo sees this phenomenon and thinks to themselves "hey, we want this too". I can practically see Miyamoto's face glowing thinking about gameplay ideas.

Yeah, I guess there's little harm in building in a sim slot if the form factor is conducive to use as a phone.

They could definitely make an offline version of Pokemon Go. Hell, even Google Maps added an option recently to download your local area maps to the phone for faster searches etc.

Pokemon Go on NX could do the same and give an option to "refesh" Pokemon spawns for a set period of time before you head away from wifi. It would hurt the social portion a little since people wouldn't be seeing the same spawns if not on cellular internet. But still a reasonable compromise.

I don't really see the point though. Aside from super young kids playing, everyone has a smartphone in first world countries these days (at least those with the money for luxury items like game consoles/portables). Nintendo should just leave Pokemon Go there and focus on building Pokemon Go integration into the first mainline Pokemon game on NX and do a lot of cross promotion to try and entice mobile players to buy an NX and the game to have something more to do with the Pokemon they've collected.

 

[LordRaptor]

Has anyone given a use-case as to how or why detachable controllers would be advantageous in what is otherwise simply a handheld console?

A handheld that has no screen of its own but that connects to a phone / tablet you already own would be one such use case.

 

[malboroking]

Do you know the average number of App downloads in the US per month? It's zero. I don't think an App Store filled with thousands of apps would help the system, nor would not having it hurt it.

I have said in this thread, that Nintendo MUST have communication and social apps on the phone. Snapchat/Instagram/Periscope/WhatsApp/etc.

If they can produce a device with enough features that users don't have to pull out their phones on their morning train ride, they may be on to something.

I don't believe that, do you have a citation? Even one person downloading one app would bring the average greater than zero. Either way the point is moot, a Nintendo cell phone isn't happening.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I really wish Nintendo would just overreact to these leaks and do the reveal. They walk at their own pace though.

I actually think this could be a controlled leak from Nintendo. To give people one aspect of the NX to talk about non-stop until the official reveal comes and there's a bigger aspect of the NX that was unknown up to that point.

 

[antonz]

I actually think this could be a controlled leak from Nintendo. To give people one aspect of the NX to talk about non-stop until the official reveal comes and there's a bigger aspect of the NX that was unknown up to that point.

Nintendo is stubborn as shit. It took them 10 days to even respond when Ubisoft pretty much leaking everything about the Wii U. Even then All Nintendo said was Project Café is real and we will tell you about it later on.