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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept

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Local multiplayer with a single system and game. It's basically the big console characteristic that this setup would add.
You don't need a detachable controller to do that.

What the detachable controls in the leaked mock up actually bring to the table is to allow Wii like or pointing functionality when the device is used with the TV in it's docked state.
 

antonz

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His "leaked photo" was two raspberry pis. It was total bunk.

He used the photo to get the point across that the NX can be taken apart to some degree for upgrades etc. He even states that is not NX. thread was made in a rushed fashion and bungled it.

The guy in fact seems to have plenty of knowledge that is just being reported now and he said 2 months ago that sources would talk in july. That can of course mean he is apart of a long planned prank that fooled everyone or there is truth to his words.
 

psyfi

Banned
For the controllers to work separately, they must be identical. Or capable of being identical. To provide a modern control experience, they must NOT be identical. Or capable of not being identical.
People used Wiimotes for multiplayer games just fine. If people thought it was weird or limited, they got over it quickly enough. Put an analog stick and d-pad on the left side of the NX, and an analog stick and four face buttons on the right. Boom. Already better than the Wiimote. Though having only sticks for movement would kind of suck.
 

Griss

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People used Wiimotes for multiplayer games just fine. If people thought it was weird or limited, they got over it quickly enough. Put an analog stick and d-pad on the left side of the NX, and an analog stick and four face buttons on the right. Boom. Already better than the Wiimote. Though having only sticks for movement would kind of suck.

Yeah, but you're not getting me. For the controllers to act as two multiplayer controllers when detached (as per Eurogamer, iirc) they must be capable of being the same. Wiimotes, after all, were the same.

If it was as you've said here, then one player would have a controller with an analogue stick and d-pad, and the other would have a stick and 4 face buttons. That's not the same, and using the d-pad as buttons would be a botch-job.
 

psyfi

Banned
"Boy I want to play some on my NX!"

*puts it together for 10 minutes*

"Nevermind."
Yeahhh... I think the detachable controllers on either side of the screen are simple enough, but the idea of modular controls beyond that feels a bit too messy. And again, too homermobile.jpg.

Yeah, but you're not getting me. For the controllers to act as two multiplayer controllers when detached (as per Eurogamer, iirc) they must be capable of being the same.

If it was as you've said here, then one player would have a controller with an analogue stick and d-pad, and the other would have a stick and 4 face buttons. That's not the same, and using the d-pad as buttons would be a botch-job.
A d-pad being used as face buttons is exactly what I think we'll get. I agree that it's not ideal, but I think that's what we'll get. It should work well enough.
 
A d-pad being used as face buttons is exactly what I think we'll get. I agree that it's not ideal, but I think that's what we'll get. It should work well enough.
This is the crucial point on why all the proposed mock ups in the thread don't add anything to this discussion since they are basically the exact same as the drawing from the leak but withouth any engineering or practical thought put into it. Just diferent degrees of prettier of the crude mock up Eurogamer posted.

The ginmick is not revealed yet, probably the controller related one.

A question to you. What's the scenario that justifies having a player using the Dpad as face buttons? What is been brought up to the table that justifes that disparity in controls?
 

psyfi

Banned
A question to you. What's the scenario that justifies having a player using the Dpad as face buttons? What is been brought up to the table that justifes that disparity in controls?
What other option is there, really? They can only put so many things on each controller piece. They could make both sides perfectly symmetrical, perhaps with something like the old Playstation style d-pad. I don't know, but I seriously doubt they're going to both putting a set of four face buttons on the left side when the d-pad achieves almost the same functionality.

Edit : And I think the mock-ups are pretty helpful, personally. Especially ChrisRo's, which shows what the detachable controllers could look like when detached. Helps sell the concept, imo.
 
What other option is there, really? They can only put so many things on each controller piece. They could make both sides perfectly symmetrical, perhaps with something like the old Playstation style d-pad. I don't know, but I seriously doubt they're going to both putting a set of four face buttons on the left side when the d-pad achieves almost the same functionality.
Let me see... how can i explain.

Why is of such importance to hold each tiny piece NES style to the point of compromising the device to pursue either new interface solutions or practicality?

Edit: In simple terms leaning so much on the traditional button schemes is compromising the device functionality and innovation from my point of view.

Would be great if the mock ups at least did an effort to come up with a solution to this, would be a ton more useful i think.

Edit : And I think the mock-ups are pretty helpful, personally. Especially ChrisRo's, which shows what the detachable controllers could look like when detached. Helps sell the concept, imo.
But selling the concept is Nintendo's job. Our efforts should be concentrated on how it could work and what it allows. All of the mock ups are the exact same Eurogamer image, watching then haven't brought up any new insides on the device.

Most of them put the face buttons and Dpad in impractical positions when they are operated with one thumb (handheld mode) due to how apart they would need to be, just because they need to accomodate the NES style of play when detached (home console mode).
 

psyfi

Banned
But selling the concept is Nintendo's job. Our efforts should be concentrated on how it could work and what it allows. All of the mock ups are the exact same Eurogamer image, watching then haven't brought up any new insides on the device.

Most of them put the face buttons and Dpad in impractical positions when they are operated with one thumb (handheld mode) due to how apart they would need to be, just because they need to accomodate the NES style of play when detached.
Yeah, the analog sticks and d-pad/face buttons will be uncomfortable to use when in the standard orientation if they're too far apart, and they'll be uncomfortable to use when detached if they're too close together. I agree that most of the mock-ups haven't taken that into account enough, but that's alright, they're just mock-ups. I've still found them fun and helpful.

Do you have an idea in mind that you'd prefer?
 

R00bot

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Can't wait for the NX to be nothing like anything we're hearing or speculating now lol.

I've made a vow not to believe shit until it's revealed.
 
Do you have an idea in mind that you'd prefer?
i adressed that in a previous post in this thread using some old examples i had in mind some time ago. However, those examples where not directly tied to the Eurogamer mock up. Not sure if it's of worth to adpat those to this since most of the discussion ends up falling in the aesthetic qualities of a mock up than the value of the concept XD

However, at the least is interesting to discuss as you said.
 

TunaLover

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Can't find the report (rumor?) from a japanese publication that mention an gigantic production of NX for the first year, at the time everyone though that the number would be wrong, but now we know that NX is the only system in production by Nintendo, maybe it was true after all?
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Steam controller already has a touchpad that can act however you want without any assembly. It can be a D-Pad, 4 buttons, scroll, touchpad, whatever. That would fit perfectly for detachable controls.
 

Fredrik

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Steam controller already has a touchpad that can act however you want without any assembly. It can be a D-Pad, 4 buttons, scroll, touchpad, whatever. That would fit perfectly for detachable controls.
No no no please no. I hate the Steam controller touchpad when used as a replacement for buttons and sticks.
 
No no no please no. I hate the Steam controller touchpad when used as a replacement for buttons and sticks.
Nintendo is smart enough to know how to make the controller work. Be it buttons or whatever they always hold themselves high in making controllers which work great for the most part.
 
Steam controller already has a touchpad that can act however you want without any assembly. It can be a D-Pad, 4 buttons, scroll, touchpad, whatever. That would fit perfectly for detachable controls.
It can act as those things, but it's only actually any good as being a mouse/scrollwheel replacement, it's awful as a button or d-pad replacement.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
It can act as those things, but it's only actually any good as being a mouse/scrollwheel replacement, it's awful as a button or d-pad replacement.

I think it's a matter of tastes, but this is not the place to argue this.

There was also one mock-up with button/d-pad combo that could work.
 
Do you guys remember any other console in gaming history that created so much anticipation (for better or worse)?

Because every drop of information is analyzed as if it was an ocean.
 

Durante

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It can act as those things, but it's only actually any good as being a mouse/scrollwheel replacement, it's awful as a button or d-pad replacement.
It's far better at aiming/camera control than a thumbstick though, and a thumbstick is very often used for those.

Not that I imagine Nintendo would go with something like that, so it's moot really.
 

psyfi

Banned
Do you guys remember any other console in gaming history that created so much anticipation (for better or worse)?

Because every drop of information is analyzed as if it was an ocean.
The Wii was exponentially bigger. People were hyped out of their minds, or at least very very curious. The concept was so new, the possibilities and speculation were endless.
 

psyfi

Banned
But Wii was revealed more than one year and a half before its release.

There wasn't this kind of madness regarding shape, gimmicks or software.
All you said was anticipation. In that department, the only thing I can think of that might beat the Wii is the PS2.

Regardless, I'm hyped for the NX, and definitely curious. :)
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Maybe I remember wrongly, but the hype for Wii was after revealing Wii Sports. not before revealing the console itself.
 
Its very funny, up until recently I had absolutely 0% interest in a new Nintendo home console due to feeling like they didn’t have a big enough library of games or make stupid decisions since the N64 yet things have changed.

Since Pokémon Go came out it spurred me to go back and finish Pokémon Y which I picked up when I got my 3DS last September but dropped off with and after finishing that I picked up Ocarina of time 3D. I always thought the idea of a hybrid console was an interesting one and since the Eurogamer article it actually has me interested again.

I do still need some more info, like will the handheld unit be sold separately or will it come with the docking station etc. and of course what the price is like important too. If these things are good I can see myself picking up the NX as the thought of being able to play Pokémon on the go and then on my TV is very tempting, especially considering how good Y and X looks on the 3DS so a more powerful console can only bring great things.

Don’t mess this up Nintendo, this is coming from someone who dropped off your radar long ago but wants to be proved wrong and get a great piece of hardware that feels versatile and has the combined development resources of your home and handheld consoles.
 

Roo

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So I saw NateDrake said on Twitter he received more info that would expand on certain elements of this whole thing leading to fears and worries to rest a bit. Did he say anything about it here? Can't seem to find it

Edit: just went through his post history but nothing interesting on the matter that I could see lol
Oh well maybe later today.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
So I saw NateDrake said on Twitter he received more info that would expand on certain elements of this whole thing leading to fears and worries to rest a bit. Did he said anything about it here? Can't seem to find it

A link would be useful, thanks :p
 

oti

Banned
You described the N-gage. Nintendo should get out of hardware before thinking about a smartphone.

You know, as terrible as the N-Gage was I feel like one could take it's main selling point, being different and a gaming machine, and use that for the Smartphone market. Every Smartphone is the same nowadays and again, I'm not saying Nintendo should market this as a Smartphone anyway.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I don't think Nintendo should make a phone or try to sell it as a phone. But I think a handheld that would have some basic phone functionalities would be quite a plus.
 
So I saw NateDrake said on Twitter he received more info that would expand on certain elements of this whole thing leading to fears and worries to rest a bit. Did he said anything about it here? Can't seem to find it

Edit: just went through his post history but nothing interesting on the matter that I could see lol
Oh well maybe later today.
I have no fears or worries at all. Everybody on this website should know we don't know everything. Nintendo hasn't said a word or revealed anything. This rumor from Eurogamer sounds great as it is. I'm looking forward to see what NateDrake has to say!
 

psyfi

Banned
Maybe I remember wrongly, but the hype for Wii was after revealing Wii Sports. not before revealing the console itself.
Aw yeah, if we're talking about pre-reveal hype/speculation, then I'm not sure. I started paying attention once the controller was revealed. I was out of control hyped, swinging my TV remote around in my living room pretending I was playing Zelda, etc. Haha
 

Roo

Member
A link would be useful, thanks :p

Yes, please

Oh, sorry. Thought you guys already knew since the tweets have been out for a while

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758817831471357952
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758689756414898177
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758818850997620736

The first tweet was posted 8 hours ago so I thought it was already here but nope
edit: Twitter is a fucking mess to navigate. Cant find the "worries and fears to rest" tweet but it is definitely there. Ugh >.>
 
But Wii was revealed more than one year and a half before its release.

There wasn't this kind of madness regarding shape, gimmicks or software.
Wii rumors started as soon as the codename "Revolution" leaked out sometime in 2004. From then on it was pure madness. I've never seen anything like the Revolution speculation train, the batshit theories, things like Nintendo On, etc. NX is hot speculation wise but Revolution was an entirely other story, social media or not. You gotta remember that the Revolution was unveiled very piecemeal and every little scrap made people speculate even more. The form factor reveal in mid 2005 led to speculation as to how it could possibly compete power wise with the other consoles and its conspicuous lack of a controller at said reveal left everything on the table from VR to haptics to other, more outlandish, ideas.

We roughly know what NX is going in, just like with Project Cafe. Revolution was anyone's ballgame.
 

nikatapi

Member
I'm still thinking of Zelda BoT on a handheld, man isn't that so cool. Playing at home on the tv, and then take the game with you on a trip. Fantastic.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Oh, sorry. Thought you guys already knew since the tweets have been out for a while

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758817831471357952
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758689756414898177
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758818850997620736

The first tweet was posted 8 hours ago so I thought it was already here but nope

I was going to post them here too, since I did a small research, but thanks.

EDIT: The tweet with fears put to rest? Here it is

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758770983406825472
 

oti

Banned
Oh, sorry. Thought you guys already knew since the tweets have been out for a while

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758817831471357952
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758689756414898177
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758818850997620736

The first tweet was posted 8 hours ago so I thought it was already here but nope
edit: Twitter is a fucking mess to navigate. Cant find the "worries and fears to rest" tweet but it is definitely there. Ugh >.>

Having worked with Nintendo in the past I find it hard to believe that so many random people on the web have direct sources who know a lot of stuff about the NX. Maybe they know some GameStop eployee or indie developer though. It's just really interesting to see those claims knowing how tight Nintendo usually is with their secrets.
 

nightside

Member
I think it's a matter of tastes, but this is not the place to argue this.

There was also one mock-up with button/d-pad combo that could work.


I love steam pad's back buttons, hope nx will have something similar. I'm pretty curious to see what nx will look like, I hope it will have a good ergonomic (unlike the wii u pad, quite uncomfortable).
 
I don't think Nintendo should make a phone or try to sell it as a phone. But I think a handheld that would have some basic phone functionalities would be quite a plus.

It's likely to have the form factor of a phone - that would make the most sense, really. But agreed that it should be avoided as being marketed as a phone, as that would be confusing.

I did a comparison between my Note 4 and my Vita just now and realised that my Note 4 was actually bigger in terms of screen and general dimensions, Vita controls notwithstanding. So Nintendo could easily do a 5 inch screen (or even as big as 6 inches, although this would be unlikely), add controls on and it would still remain portable.

But yeah, given Nintendo's design eccentricities (and modern philosophy), I'm willing to bet NX will look just like a slightly higher tech mobile phone - makes a lot of sense after the Wii Remote and Wii U tablet that it would follow.
 

antonz

Member
Having worked with Nintendo in the past I find it hard to believe that so many random people on the web have direct sources who know a lot of stuff about the NX. Maybe they know some GameStop eployee or indie developer though. It's just really interesting to see those claims knowing how tight Nintendo usually is with their secrets.

Thousands of people at this point have access or have seen NX to some degree by this point
 
Having worked with Nintendo in the past I find it hard to believe that so many random people on the web have direct sources who know a lot of stuff about the NX. Maybe they know some GameStop eployee or indie developer though. It's just really interesting to see those claims knowing how tight Nintendo usually is with their secrets.

All it takes is one leak. Then it becomes a game of telephone. More than one leak and people on the inside start to become a fountain of information.

These rules are universal and Nintendo isn't immune to them.
 
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