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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept

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KingSnake

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If the Nvidia President isn't the one presenting/marketing NX to people, Nintendo is making a huge mistake. That guy can sell paper.

This. The guy can sell NX founders edition for $399 at launch. Lol.

Pascal chip is a great news. Not necessarily for being more powerful (we don't know yet what kind of customisation will Nintendo require), but for being much more efficient. That means that even in handheld mode it can get great performance without too much battery drain. I hope Nate is right about this.
 
If any of you are hungry for some NX stuff to read, I thought this perspective was pretty interesting about where Nintendo could go with their new Nvidia partnership. Check it:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/29/12320792/nintendo-subscription-service-nvidia-netflix

Interesting read! I would absolutely pay monthly or yearly for a Virtual Console subscription service! I think that could be a good way for Nintendo to fund bringing games to the service in a more timely manner as well.
 
Man, how can you not be excited for this? Nintendo is coming back to their tech days it feels like and now it's high powered in a portable.
 
Man, how can you not be excited for this? Nintendo is coming back to their tech days it feels like and now it's high powered in a portable.
Not hard when you were already grumpy with the prospect of an Xbox one level Nintendo console and it turns out to be far weaker than that. And also if you like Nintendo handhelds that could actually fit in your pocket
 
Just saying it's Pascal doesn't mean much until we get clockspeeds and such, we just know that it's a recent tech that is more efficient on power.
 

orioto

Good Art™
Not hard when you were already grumpy with the prospect of an Xbox one level Nintendo console and it turns out to be far weaker than that. And also if you like Nintendo handhelds that could actually fit in your pocket

Those days are over i fear. People bought the XL more than the normal edition, and i can't put it in my jean's pocket personally..

The thing is, maybe they realized. People don't take their portable in a jean anymore anyway. They take it in a bag, or something like that. So.. You they shouldn't worry about that anymore.
 
Not hard when you were already grumpy with the prospect of an Xbox one level Nintendo console and it turns out to be far weaker than that. And also if you like Nintendo handhelds that could actually fit in your pocket
Meh Idc. I've never cared in my life about a handheld fitting in my pocket for the 20+ years I've played video games. If it fits in my pocket it's cool, if not I I carry it or put it in a bag.

Rösti;211847256 said:
You were perhaps thinking of NVIDIA's FY 2017 Second Quarter Conference Call: http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/n...-for-second-quarter-financial-results-4331681

It's not impossible that someone will ask about NX during the Q&A session of that.

Yeah, I was thinking of quarter conference.
 

psyfi

Banned
Yeah, on the rare occasion I take my handhelds out of the house, it's always in a backpack or some other kind of bag. I'm more worried about durability than size.
 

MuchoMalo

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Not hard when you were already grumpy with the prospect of an Xbox one level Nintendo console and it turns out to be far weaker than that. And also if you like Nintendo handhelds that could actually fit in your pocket

I wouldn't say "far." If it really is Pascal, we could end up with something like PS4>>XB1>>NX. So, we'd see ports like:

PS4: 1080p
XB1: 900p
NX: 720p

Frostbite games would be screwed, though.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Just saying it's Pascal doesn't mean much until we get clockspeeds and such, we just know that it's a recent tech that is more efficient on power.

It means at least that it can run better than X1 in handheld mode, because it's more efficient and less hot.
 
Those days are over i fear. People bought the XL more than the normal edition, and i can't put it in my jean's pocket personally..

The thing is, maybe they realized. People don't take their portable in a jean anymore anyway. They take it in a bag, or something like that. So.. You they shouldn't worry about that anymore.

I couldn't agree more on this one. I keep my wallet and phone in my two front pockets at all times, no room there for a game system. I'll take something with a bigger screen that I can just throw in my bag.
 

heringer

Member
This is getting out of hand. As always, people like to set themselves for disappointment, lol.

When has ever a videogame console surpassed or even matched people's initial expectations based on rumors?
 
Be careful guys, Pascal based doesn't mean it'll be the same as Nvidia Tegra next SoC. Could be using Pascal cores but with a lower count than Tegra Next.
 

Omadahl

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Those days are over i fear. People bought the XL more than the normal edition, and i can't put it in my jean's pocket personally..

The thing is, maybe they realized. People don't take their portable in a jean anymore anyway. They take it in a bag, or something like that. So.. You they shouldn't worry about that anymore.

Heck, I ended up just buying an over-the-shoulder bag to carry my 3DS, water, multi-tool, misc junk and my daughter's supplies with me everywhere. I don't need to fit the console in my pocket, I need to be able to see the screen (my eye-sight is horrendous).
 

thefro

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I wouldn't say "far." If it really is Pascal, we could end up with something like PS4>>XB1>>NX. So, we'd see ports like:

PS4: 1080p
XB1: 900p
NX: 720p

Frostbite games would be screwed, though.

They wouldn't look as good as XB1, but I don't think DICE would have problems porting Frostbite over if that's what EA wanted to do. They already have Frostbite running on mobile phones.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Hopefully, Thraktor will come soon and he'll outline all the possible scenarios (improved X1, in-between X1 and X2 and X2) as detailed as possible.
 

Somnid

Member
Those days are over i fear. People bought the XL more than the normal edition, and i can't put it in my jean's pocket personally..

The thing is, maybe they realized. People don't take their portable in a jean anymore anyway. They take it in a bag, or something like that. So.. You they shouldn't worry about that anymore.

Truth, hell people love 6" phones and those are pushing 3DS XL sizes too. I think the market has accepted it, and it allows portable companies to stuff more in so they're all over it. Though I did find the "detach controller modules to turn into iPod Touch-like system" idea an interesting one as it sorta compensates for that.
 

Ac30

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Be careful guys, Pascal based doesn't mean it'll be the same as Nvidia Tegra next SoC. Could be using Pascal cores but with a lower count than Tegra Next.

It'll still runner cooler and consume less power, which is positive any way you look at it.
 
This is getting out of hand. As always, people like to set themselves for disappointment, lol.

When has ever a videogame console surpassed or even matched people's initial expectations based on rumors?
Yep

I learned from the Wii and Wii U to keep my expectations at rock bottom. Watch this thing be more like a portable 360/PS3 that runs super cool with an insane battery life instead.
 
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Deleted member 752119

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I couldn't agree more on this one. I keep my wallet and phone in my two front pockets at all times, no room there for a game system. I'll take something with a bigger screen that I can just throw in my bag.

Same. Especially since I'm getting older and starting to need reading glasses for somethings.

I rarely take my portables out of the house anyway. Mostly just for trips out of town. iPhone and iPad are what I usually take everywhere. Though I don't do much gaming on them.
 
If the rumors are true, we're talking about high end tablet tech. The type that costs like $500 (not saying it will be $500). Why do people even remotely think Nintendo will sell that for $200.

Also if this detachable controller/screen using a stand thing is true it needs to be at least an 8" screen or so. Makes no sense to do that with like a 5-6" screen.
 

Speely

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If the rumors are true, we're talking about high end tablet tech. The type that costs like $500. Why do people even remotely think Nintendo will sell that for $200.

Well it's most likely going to be custom, and if the rumors about Nintendo getting a great deal out of nVidia's drive to land a console deal are true, then we could be looking at a very different beast than the tech that would be going into a tablet running a traditional OS, yeah?
 
It will kick the shit out of WiiU and more importantly 3DS

What more do we need?



Core count and clockspeed ?
If it's 1SMM clocked at 300mhz, good luck with your 76gflops. As for kicking 3DS anything can do that in 2016.

Pascal is an architecture, not an horsepower indicator.
 
Between a wiiu and xbox one but portable.

That's good, thats real good. Already has enough to differentiate it from the other two

For a handheld that's insane.

For TV, or projector in my case... i'd like better since XboxOne isn't even powerful enough for most high quality 1080P games.
 

Eradicate

Member
So, no one commented on the last mockup made that was a gaming tablet with cover controllers. (Here's the link for anyone interested!) But, for kicks, I was thinking about the free-form, donut-shaped screen talk from years ago (in addition to the glasses free 3D patent) and what that could look like with this new news. I was also keeping in mind statements made about absorbing the Wii U architecture. So, here it is in it's standard, portable configuration:

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You've got a tablet again, but it is formed around the two clickable analog sticks. You've got volume and select/start on the body, along with a camera and IR sensor (maybe...see below!). At the top, you have the scroll wheels closest to the edge (my best shot at making a wheel!) with a trigger button (L and R) closer to your finger tips. Behind the tablet, it has the bar across the top with semi-analog triggers. No buttons, I know, but here we go:


So, two controllers are removable from the back. These are slid in from the side (on a track) that slopes up enough at the end to get the stick through; you then push up on the outer part to latch it in. (On the bottom; just one of those clicky plastic pieces. To remove, you push on the latch to unleash it and slide it out.) This keeps the controllers secure. The controllers themselves have the analog stick, four face buttons, L/R, and scroll wheels. You lose the analog triggers in the back, though; I can only see that taking up way too much room, but maybe there is a way to make it work? But, the additional buttons on the front can make up for that. The whole face of the controller is that free-form screen...just because it's a mockup and looks cool. Well, not entirely true. (Again, stay tuned!) The screens on the controller are like little dummy Wii U controllers. The tablet here is just showing different scenes from the race taking place, but it could show a map, split screen (if playing with someone else), inventory, etc., or even be turned off. This picture shows what a picture would look like with the controllers removed, just to see what total extent of the screen is now unviewable. But...


Here's the same image with the tablet screen cropped. (Kind of 4:3? I did my best!) Cropped, even, there could be things against the black background in either bottom left/right corners, such as a timer for the race, mini-map, rankings from 1st to last in a list, etc.

Now, you don't have to have both controllers out to play. You may prefer it even. See, just because "why not," I was thinking how you could use the side controllers to provide a personal paralax/3D screen. The patent Nintendo published mentioned IR and a camera for eye-tracking; the tablet provides both! So, the controllers could also either have an IR in them, or I was thinking, potentially a magnet. (Another option described in the patent.) If you use magnets to provide tracking, it also opens the door for, say, a magnetically held on cover (think Apple's smart covers) for the back as well in tablet form, easily removable when you take the controllers out while also allowing the cover to be trifolded up and provide a tablet stand.

As a console, I just envision the whole shmoo getting put in a standard dock that charges it. You could use an HDMI dongle and have the dock be a wired (to the wall for electricity!) controller part, but I'm just thinking simpler here and providing a neater option. The detachable controllers can be popped into a shell easily enough (if desired) to have handles, maybe an additional analog stick or D-Pad. In this way, the tablet is still able to have a camera/IR/whatever to provide the paralax effect on the big screen as you are using the controller part it is paying attention to. (Though, again, I think the paralax effect could be much neater if done inverted with the smaller screen providing the effect, letting you glance around things and getting a gentler 3D effect. Just my opinion! Though, with local multiplayer, it'd have to be on the controller since I doubt the effect would work with two sets of eyes on one screen.)

And, if desired, the whole thing can be housed in the dock and a Pro controller used, or your Wiimotes, or any other millions of control options Nintendo has out there now.

And, disclaimer as always, but there's no way this is what Nintendo is doing! It's just interesting trying to piece everything together with rumors and whatnot!
 
Core count and clockspeed ?
If it's 1SMM clocked at 300mhz, good luck with your 76gflops. As for kicking 3DS anything can do that in 2016.

Pascal is an architecture, not an horsepower indicator.

Lets be reasonable. It wont run at a lower clock than whats standard among current smartphones and will likely have a larger battery

Dont be paranoid
 
It will kick the shit out of WiiU and more importantly 3DS

What more do we need?

The crazy thing is that the leap from the 3DS to the NX will be the biggest generational leap in gaming history (it could conceivably be several hundred times more powerful than the 3DS). It's so astronomical that it deserves to be in the Guinness book of world records.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
You'd be okay with 720p in 2017?!?!?

Everyone else is moving to 4K...

I've had no trouble enjoying games in 720p this year so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I can enjoy them in 2017 also.

It remains to be seen if Scorpio and Neo will be pushing native 4k games more than 1080/1440p upscaled games.
 

orioto

Good Art™
It will kick the shit out of WiiU and more importantly 3DS

What more do we need?

Yeah people need to realize the next Nintendo portable may really well be able to do way better than that, with a crystal sharp IQ on a 5" screen. That's just science fiction for portable game play.

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guek

Banned
This has been my thought all week. How on earth would this thing be 'affordable'?

My understanding, and keep in mind I'm a layman and this is what others have told me, is that the Tegra X1 was manufactured on a 20nm node which actually drives up its price compared to the expected 16nm X2. 20nm never took off and is being quickly phased out while 16nm is mature. This means the X2 will actually be cheaper to make, not to mention significantly more efficient, compared to its 20nm predecessor.
 
My understanding, and keep in mind I'm a layman and this is what others have told me, is that the Tegra X1 was manufactured on a 20nm node which actually drives up its price compared to the expected 16nm X2. 20nm never took off and is being quickly phased out while 16nm is mature. This means the X2 will actually be cheaper to make, not to mention significantly more efficient, compared to its 20nm predecessor.

Yeah im hoping the contract is for the 16nm SOC and not Nvidia eating some custom ordered 20nm contract through Nintendo

That would be a worst case scenario
 
Lets be reasonable. It wont run at a lower clock than whats standard among current smartphones and will likely have a larger battery

Dont be paranoid


Why ? If it's meant to run for 3-5 hours of intense gaming, it might be required. Keep in mind that a lot of mobile GPU are throttling during gaming.

I'm the one being reasonnable here.
 

NateDrake

Member
Why ? If it's meant to run for 3-5 hours of intense gaming, it might be required. Keep in mind that a lot of mobile GPU are throttling during gaming.

I'm the one being reasonnable here.
Do note that I never said anything about the power of the chip. I only stated the arch type. Only making note of that before this turns into a game of online telephone and things end up completely off-course.
 
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