Man, that would be so disappointing. I expect there to be a middle piece that the two controller halves attach to to roughly match a pro controller, but I also expect each half to have a gyro of their own. The middle hub will give added battery life and improve the ergonomics for long play sessions.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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A Link to the Past
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That's a bit different, we've had 2D/3D Marios on console for the last two gens, and 2D Zeldas have been exclusive to handhelds since the SNES.
Are you seriously worried about this? With all of Nintys resources freed up on q single device i would expect more diversity, not less.
I wouldn't worry. 3D Zelda doesn't make 2D Zelda irrelevant. There's countless examples of 2D and 3D counterparts coexisting on the same system. People are drawn to different mechanics, scope, art style, play style, nostalgia, price, etc. There's room for diversity.
TV out mostly, maybe a cheap scaler. I'd love it if the dock allowed a higher clock but I'm not expecting it.
Well luckily since all the teams are on the same device now, they can still develop the kinds of games they are used to developing. There is no rule against them still pumping out quicker 2D games... They'll just be on the same device. I have a feeling we will see a combination of portable-centric games that have shorter dev cycles and console style games that can also be played on the go.
Okami Haundo
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I would absolutely love it if that were the case, but I think it would drive up costs too much. My bets are firmly on Nintendo finding places like the controller to cheap out on what's included in the box.
Are you expecting games to run at the same res on the tv as the screen?
I would at least expect an upclock, there are no downsides.
Astral Dog
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Amazing isnt it.
James Scott
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Yeah. Wii U games look very good, the 3DS actively makes all the games on it look like garbage.
Every category except sales and install base. Which are kind of important.
James Scott
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I'd have to wonder, if Breath of the Wild is a new breed of Zelda, much like OoT in comparison to LTTP...I wonder if we'll get retro throw backs to those types of games in the future. Linear, dungeon focused games the size of OoT would be neat.
I'm saying how it looks. I know 3DS games sell very well. But the type of games possible on 3DS are rather limited. Top down with very little camera controls outside of a minor few titles like OoT3D and Monster Hunter
Aren't 2D Zeldas way more popular than 3D Zeldas in Japan?
This is pretty off topic, but please, no. Zelda has been far too linear for far too long. I want Nintendo to play around with LOZ, ALBW, and BOTW inspired formulas for a while, then I'll be okay with another OOT throwback game.
Graphics Horse
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They will only make Pokémon stadium games now it's a hybrid, what a shame
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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i thought this could happen, like when they wanted to enter the mobile market didnt they sell it at a loss too? specially with Chinese manufacturers ( or maybe im mistaking Nvidia with Intel?)
Seriously. The 3DS's 240p resolution is ancient for a device in 2016.
Father_Brain
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I don't think anyone without direct access to the hardware or its specs can answer that question. One would hope, though.
Adam_Roman
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The one thing I want with swappable controls is a Gamecube-style ABXY layout. Especially if there's Gamecube Virtual Console games.
Astral Dog
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i agree,
but, remember it was released in 2011 with a superflous 3D screen that doubled the resolution and Nintendo had to choose from two configurations at the time, they chose the cheapest but power efficient one.
im happy we are moving past that
(also i always find it funny when people mention the year like its supossed to change the hardware
, consoles/handhelds are not smartphones yet)brainchild
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We can say with a fair degree of certainty that it's theoretically possible (the X1 was halfway there). The plausibility of such a scenario is really the big question mark at this time.
Father_Brain
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Was X1 halfway there without active cooling, though?
brainchild
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I don't see how that's relevant. There's no need to remove the possibility of active cooling. We're talking about a theoretical scenario, not a practical one.
Some more hype
About the light, shaders etc.. Would the NX gpu improves, regardless of power ?
Also something i want to say, that's i've been saying for a while actually. If the NX is indeed more powerfull than the WiiU. That means, for games like.. Metroid, Wave Race, F-Zero, .. if they are developed on it, we never had graphical updates from those since the Wii/NGC.
Meaning the portable iteration of those games will be the most modern ever.
That's funny, cause in the end that's what was going to happen anyway, there was a trend. Nintendo portables started as low profile machines, then with the time they became more and more self sufficient, to the point where 3ds versions of every Nintendo games are the most popular versions.
It's the logical path that their new portable is not late, but actually a way forward to their last console.
PHOENIXZERO
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Being on par with the XBO would probably be like, a minimum for Nintendo having a real chance of garnering third party support unless NX does so well they can't ignore it but then that'll just mean the big AAA releases still probably won't be on there and just a team doing whatever else that comes about. Some sort of scalablity when it was in "handheld mode" (assuming with a 720p screen though could be ~540 I guess) and "console mode" (with games running at 1080p) would be interesting.
Father_Brain
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If using active cooling when docked would make the handheld unit uncomfortably hot when picked up, that seems relevant. I won't claim to be completely sure on that, however.
James Scott
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IIRC, Wii U uses OpenGL DX10 equivalent while PS4 uses a DX11 equivalent which prevented some games like KH3 from working on it.
Some more hype
About the light, shaders etc.. Would the NX gpu improves, regardless of power ?
Also something i want to say, that's i've been saying for a while actually. If the NX is indeed more powerfull than the WiiU. That means, for games like.. Metroid, Wave Race, F-Zero, .. if they are developed on it, we never had graphical updates from those since the Wii/NGC.
Meaning the portable iteration of those games will be the most modern ever.
That's funny, cause in the end that's what was going to happen anyway, there was a trend. Nintendo portables started as low profile machines, then with the time they became more and more self sufficient, to the point where 3ds versions of every Nintendo games are the most popular versions.
It's the logical path that their new portable is not late, but actually a way forward to their last console.
NX should use Vulkan which is the latest and around DX12 equivalent.
I'm not too familiar with what any of this means
lol
brainchild
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Right, but then you're getting into the feasibility of the spec performance in practical terms. If we're speaking in theoretical terms about performance only, this isn't an issue.
Nintendo won't have 3rd party support of that kind ever. Maybe if the NX sell a ton, but we'll get sport games and indie 3rd parties.
Isn't this irrelevant though? Aren't ARM and Nvidia too different to just port away?
Nintendo will just include heatproof gaming gloves. Now you're playing with heat.
Power Glove here we go!
brainchild
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LMAO
A metaphor for the heat they'll get from the investors for not going third party?
Depends on the game's underlying engine. A number (e.g., Unreal Engine 4) are available on ARM/X1, and others would likely be made available alongside the NX.
If anything, people should be hopeful that there'll be more top-down Zeldas.
With major Zelda games taking 5 years to develop, Nintendo will still have plenty of gaps to fill with other games. With top-down Zeldas being immediately distinguishable from the major Zelda games, there's every reason to believe that smaller in-between Zeldas will follow ALBW's style, since there's no risk of confusion.
VR looks pretty ugly on high-end 1440p displays. On a 720p (or 540p!) screen it will be intolerable. Beyond that, the NX is certainly going to be heavier and larger than the S7, even with the controllers detached.
They could always release a VR version at some point but for now? Nuh. Let's make a super strong handheld first.
If NX knocks it out of the park, at best it will rebuild relationships with third parties but I don't think you'll see the fruits of those restablished third parties until NX2.
My theory is you'll get the Japanese and indies day one, but the EA, Take Two and major AAA western published games won't come until the end of the NX life cycle and then continue on to NX2.
This is all assuming the NX doesn't bomb of course.
But those expecting NX to do what PS1 did for Sony or SNES did for Nintendo (where third parties shifted to those consoles in droves because of sales) are in for a world of hurt.
But we are also in an era where going console exclusive is almost a death sentence. If say, Square wants to bring FFXVI out on PS4, they'll likely put it on NX as well if there's enough units out there in Japan and worldwide.
But don't expect NX to get "automatic" ports of AAA multiplatform games like XB1 or PS4 get. Even when games are leaked and don't announce official platforms you can safely assume it'll be PS4/XB1/PC. The NX won't be one of those consoles that's assumed. It'll be a case by case basis. Like the Gamecube maybe.
Perhaps NX2 will get those automatic ports and be held in the same breath as a PS5/XB2/PC.
In term of NX reconquering some demographics, and also about the power. It'll be way more powerful than a PS3.
That means, and i'm taking that exemple not randomly, something like.. Dark Souls could be ported on it, in a pretty classy manner, why not 60fps even.
If i'm taking that exemple, it's cause well, Dark Souls, on the go, on a Nintendo platform.. I think it's the kind of thing that would change the what we expect from a Nintendo platform. A lot of non believers would be like.. damn.. It's still japanese, it's not the witcher 3 i mean, but Nintendo could maybe, or at least i think should absolutely try to have that. It's already multiplatform after all, except if From hates Nintendo for some reason ?
That's the kind of move i'm expecting, more than any gimmick, to make this portable something that defines a new demographic, and a new era for Nintendo.
That means, and i'm taking that exemple not randomly, something like.. Dark Souls could be ported on it, in a pretty classy manner, why not 60fps even.
If i'm taking that exemple, it's cause well, Dark Souls, on the go, on a Nintendo platform.. I think it's the kind of thing that would change the what we expect from a Nintendo platform. A lot of non believers would be like.. damn.. It's still japanese, it's not the witcher 3 i mean, but Nintendo could maybe, or at least i think should absolutely try to have that. It's already multiplatform after all, except if From hates Nintendo for some reason ?
That's the kind of move i'm expecting, more than any gimmick, to make this portable something that defines a new demographic, and a new era for Nintendo.
#PraisePascal
Yes we agree on that, they can't have AAA games right away. Maybe the only way is to sell like the wii did but even that will not secure any GTA, Witcher and Co.
It needs the "being different" to sell and to convince 3rd party to make games for them, while hoping we will not have only games centered on the gimmick of the console... Because otherwise why make games for a Nintendo console with Ps4/X1 specs and no particularity without the install base of those.
C'mon Nintendo, gives us something already.
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