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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Who do you trust? Random Twitter guy or Eurogamer and WSJ (And IGN for that matter as they corroborated Eurogamer's story)?
Spyder_Monkey
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I think its more denial than anything else. Like I remember the thread when the PS4k was first rumored by Kotaku and I think most of the posts first five or six pages were outright calling Jason Schreier a liar.
In the realm of Nintendo speculation, no amount of WUSTing is unthinkable. Especially on Twitter. I think it's safe to say that an nVdia SoC is powering the NX. Not just because of the outlets that have said as much, but also because it makes sense at this time.
UnemployedVillain
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What possible reason would it have to leave? Miss as a concept aren't necessarily tied to the Wii ecosystem
Dark Cloud
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It's safe to say this is real, but it's not everything and I'm at the point where I believe this NX handheld thing isn't the only NX system. I know some people on here keep saying "what's the point of a NX console if this NX hybrid can be used as a console too?", but I don't think Nintendo is only going for one hybrid system. I think there WILL be more NX systems aka multiple devices. Iwata even said they will let the market dictate which systems they want or something like that implying they would release multiple devices. Maybe, they won't be announced at the same time, but I think there's more for the upcoming year to 3 years.
I still remember the WSJ article last year when he reported the NX devkits or whatever went out to devs and it consisted of two parts I believe (event though he said 3 things on his Twitter) and he said one was a mobile unit. Most of us assumed it was a console and the mobile unit was like the SCD. How times have changed...
fabricated backlash
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What a depressing prospect.
Spyder_Monkey
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My only problem with that is that Nintendo has been pushing the "unique concept" with the NX and I can't see what else would be the concept.
I could see another device from them a couple of years down the line but it wouldn't be called the NX. Different products have different codenames afterall. I think this is what we're getting. Nothing more to it.
Sorry if this is off the current topic of the thread, but I keep thinking about the detachable controller(s) aspect of the leak, and I just can't see how they could make that work. This is assuming it is like most of the concept drawings, which have two parts of the controller that come off the side. If you think about doing that on a 5 inch screen... The 2 sides would just be way too small, imo, to make it comfortable. Current 3DS size controls are only passible due to the fact that you are holding it with both hands. Separate those sides, and there just wouldn't be enough there to grip onto. Aside from that, there is also an issue of the detachable controls in that configuration being sturdy enough.
So, what configuration might work better for this concept? I started thinking of something similar to say, an Asus Transformer. This would mean that it's a clamshell design, with the top half being a whole screen that detaches, and the bottom half being a controller.
Now, doesn't this concept sound familiar? Where have I seen this before... OH, THAT'S RIGHT:
It's Falco's gaming device from the Star Fox anime. Now, in that picture, also notice how the two parts fold out of the bottom in order to extend the grip area. That design in the photo isn't very well proportioned, but it is just an anime short, after all. I think you could adjust it so that, when the extended grips fold out, it would be a lot more similar to something like a Wii U Pro controller, albeit much more flat. This would work well as a regular console controller for when the screen portion is docked.
One other thing, for reference, this would also be very similar to the Nvidia Shield Portable, but with a detachable touch screen and a form factor that's a bit tighter.
Anyways, what do you think? Does this configuration seem a bit more feasible for what the leak was suggesting?
So, what configuration might work better for this concept? I started thinking of something similar to say, an Asus Transformer. This would mean that it's a clamshell design, with the top half being a whole screen that detaches, and the bottom half being a controller.
Now, doesn't this concept sound familiar? Where have I seen this before... OH, THAT'S RIGHT:
It's Falco's gaming device from the Star Fox anime. Now, in that picture, also notice how the two parts fold out of the bottom in order to extend the grip area. That design in the photo isn't very well proportioned, but it is just an anime short, after all. I think you could adjust it so that, when the extended grips fold out, it would be a lot more similar to something like a Wii U Pro controller, albeit much more flat. This would work well as a regular console controller for when the screen portion is docked.
One other thing, for reference, this would also be very similar to the Nvidia Shield Portable, but with a detachable touch screen and a form factor that's a bit tighter.
Anyways, what do you think? Does this configuration seem a bit more feasible for what the leak was suggesting?
Leona Lewis
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Thanks for answering my question. So, yes, it seems it's better to stay at 540p for the screen resolution and that having games at 540p and screen at 600p would influence negatively how the game looks on the screen. If the screen has to be bigger than 5", 5.5" would be ideal since it's still at 200 PPI
Dark Cloud
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Is this concept really unique though? I guess in video game hardware it would be.
I want somebody to leak a game so we can have a topic to only talk about NX games lol.
TLZ
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ShadowFox08
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They're putting all their eggs in one basket if they're merging handheld with console.
I'd imagine this means that the force feedback scroll wheel shoulder buttons won't happen? I can't see them fitting that tech into detachable controllers for a handheld (given that the screen/speakers will already be draining the battery). I suppose the scroll wheels might still happen..but the force feedback seems unlikely.
A shame as it's one of the best patented ideas they've had.
A shame as it's one of the best patented ideas they've had.
Cheeseman Battitude
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If NX is a hybrid and it sells like gangbusters, what will Sony and Microsoft do? Stick to what they're doing now or go up against Nintendo in the "portable" space? A formidable task if ever there was one.
KojiKnight
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Sony already struck out, and Microsoft has had prototypes for ages that that never panned out. Neither is going to challenge that market.
Honestly I think the hardware response would come from mobile companies, if these rumors are true.
Sony and MS would likely just expand their remote play/windows play anywhere tech.
Doesn't suit their strengths. Not right now anyway; maybe next generation of devices as if we are going with multiple versions of the same console then I think over time it might be technologically sensible to base it on mobile tech.
At the same time Nintendo does well with handhelds because it's not competing for space under the TV. I don't think Sony or MS have those sorts of games in their library (see Vita).
It's not Sony or Microsoft's decision whether they can make a portable PS4/Xbox One.
It's AMD's decision.
There are a great many advantages to consoles using off the shelf comodified parts, but one disadvantage is that their hardware strategy in the present and immediate future is determined by AMD. Obviously it's a partnership, so they collaborate on things like the Xbox One S, but AMD has bigger priorities than structuring their business around Sony or MS.
It's AMD's decision.
There are a great many advantages to consoles using off the shelf comodified parts, but one disadvantage is that their hardware strategy in the present and immediate future is determined by AMD. Obviously it's a partnership, so they collaborate on things like the Xbox One S, but AMD has bigger priorities than structuring their business around Sony or MS.
Because it would still be held back by the base 3DS hardware & its install base. And let's be honest, the 3DS is kinda on its way out.
-shadow-
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Really interesting too see this. I really do wonder if Nintendo's going to bother with GameCube BC. For some odd reason they never bothered with the WiiU even if the hardware supports is fully natively. So well see what they're going to be doing...
That does raise the question of what sort of storage solution the NX will have.
SD cards cam now go up to as high as 500GB. GameCube games are extremely Slammasters in size I think 1.5GB. However i think Nintendo will bundle either a 32GB or 64GB SD Card and it would be upto the buyer to upgrade. The docking station could also allow.allows a HDD which let's you transfer games to your SD Card when docked.
Exterminieren
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I still can't decide whether or not the people talking about the Star Fox thing being the NX are joking or not.
They didn't hand the design of their top-secret new console off to a third party animation studio to put it in for shits and giggles, guys.
They didn't hand the design of their top-secret new console off to a third party animation studio to put it in for shits and giggles, guys.
What's the speed on SD these days as I don't use them any more? 60MB/s on top end?
The sandisk 200gb card has up to 90MBs but on the reviews they were getting read speeds of about 63MBs.
I think you can get higher read speeds if you go with a lower storage option (good make).
Having to manage content between HDD and microSD would be a huge detriment to the handheld capabilities. Storage will have to be seamless and packed into the handheld.
It's going to ruin the entire premise of the thing if you pick it up off the dock and find that you suddenly lose access to all your installed games on the go. Or when you have to sit there and transfer data back and forth every time you want to take it with you. Not worth it.
I dont understand why you would want detachable mini controllers on the NX. If you are on the go with it, most likely you are playing solo. If you have it docked, you would most likely want a more comfortable option like a pro controller. In addition, button symmetry is different on each side so your left and right detachable controllers would have different button layouts ( how would this work for something like a fighting game?). Finally, I think it could take away from the uniformity and sleekness of the build quality - over time I could see the detachable controllers getting loose and rattling.
With so many inexpensive wireless controller options (think 8bitdo mini), I am failing to see the appeal of the detachable controller.
With so many inexpensive wireless controller options (think 8bitdo mini), I am failing to see the appeal of the detachable controller.
I expect there will be a separate pro controller that you can buy. I think the detachable controllers are more for simple games like 2d Mario etc. The 2 part controller I reckon will consist of 1 stick, 4 buttons (one side will have a d-pad which will act as the 4 buttons) and at least one shoulder button but probably 2.
I can also see the controller parts coming looser over time. Hopefully you can attach the unit to the dock without removing the controllers and use a pro controller.
Indeed, detachable controllers on a handheld still sounds like the dumbest idea imaginable.
The ergonomics, portability, design and button placement of the handheld itself all suffer, invoking durability concerns, all for what exactly?
Sell specific portable controllers for when you desperately want to huddle around a 6 inch display with a friend. Don't fuck up the design of a potentially great handheld by making them detachable. People aren't foaming at the mouth for that kind of local multiplayer experience.
Then again, the Wii-U also was created as if with blinders on. They had the idea of creating a console with a screen in the controller and just mindlessly kept working around that idea without ever questioning why people even need/want that. The second screen ended up being a huge waste of resources for most games and the entire console suffered from it.
Let's all hope they wisened up.
The ergonomics, portability, design and button placement of the handheld itself all suffer, invoking durability concerns, all for what exactly?
Sell specific portable controllers for when you desperately want to huddle around a 6 inch display with a friend. Don't fuck up the design of a potentially great handheld by making them detachable. People aren't foaming at the mouth for that kind of local multiplayer experience.
Then again, the Wii-U also was created as if with blinders on. They had the idea of creating a console with a screen in the controller and just mindlessly kept working around that idea without ever questioning why people even need/want that. The second screen ended up being a huge waste of resources for most games and the entire console suffered from it.
Let's all hope they wisened up.
Nice. Frame pacing looks kinda iffy, but if it's not running Android in the background plus Nintendo internal emulator magic it should be able to be pretty much perfect on the hardware. Shit man, I've wanted portable Gamecube games since forever.
LouieGeetoo
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I think the real hurdle is the Wii U's controllers' lack of analogue shoulder buttons. A lot of GameCube games, including Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion, make heavy use of that analogue functionality, so they'd have to figure out some way around that (or build it into the NX's controllers).
Maybe scroll wheels could replace that functionality somewhat?
Scroll for analog input and press for digital.
Edit: I do hope they go for scroll wheels because it would be great for Monster Hunter.
I like this very well said.
KratosEnergyDrink
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They planned Wii U when tablets had been costly and seldom. Nintendo just didn't expected tablets to be in every household a few years later.
What if the wheels aren't exactly like scrollwheels, but instead have a spring, like a miniature racing wheel? That could easily replace any analogue functionality, but it would also give it 3x the input options, you could scroll back, forward and push it down.
the controller part sounds fine to me as long as it's meant for single player. like if they're expecting two people to play on the same screen with a controller section each, then that's kind of a nonstarter. however if the point is to have a handheld while it's a handheld, and then just have what is essentially a wii remote + nunchuck at home, that should be fine. in this scenario, other nxes could probably link together out in the wild for multiplayer, or at someone's home like with smash bros. wii u and 3ds... or the controllers could proabably just detach and the screen can be stored separately.
and frankly having two separate controller pieces is one of the best things about the wii's wii remote + nunchuck setup. so goddamn comfortable i mean holy shit.
ExigentContact
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If you're talking purely about a new bit of hardware that inherits the 3DS in the way that the 3DS inherited the DS line, then it's mostly a matter of that family having a lot of issues over the long term. The 3DS sold very well for what it was, but it was still a steep dropoff from its forebear, its architecture is ill-suited for modern gaming, and Nintendo's online/shop infrastructure is simply too fractured between the Wii U, 3DS and legacy material to really make it worth doing a "3DS 2". A clean break, while costing some of the brand awareness that the DS line had and very likely killing off BC, will ensure that they can build towards a proper future instead of investing in a broken past. This is the kind of move they needed to do years ago, but I appreciate that they seem to be doing it before it's entirely too late.
Refreshment.01
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Disclaimer:
This is NIntendo's Free Form Patent with the detachable controller. The main point to get across is that when in HandHeld mode instead of using the physical face buttons they could be projected in the screen itself insteadd as virtual ones. The user wouldn't have any problem interacting this way since they are focusing on the touch screen and there's still a physical thumbstick that also serves reference purposes (Home Position).
With the apropiate design adjustments (not pictured) the device will reduce it's width considerably. There's also the option for the controllers to be folded in a void space down the device (see the 3. numbered thick view in the picture) and be extend as handles when in portable use for better ergonomics.
For my tastes, instead of bothering so much with face buttons i would have just stick a large Trackpad in there with reference markings in the surface so it could be used in any style (NES or Wii) without much problems while having full acces to similar face button functionality. But a lot of people want their physical face buttons i most admit.
- Main reason the 4 face buttons are down there is to appease the guys that like the NES style to multiplay when detached.
- The 4 face buttons could be higher closer to the Circle Pad so the user has access to them when using the controllers Wii Remote style. In this case the 4 face buttons would be covered when in Handheld Mode.
- This is just the concept. Ergonomics and proportions weren't taken into account so improvements are easy to make.
- A rectangular screen with holes would be more in line with the type of detachable controllers people are imagining.
This is NIntendo's Free Form Patent with the detachable controller. The main point to get across is that when in HandHeld mode instead of using the physical face buttons they could be projected in the screen itself insteadd as virtual ones. The user wouldn't have any problem interacting this way since they are focusing on the touch screen and there's still a physical thumbstick that also serves reference purposes (Home Position).
With the apropiate design adjustments (not pictured) the device will reduce it's width considerably. There's also the option for the controllers to be folded in a void space down the device (see the 3. numbered thick view in the picture) and be extend as handles when in portable use for better ergonomics.
For my tastes, instead of bothering so much with face buttons i would have just stick a large Trackpad in there with reference markings in the surface so it could be used in any style (NES or Wii) without much problems while having full acces to similar face button functionality. But a lot of people want their physical face buttons i most admit.
Pancakes R Us
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Return of the Wii fridge. Who was it, Perrin Kaplan? You don't keep everything in the fridge at once. Ho ho ho.
I hope NX comes with a decent amount of built in storage, none of this crappy 32GB BS, which is l what'll probably happen.
shouamabane
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External HDD/SD Card storage is fine with me. It's one of my least concerns.
Graphics Horse
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If it's done well it's a fine solution for those without a PC. There is going to be a finite amount of storage for large (32gb?) games whatever happens.
There's no way for it do be done well that doesn't involve swapping out data between HDD and SD. The entire premise of the device should be that you can play your games everywhere and as such all content should remain on the device.
NX isn't getting 60GB games like PS4 and XB1 anytime soon. The handheld should just come with a memory slot and a cartridge slot for physical games. 128GB cards are cheap as hell.
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