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New Titan X (Pascal) announced

Which upcoming Nvidia card are you most excited for?

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dr_rus

dr_rus

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Ulysses 31 said:
Has there ever been a top end GPU card that was good value?
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Sure, 980Ti from the latest ones, 8800GTX back in the days, R9700Pro, etc. It's mostly a question of how much performance you'll get from a higher price. The jump from 980 to 980Ti made it worth it, the jump from 1080 to Pitan X seems rather small (~30% probably) for what price they're asking.
 
Ulysses 31

Ulysses 31

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dr_rus said:
Sure, 980Ti from the latest ones, 8800GTX back in the days, R9700Pro, etc. It's mostly a question of how much performance you'll get from a higher price. The jump from 980 to 980Ti made it worth it, the jump from 1080 to Pitan X seems rather small (~30% probably) for what price they're asking.
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I was alluding to cards like the Asus Ares's, Mars and previous Titan cards.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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Maybe people are cautious with this one as it's a 'Titan' but it's not a full chip i.e it's cut down, which is not the same as the last Titan.

This hints there will be another, faster card with the full Pascal chip. I predict Nvidia will release that by the end of the year.
 
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JordanKZ

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
Maybe people are cautious with this one as it's a 'Titan' but it's not a full chip i.e it's cut down, which is not the same as the last Titan.

This hints there will be another, faster card with the full Pascal chip. I predict Nvidia will release that by the end of the year.
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If these rumours are true, people are going to be burnt in a very, very expensive way.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

Coulomb_Barrier

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JordanKZ said:
If these rumours are true, people are going to be burnt in a very, very expensive way.
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It also has a smaller jump in memory from the preceding card than is traditional. From 8GB to 'only' 12GB.

Titan X doubled what was on 980 Ti. Titan Black doubled what was on 780 Ti.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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JordanKZ said:
If these rumours are true, people are going to be burnt in a very, very expensive way.
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I can say with a 100% certainty that there will be faster cards than Titan X2 from NV in the coming years -)

And being based on a cut down GP102 isn't the biggest "problem" here. You should remember than GP102 is only 471mm^2 in its size - some 150mm^2 short of the production line reticle limit meaning that there may be a Pascal GPU of ~600mm^2 size which will pack ~1/3 more SIMDs than GP102. Oh horror.
 
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x3sphere

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JordanKZ said:
If these rumours are true, people are going to be burnt in a very, very expensive way.
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I expect it will happen. That said, there's always going to be something better around the corner... let's say a bigger consumer Pascal chip comes in 6 months but then Volta won't be far off. The cycle repeats.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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x3sphere said:
I expect it will happen. That said, there's always going to be something better around the corner... let's say a bigger consumer Pascal chip comes in 6 months but then Volta won't be far off. The cycle repeats.
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Of course this will all happen before AMD releases their first VEGA card :p
 
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Evo X

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I know it's not a great value, but think I'm going to get one anyway. What else would you do in my shoes?

I've got a Maxwell Titan X that has to drive a 3440x1440 100hz monitor and HTC Vive. GTX 1080 doesn't seem like that big of a jump performance wise, so I'm almost forced to buy this GPU.

Has anyone bought directly from Nvidia before? Is it a quality experience? How are returns and exchanges?

I've only bought GPUs from Newegg or Amazon in the past.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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Evo X said:
I know it's not a great value, but think I'm going to get one anyway. What else would you do in my shoes?

I've got a Maxwell Titan X that has to drive a 3440x1440 100hz monitor and HTC Vive. GTX 1080 doesn't seem like that big of a jump performance wise, so I'm almost forced to buy this GPU.

Has anyone bought directly from Nvidia before? Is it a quality experience? How are returns and exchanges?

I've only bought GPUs from Newegg or Amazon in the past.
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Are you in a rush? Because it would probably be wiser to wait a couple of months - a GP102 based 1080Ti can be just around the corner and will probably cost less than a grand.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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NVIDIA-TITAN-X-Pascal-3DMark-Performance.png

NVIDIA TITAN X (Pascal) 3DMark Performance

Roughly 1080 stock +30%, as expected.
 
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Evo X

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Real world performance might be more than 30%.

You have to keep in mind that the stock 1080 is clocked much higher than the Titan X, both base and boost. If the Titan has the same OC potential, that performance gap would widen a bit.
 
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Momentary

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Evo X said:
Real world performance might be more than 30%.

You have to keep in mind that the stock 1080 is clocked much higher than the Titan X, both base and boost. If the Titan has the same OC potential, that performance gap would widen a bit.
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What does the 1080 clock at in a custom loop?
 
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Weevilone

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Evo X said:
I know it's not a great value, but think I'm going to get one anyway. What else would you do in my shoes?

I've got a Maxwell Titan X that has to drive a 3440x1440 100hz monitor and HTC Vive. GTX 1080 doesn't seem like that big of a jump performance wise, so I'm almost forced to buy this GPU.

Has anyone bought directly from Nvidia before? Is it a quality experience? How are returns and exchanges?

I've only bought GPUs from Newegg or Amazon in the past.
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If you want to buy it, buy it.. but "almost forced" seems a stretch when we know a Ti part is likely.

Anyways, mostly wanted to comment on the second part. Buying from Nvidia directly is buying from Digital River. They handle the NV store. There seems to be a good bit of info out there about them.
 
Hawk269

Hawk269

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Evo X said:
I know it's not a great value, but think I'm going to get one anyway. What else would you do in my shoes?

I've got a Maxwell Titan X that has to drive a 3440x1440 100hz monitor and HTC Vive. GTX 1080 doesn't seem like that big of a jump performance wise, so I'm almost forced to buy this GPU.

Has anyone bought directly from Nvidia before? Is it a quality experience? How are returns and exchanges?

I've only bought GPUs from Newegg or Amazon in the past.
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I bought my original Titan X direct from Nvidia and no issues at all. You night want to call you bank or credit card company letting them know you are making a large purchase so it does not get blocked by the fraud detecting that some companies use.
 
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SmartWaffles

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Durante said:
I'd say 2 GHz is an average OC for a 1080 -- almost every decent third party model can do it. (It's also true that there are only very few cards which manage to go above that average to any significant extent)
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Almost all 3rd party ones boost to 2GHz and stay there by default. And yeah, you can't go much higher than that on air either.
 
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ExReey

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Looking to upgrade from my gtx970 sli setup. Now I'm not sure if I want to go for the Titan X P or 1070 sli...


And the 1080Ti will probably fall right between the 1080 and the Titan, right?
 
Coulomb_Barrier

Coulomb_Barrier

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Thinking about why Nvidia pushed back Volta to 2018. Their strategy seems to be to stretch out their 'Maxwell on steroids' Pascal arch (which is golden, btw) into 2017.

I'm thinking now that a similarly cut-down 1080 Ti with GDDRX5 VRAM is coming by the end of this year. Next year they'll release a 'true' Titan X. Full chip and HBM memory. Because of these perks enthusiasts will snap it up. Then that may be followed by another 1080 Ti card based on the same chip without HBM or with less of it.

Remember with Kepler the Titan was followed up with a Titan Black.

Bl@de said:
999$. If Nvidia is "nice" 899$. Unless Vega is a beast and cheaper.
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Could be that expensive. Can't see any way how Vega can compete with this though. They are gonna struggle to reach 1080 performance but that will be ok if they release at $500.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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Titan X "Rev. 2" mit GP102 angekündigt: Ab August für 1.200 USD [Update: Launch und offizielle Bilder]

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michael92 said:
By the time GP100 releases, 300mm^2 10nm cards with about the same performance will be 6-9 months away so it still won't be worth it. GP102 is a better deal in the sense that it will lose value more slowly.
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GP100 won't be released for gaming market, it makes no sense as it will be slower than GP102 while costing considerably more. A 600mm^2 GP200 or GP202 however is possible. It's also possible that a GV104 (Volta based) will be in the same performance league as GP102 and will launch next year.

It has always been like this and for now there are no reasons why it would end. If you buy a high end card you should be ready that it'll be beaten by a mid-range one next year.

Coulomb_Barrier said:
Thinking about why Nvidia pushed back Volta to 2018.
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Did you think about why they actually didn't?
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
I can't understand that as my phone won't translate. What do you mean?
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There are no signs that Volta is pushed to 2018. There are solid contracts on Volta supply for supercomputers which NV must fulfill in the 1H of 2017. This is likely for HPC-oriented GV100 of course but if the top part will be ready in 1H17 then there's no reason why simpler gaming parts won't hit the market in 2017 as well.
 
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AP90

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dmr87 said:
Where's my HBM2 at bruh.
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This..

I really hope they do not try to milk the GDRR5X mem chips for the high end Ti and future chips into late 2017... I want that new HBM tech before I upgrade my gpu again.

980ti owner here.

But.. glad to see performance almost nearly double (in TF that is..)
 
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laxu

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ExReey said:
Looking to upgrade from my gtx970 sli setup. Now I'm not sure if I want to go for the Titan X P or 1070 sli...


And the 1080Ti will probably fall right between the 1080 and the Titan, right?
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If you're not running into VRAM issues or play lots of games that don't support SLI then it might be best to just overclock the shit out of your setup and wait. The overclocked 980 Ti is roughly equivalent in performance to overclocked 970 SLI which is roughly the same as a stock 1080.

An overclocked 1080 is maybe 20% faster than an overclocked 980 Ti / 970 SLI and if the Titan X P is supposedly about 20-30% faster than a stock 1080 and the Titan X wasn't a great overclocker then it remains to be seen how it handles OC.To me the Titan X Pascal seems more like a quick money grab rather than a good investment in the future and I certainly don't care for the Founder's Edition blower coolers.

If you absolutely must have a single card and don't play in 4K then just grab a used 980 Ti to tide you over until next year.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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dr_rus said:
There are no signs that Volta is pushed to 2018. There are solid contracts on Volta supply for supercomputers which NV must fulfill in the 1H of 2017. This is likely for HPC-oriented GV100 of course but if the top part will be ready in 1H17 then there's no reason why simpler gaming parts won't hit the market in 2017 as well.
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Well from a business POV why would they sink money in rushing Volta to market when AMD won't have anything to touch them in 2017 and they hit gold with their Pascal arch? It's supremely efficient.

Let's be clear - I'm not saying they're not releasing new cards next year for the non-professional market. They will, but like I predicted above, these will likely be Pascal with HBM and full chips. If Volta is next year, it'll obsolete any Pascal HBM full chips (a true Pascal Titan) that they release. And if they don't decide to take advantage of HBM in the gaming enthusiast market with these full Pascal cards, they'll be leaving money on the table.
 
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michaelius

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
Well from a business POV why would they sink money in rushing Volta to market when AMD won't have anything to touch them in 2017 and they hit gold with their Pascal arch? It's supremely efficient.
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Well you could call it Reagan solution to cold war - when you are ahead speed up arms race to the point other side can't compete anymore.
 
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