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[Netherscourge]

The level of depravity here is shocking.

Everyone is bitching about the one feature that was downplayed the most, totally ignoring the whole purpose of the game. Exploration, Survival, Trade, etc... It's supposed to be YOUR galaxy to explore by yourself. Isolation was the theme pressed the hardest by the developers.

The most two people could do together in the game is maybe jump up and down like fucking idiots in front of each other. No co-op, no pvp, no shared experiences, no multiplayer. Just run around each other in circles. Yay.

But because two streamers have been temporarily denied that one, irrelevant experience, due to server overload, you're defaming the guy who made the game.


Gamers frighten me some days.

 

[ClosingADoor]

The level of depravity here is shocking.

Everyone is bitching about the one feature that was downplayed the most, totally ignoring the whole purpose of the game. Exploration, Survival, Trade, etc... It's supposed to be YOUR galaxy to explore by yourself. Isolation was the theme pressed the hardest by the developers.

The most two people could do together in the game is maybe jump up and down like fucking idiots in front of each other. No co-op, no pvp, no shared experiences, no multiplayer. Just run around each other in circles. Yay.

But because two streamers have been temporarily denied that one, irrelevant experience, due to server overload, you're defaming the guy who made the game.


Gamers frighten me some days.

Nobody is ignoring those other things, but they aren't what this thread is about.

 

[Bedlam]

That's fair enough - but honestly they've been like this since day one. Really obtuse about any bit of info about the game. Again, go check out old news threads. Shitposters on every page going on about how they hadn't revealed enough info about the game, or that it was all too vague. It's not surprising at all that Hello would stay as vague after release, because they want people to explore the game.

He was not vague about the specific things he is being asked right now again (can players see each other?) and won't answer to. What players were wondering about most of the time is what you would actually do in the game, what constitutes the gameplay look etc.

I really doubt this will damage their sales though? At least not in any substantial way.

Straight up saying "nope, you can never see other players" at this point could potentially cost them a couple of thousand sales and influence the communities reception negatively which could influence sales further down. It's obvious why you wouldn't give that answer right now. But you should.

 

[Inviusx]

The level of depravity here is shocking.

Everyone is bitching about the one feature that was downplayed the most, totally ignoring the whole purpose of the game. Exploration, Survival, Trade, etc... It's supposed to be YOUR galaxy to explore by yourself. Isolation was the theme pressed the hardest by the developers.

The most two people could do together in the game is maybe jump up and down like fucking idiots in front of each other. No co-op, no pvp, no shared experiences, no multiplayer. Just run around each other in circles. Yay.

But because two streamers have been temporarily denied that one, irrelevant experience, due to server overload, you're defaming the guy who made the game.


Gamers frighten me some days.

I feel like you should have read at least a few pages of this thread before stumbling in and posting this.

 

[c0de]

Spanish retail version on the game that comes with a sticker that covers up the online multiplayer logo.

Make your own conclusions.

The internet in Spain is so bad, they didn't want to disturb their internet availability with the huge multiplayer part of the game.

 

[SumptuousLemur]

How did it take this long for GAF to figure this out. People have had the game for over a week and as soon as I saw streamers PAUSE THE GAME it was clear you are always in your own instance.

You can't pause a game that is multiplayer, MMO, coop etc.

The implications of being able to pause the game are exactly this.

I am thankful. I am tired of online only games where I can't go take a shit or answer the door because its multiplayer.

 

[T.O.P]

The level of depravity here is shocking.

Everyone is bitching about the one feature that was downplayed the most, totally ignoring the whole purpose of the game. Exploration, Survival, Trade, etc... It's supposed to be YOUR galaxy to explore by yourself. Isolation was the theme pressed the hardest by the developers.

The most two people could do together in the game is maybe jump up and down like fucking idiots in front of each other. No co-op, no pvp, no shared experiences, no multiplayer. Just run around each other in circles. Yay.

But because two streamers have been temporarily denied that one, irrelevant experience, due to server overload, you're defaming the guy who made the game.


Gamers frighten me some days.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Sean was pretty clear that you shouldn't buy this to meet other people, you shouldn't expect to meet other people, and you might not even be in the same instance as other players.

 

[Shari]

Dude, their statements were clear from two years ago that even if you get to the same place you might not meet another player. They never said it would absolutely happen. This current debacle is bullshit, for sure, but buying the game based on the promise of a nebulous multiplayer mode was always a bad idea.

I didnt buy the game, I was expecting clarification to decide if I'd buy it or not, yet apparently after 5X pages we're still not able to tell that and the guy himself hasnt brought himself to drop a tweet to clarify this. Now dare to say we're jumping to conclusions.

There's plenty to do in the game, for god's sake. Check out the OT for just one minute.

I havent said the contrary and I even find the launch trailers very informative, I'm saying that for 95% of the development time people had question about what this game was about and that is what granted all this articles. This does not happen with ANY other game, and it doesnt because every single company likes to give the maximum amount of information about their game to the user because that's how marketing goes.

If you dont understand my point then I'm sorry, this is beyond repair.

Sean was pretty clear that you shouldn't buy this to meet other people, you shouldn't expect to meet other people, and you might not even be in the same instance as other players.

All to say that there's no online in fact and that is your own instance and you just upload discoveries. He could have said it straight or like that.

If he would have chosen the 1st we wouldnt have this thread. Yet some people continue to defend there's nothing wrong going on here.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Amazing

 

[c0de]

Is this a step-child of Big Buck Bunny?

 

[Bedlam]

Dude, their statements were clear from two years ago that even if you get to the same place you might not meet another player. They never said it would absolutely happen. This current debacle is bullshit, for sure, but buying the game based on the promise of a nebulous multiplayer mode was always a bad idea.

Wrong. What they said is it's "incredibly rare", "the chances are tiny" and that even if you would meet on the same planet, it's not guaranteed that you meet because a planet itself is also huge.

 

[Pop]

How did it take this long for GAF to figure this out. People have had the game for over a week and as soon as I saw streamers PAUSE THE GAME it was clear you are always in your own instance.

You can't pause a game that is multiplayer, MMO, coop etc.

The implications of being able to pause the game are exactly this.

I am thankful. I am tired of online only games where I can't go take a shit or answer the door because its multiplayer.

Hey man, if my instance is at night and my buddy's is during the day, I still better be able to see them. Haha this thread

 

[Crantius_Colto]

The level of depravity here is shocking.

Everyone is bitching about the one feature that was downplayed the most, totally ignoring the whole purpose of the game. Exploration, Survival, Trade, etc... It's supposed to be YOUR galaxy to explore by yourself. Isolation was the theme pressed the hardest by the developers.

The most two people could do together in the game is maybe jump up and down like fucking idiots in front of each other. No co-op, no pvp, no shared experiences, no multiplayer. Just run around each other in circles. Yay.

But because two streamers have been temporarily denied that one, irrelevant experience, due to server overload, you're defaming the guy who made the game.


Gamers frighten me some days.

And because he just can't get himself to make just one small explicit statement.

 

[stargateheaven]

Basically they were in different lobbys so they didn't see each other. That's why meeting another player chance is like, 0.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

This gif sums up some people's feelings on this game:

If FFXV or the Last Guardian have some issues(or outright fail) you will see the same type of posts.

Nah, NMS had as many haters as fanboys before the game released. But it's really odd people want to see this fail.

 

[Pop]

Basically they were in different lobbys so they didn't see each other. That's why meeting another player chance is like, 0.

Didn't help that one was during the day and the other at night.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Hey man, if my instance is at night and my buddy's is during the day, I still better be able to see them. Haha this thread

Then maybe clear up how it does work instead of having people be confused... That's like pretty simple PR right there. Your buyers have questions? Maybe answer them.

 

[UncleSporky]

Basically they were in different lobbys so they didn't see each other. That's why meeting another player chance is like, 0.

A GAF member packet sniffed the game and no location data is being transmitted to the servers. Kind of hard to be in a lobby when the server has no idea where any given player is physically located.

 

[Bedlam]

The level of depravity here is shocking.

Everyone is bitching about the one feature that was downplayed the most, totally ignoring the whole purpose of the game. Exploration, Survival, Trade, etc... It's supposed to be YOUR galaxy to explore by yourself. Isolation was the theme pressed the hardest by the developers.

The most two people could do together in the game is maybe jump up and down like fucking idiots in front of each other. No co-op, no pvp, no shared experiences, no multiplayer. Just run around each other in circles. Yay.

But because two streamers have been temporarily denied that one, irrelevant experience, due to server overload, you're defaming the guy who made the game.


Gamers frighten me some days.

Their pitch was and still is "shared universe" and their wording in several interviews made it seem like meeting another player against all odds would be the ultimate experience because it is so rare.

Playing this game and knowing there are other players out there is certainly different than knowing that you can only see the custom names of planets.

 

[Pop]

Then maybe clear up how it does work instead of having people be confused... That's like pretty simple PR right there. Your buyers have questions? Maybe answer them.

So you really expect to still see someone else if you're at different times?

 

[CyberPunked]

Doesn't the whole not requiring PS+ for the multiplayer features kinda confirm that there's no actual multiplayer (other than the naming thing)?

 

[THEaaron]

Their pitch was and still is "shared universe" and their wording in several interviews made it seem like meeting another player against all odds would be the ultimate experience because it is so rare.

Playing this game and knowing there are other players out there is certainly different than knowing that you can only see the custom names of planets.

Destiny is declared as a shared world game. Make out of that what you want.

 

[Pop]

Their pitch was and still is "shared universe" and their wording in several interviews made it seem like meeting another player against all odds would be the ultimate experience because it is so rare.

Playing this game and knowing there are other players out there is certainly different than knowing that you can only see the custom names of planets.

Nah, it's always been getting to the center.

 

[rayman1900]

Doesn't the whole not requiring PS+ for the multiplayer features kinda confirm that there's no actual multiplayer (other than the naming thing)?

You can play Journey without PS+ on PS3, just sayin

 

[Kinyou]

How did it take this long for GAF to figure this out. People have had the game for over a week and as soon as I saw streamers PAUSE THE GAME it was clear you are always in your own instance.

You can't pause a game that is multiplayer, MMO, coop etc.

The implications of being able to pause the game are exactly this.

I am thankful. I am tired of online only games where I can't go take a shit or answer the door because its multiplayer.

I wouldn't take that as definitive proof
You could also pause Watchdogs despite players being able to "invade" your game at any time. Only after a player joined your game was the pause function disabled. (Was actually a trick to notice early if you've been invaded) The question is just when exactly that joining process would happen for the other player in no man's sky

I'd definitely like to know if Watchdogs and journey transmitted the players position to a server or not.

 

[UncleSporky]

So you really expect to still see someone else if you're at different times?

You're saying one player should pause the game and stop time until it's about the same time of day as the other player is seeing and then unpause, and at that point they'd both see each other?

 

[The Elite]

Doesn't the whole not requiring PS+ for the multiplayer features kinda confirm that there's no actual multiplayer (other than the naming thing)?

Even if you actually encounter another person I don't think there will be any real multiplayer aspect to it that would warrant a PS+ sub. I guess you could continue travelling together while online but when you re-log in you may not end up in the same instance/server. I can understand not wanting to force people to use PS+ for something that has such a rare opportunity of happening.

 

[Crantius_Colto]

So you really expect to still see someone else if you're at different times?

Right now we don't even know if we can see someone else even if they are at the same time. We don't even know how time works. Instances impy that some information gets synced via servers. Would be just nice to now if it's possible at all. Dunno why that's so hard to answer with a short tweet.

 

[Tecnniqe]

A GAF member packet sniffed the game and no location data is being transmitted to the servers. Kind of hard to be in a lobby when the server has no idea where any given player is physically located.

A GAFer posting something don't prove anything.

Without proof there's not much to say. And even if it don't transmitted anything then there might be down to other things as well.

Clearly we don't know.

 

[Bedlam]

Nah, it's always been getting to the center.

And possibly come in contact with other players during the journey if you're really lucky. This was alluded to by Sean in various interviews.

That possibility does not seem to exist.

Destiny is declared as a shared world game. Make out of that what you want.

Equally bs, but in a different way.

 

[rayman1900]

A GAFer posting something don't prove anything.

Without proof there's not much to say.

And yet we're 56 pages depth !

 

[King_Moc]

Basically they were in different lobbys so they didn't see each other. That's why meeting another player chance is like, 0.

Why would they have lobbies? Why have everyone tracked by the network only to never see anyone? It's a waste. The idea of having separate instances is a strange one in a game like this, and is almost certainly not happening. The guy that tracked the network data pretty much confirms that as well.

 

[OCD Guy]

You can play Journey without PS+ on PS3, just sayin

PS3 has free online.

 

[locke_21183]

Apologies if someone brought up this point 20 pages ago, but I was interested in how the game is actually being marketed on the box, so when I was in the store today I took a look, and it clearly says '1 player' but with 'network features' - that seems a fair description?

 

[Tecnniqe]

And yet we're 56 pages depth !

Yep. And more to come.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Apologies if someone brought up this point 20 pages ago, but I was interested in how the game is actually being marketed on the box, so when I was in the store today I took a look, and it clearly says '1 player' but with 'network features' - that seems a fair description?

It is.

But some think that the statements of the developers are not "fair" because they had been (on purpose?) unclear about specific features in various interviews and messages.

 

[Blue Ranger]

What's more likely to happen will be a random video of two dudes just meeting randomly. Then that will be that.

I really hope this is the case.

Anyways this kind of misinformation is disgusting.

 

[Gravy Boat]

When people's purchase of the game comes down to wanting to explore a universe with friends, yes it is pretty damn important we get an answer right now. Instead it seems misinformation is being pushed to drive sales. This is shady as hell, as people have mentioned, had it been a different dev/pub they'd have been crucified for the failure to communicate.

I'm confused as to why this game has garnered so much good will with some. Usually when a game releases missing features day one all of GAF is up in arms.

They've never said you would be able to explore the universe with friends. Anyone buying the game with that in mind would have been disappointed either way. We don't yet know if what they DID say is misinformation.

 

[Bedlam]

Apologies if someone brought up this point 20 pages ago, but I was interested in how the game is actually being marketed on the box, so when I was in the store today I took a look, and it clearly says '1 player' but with 'network features' - that seems a fair description?

Mostly it seems to be labelled correctly as a SP game with no online-MP. But some spanish version seems to still have a network symbol on it that's covered by a sticker.

 

[GankzyMcfly]

Yes, on Twitter - https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/763271005003538432

A couple of Sean's recent tweets were about anxiously waiting for their Network Engineer to come in and fix things.

He also tweeted they were not expecting this many people on the first day. He posted about millions of uploaded discoveries and showed a screenshot of his monitoring PC with tons of crazy stats on it.

He tweeted that they added player scanning to the galaxy map to encourage players to try to find each other. Why the fuck would you do that if you were lying about it? Because he's NOT lying. It's called server overload.

Read his last 12 hours of tweets and give the guy a break.

2 tweet
A couple of Sean's recent tweets were about anxiously waiting for their Network Engineer to come in and fix things
Another tweet
He also tweeted they were not expecting this many people on the first day.
Another tweet
He posted about millions of uploaded discoveries
(Took a screenshot of his monitor then uploaded to the web to send via twitter)
Another tweet
He tweeted that they added player scanning to the galaxy map to encourage players to try to find each other.

I also happen to know about him tweeting about the 2 players who found eachother...

So roughly 5-7 tweets and much more actions like taking screen shots and uploading them to the web... can you please provide the link/tweet where he explains that when the servers are more stable the two players who found each other will be able to see each other (The main question he being asked by several people on twitter yet refusing to answer)

 

[Sword Of Doom]

And we have a right to be sceptical and call out obvious bs. I don't care how big or small the developer/company is.

Yes, he has. He flatout stated people would be able to see each other - now he won't give that same, short answer when pressured about it.

Making its money back and maximizing sales are related but not the same. What you call cynical is just a realistic view on how the industry works.

You're a sad person

 

[THEaaron]

And possibly come in contact with other players during the journey if you're really lucky. This was alluded to by Sean in various interviews.

That possibility does not seem to exist.


Equally bs, but in a different way.

You seem to be on a mission to tell everyone that there is no feature with yourself having nothing but speculations. Maybe you should rest a little bit.

 

[Venfayth]

And possibly come in contact with other players during the journey if you're really lucky. This was alluded to by Sean in various interviews.

That possibility does not seem to exist.

The feature could be broken, or not ready yet, in which case it might make its way in via a patch, which other things that people had been "lied to" about were in the day 1 patch.

 

[Shari]

Apologies if someone brought up this point 20 pages ago, but I was interested in how the game is actually being marketed on the box, so when I was in the store today I took a look, and it clearly says '1 player' but with 'network features' - that seems a fair description?

Yes it is. Single player game (ony in instance) with multiplayer features (discoveries).

 

[Bedlam]

They've never said you would be able to explore the universe with friends. Anyone buying the game with that in mind would have been disappointed either way. We don't yet know if what they DID say is misinformation.

"Can you play with your friends?" - "Yes"

"Only other players can see what you look like."

 

[Spacecowboy77]

This thread is more entertaining than playing the game

 

[Netherscourge]

A GAF member packet sniffed the game and no location data is being transmitted to the servers. Kind of hard to be in a lobby when the server has no idea where any given player is physically located.

Wouldn't I/O game data be encrypted to prevent hacking?

I doubt this guy's claim is true.

 

[ClosingADoor]

So you really expect to still see someone else if you're at different times?

The question is: are we able to see other people at all.

That is not clear at the moment. It was talked about in the past, but indications are now towards it not being in the game. Which some people would find disappointing.

And if it is in the game, but only in a certain way, then I think it is a good idea to explain to users how it does actually work.

Why wouldn't a developer explain how a certain feature in their game works? Or if it is there at all?

 

[napalmjam]

Haha 56 pages devoted to this . It's just a game guys if it bothers you that much move on and enjoy another games or go and watch a film .