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[Bedlam]

yep, it's pretty embarrassing how people jump to those full online mp conclusions

No one does that.

This is about the possibility of just seeing other players, not more. No combat, no trading or anything. Just seeing other players - which Murray himself confirmed multiple times in various interviews.

This is still the best post here. Went back to read it again. Lol. Glorious.

*edit. Shit, didn't mean to double post

Indeed. Indeed. At least this whole thing gave us this gem.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Good point but why is it a big deal??? Your goal is to survive to get to the center. Personal quest to get to the goal. Idk I came to the game like I did with Journey. If I saw another person cool if not whatever cause I'm getting to the goal.

Because people were under the impression this was in the game and it would be a cool feature. Nobody was looking at it as an MMO with a ton of multiplayer features I think. But the idea of other people being out there in that same universe and you being able to run into them - even if the chance is tiny, although as we have seen on launch, it is already happening that players are close and can coordinate a meet up - is a pretty cool one.

Is it suddenly a bad game now that the feature isn't there? Of course not. But it would have been a nice addition, one that has been talked about on multiple occasions.

Its a single player game. We'll I'm sorry for ppl who bought NMS for the possiblity to find ppl. Me and my daughter are enjoying it so far. Deuces.

It's not about whether you enjoy the game or not. I bet most people do. But a feature the developer talked about multiple times appears to be missing and said developer dodges the questions about it. A simple yes or no would clear it all up, but that is not happening. If they are staying quiet on purpose to avoid negative PR before the PC launch, I'd say that is a pretty bad thing to do.

 

[JaseC]

Pc version at midnight?

The game unlocks in 26 hours worldwide. Hello could quite easily change this, of course, but I'd keep those expectations low.

 

[flkraven]

yep, it's pretty embarrassing how people jump to those full online mp conclusions

Its a single player game. We'll I'm sorry for ppl who bought NMS for the possiblity to find ppl. Me and my daughter are enjoying it so far. Deuces.

I'll just let Sean Murray answer you guys. This is from a LONG TIME ago (two weeks):

"No Man's Sky": Is it single-player or multiplayer game?

Ultimately, the answer is both. However, the chances of bumping into another player in this colossal universe is extremely thin. Even if 100 players landed on the same planet at the same time, they wouldn't instantly be able to find each other: it's important to remember that "No Man's Sky's planets are the size of real planets.

http://www.universityherald.com/art...-buy-it-on-august-9-us-release-date-video.htm

Strange. At no point does he mention network limitation as a reason why you can't meet up with people. The only limitation seems to be the size of the galaxy and planets and the full scope of the human imagination.

 

[gossi]

No one does that.

This is about the possibility of just seeing other players, not more. No combat, no trading or anything. Just seeing other players - which Murray himself confirmed multiple times in various interviews.

Maybe you see a ghost of players in an easter egg? Something like that. Then the statement would hold up.

 

[RealMeat]

The lack of communication is the strangest part of this to me. Even if they came out and said they had to cut multiplayer, people would be angry they didn't say so sooner but we could move on. All this speculation is just fueling the anger.

 

[flkraven]

Maybe you see a ghost of players in an easter egg? Something like that. Then the statement would hold up.

Sean Murray: "The feature was in your heart all along."

 

[flkraven]

I stepped off my ship onto a new planet. I knew someone had been here because this planet already had a name.

It was a beautiful planet though. I spent hours there collecting and observing the wildlife.

As I sat there, just staring into nothing (or was it everything?), I thought I saw something off to the side of the screen, in the distance.

Was it another person? The first discoverer of this planet? A new friend?

I walked closer, hoping that I wouldn't scare them off. "I come in peace," I thought to myself with no way of informing them otherwise. The excitement was like nothing I've ever felt before.

But when I reached the spot, there was nothing. How had they got away? I was alone again.

Well, now I know they were never there because Sean is a liar. The planet's name was 'Duckshit', by the way. That's what this game is to me now.

This is still the best post here. Went back to read it again. Lol. Glorious.

*edit. Shit, didn't mean to double post

 

[spannicus]

No it's 6pm GMT, the time at which the Steam Store updates.

Eh

 

[Deaf Spacker]

No it's 6pm GMT, the time at which the Steam Store updates.

Fuuuuck.

 

[Mengy]

Through Christ, all things are possible. Maybe that's what Sean meant? Like, he didn't want to just flat out say 'no, you can't do that' because he also knows that only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes.

No, he was either being purposefully obtuse on the matter all of this time, or they pulled the multiplayer feature at the last minute. It is one of those two scenarios. But as the game is released right now, to say that “it is possible but unlikely to meet another player” is akin to Microsoft saying “sure you can play Halo 5 on the PC today”.

Because technically, it IS possible to play Halo 5 on the PC today. As long as you code your own Xbox One emulator and figure out how to rip the game disc to an image. It’s unlikely because there isn’t any official way to play Halo 5 on the PC, but technically it is still possible.

That’s how multiplayer is in NMS in the release version. Sure the game itself doesn’t have any code to allow players to see each other or meet up in the game, BUT if the mod community developed something that would act as a server client which could send other clients positioning data and movement info, that COULD allow players to meet up in game!!!

So sure, all things are possible. I agree. Maybe that is what Sean meant. I still think the reality is one of the two scenarios I mentioned above however: either Sean was being obtuse on purpose all of this time, or the feature got pulled last minute. Maybe they want to sell multiplayer later as an expansion? I could see that being the case.

 

[Shari]

The lack of communication is the strangest part of this to me. Even if they came out and said they had to cut multiplayer, people would be angry they didn't say so sooner but we could move on. All this speculation is just fueling the anger.

This is from a guy that had consistently 5-10 tweets a day for months even the days before the PS4 launch, and since the "two players met, mind blown" incident he hasnt said a thing and its close to two days now.

Make what you will out of it but people are just being naive on purpose around here.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Murph could not see Cooper.

Love, love is the only way.

 

[UncleSporky]

Mp in a universe this big would be a big challenge.

eg Destiny has about 10 planets..

Everyone keeps bringing this up, that multi is not in the game because it would be too difficult or impossible with the galaxy as big as it is etc.

Elite Dangerous has many things in common with No Man's Sky, and it's fully multiplayer.

Every star, a system you can jump to.

The way they handle multi and make it a little more likely that players run into each other is that there's a relatively small "bubble" of inhabited/developed systems where everyone spawns, where NPC factions provide services and fight amongst themselves etc. But even within that bubble there are hundreds/thousands of systems. It's just relatively small compared to the billions outside of it. And you can simply leave at any time and start exploring as far out as you like.

 

[Thabass]

Murph could not see Cooper.

Love, love is the only way.

SHE SAW THE BOOK THOUGH.

 

[Habaneroguy]

People work with the evidence they have, and the evidence given from the creators. Seeing as the devs and Sony are doing jack shit to clear things up (and the sticker nonsense), blaming the people that are unhappy comes off as little more than being outraged at outrage.

If that last comment was a bit snarky then I apologize. I'm just bewildered by the immediate hostility calling for lawsuits, refunds, threats(?), etc. I genuinely want to know what the deal is with player interaction, but at the same time I'm hesitant to point the finger because its still early, and there is so much that is unknown. Not good to fly off the handle and assume things when they aren't confirmed.

 

[gossi]

This is from a guy that had consistently 5-10 tweets a day for months even the days before the PS4 launch, and since the "two players met, mind blown" incident he hasnt said a thing and its close to two days now.

Make what you will out of it but people are just being naive on purpose around here.

They're working on the PC release, per one of the interviews. Sean's literally writing code for OpenGL. They haven't even got the release window set for PC yet (the Steam date and time is a placeholder, per HG). So if you're pondering why he isn't answering fan questions.

 

[Bedlam]

They're working on the PC release, per one of the interviews. Sean's literally writing code for OpenGL. They haven't even got the release window set for PC yet. So if you're pondering why he isn't answering fan questions.

Oh please ... a tweet takes 15 seconds. I'd chose that over several days of shitstorm and potential brand damage if I was the dev.

Again: it's just baffling how the community comes up with excuses for the developers again and again. Videogames.

 

[gossi]

Oh please ... a tweet takes 15 seconds. I'd chose that over several days of shitstorm if I was the dev.

He already tweeted that there's no multiplayer in the game. I guess he could retweet that again (I would).

 

[Irminsul]

They're working on the PC release, per one of the interviews. Sean's literally writing code for OpenGL. They haven't even got the release window set for PC yet (the Steam date and time is a placeholder, per HG). So if you're pondering why he isn't answering fan questions.

Erm, that surely is from an old interview?

The game is supposed to be released tomorrow on PC.

 

[flkraven]

If that last comment was a bit snarky then I apologize. I'm just bewildered by the immediate hostility calling for lawsuits, refunds, threats(?), etc. I genuinely want to know what the deal is with player interaction, but at the same time I'm hesitant to point the finger because its still early, and there is so much that is unknown. Not good to fly off the handle and assume things when they aren't confirmed.

I don't think anyone here has discussed any of these things. The most I've seen is some people deciding to not buy the game based on this.

 

[CharminUltra]

Maybe someone asked if anyone wanted tacos during the interview, just as the "can you see other players?" question was being asked, and Sean's "yes" was an answer to that?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I don't think anyone here has discussed any of these things. The most I've seen is some people deciding to not buy the game based on this.

Lol someone said a few pages ago that this opens them up to legal problems and that it will be "the end of hello games"

 

[Shari]

They're working on the PC release, per one of the interviews. Sean's literally writing code for OpenGL. They haven't even got the release window set for PC yet (the Steam date and time is a placeholder, per HG). So if you're pondering why he isn't answering fan questions.

It's not "questions" there's a huge mess about a single feature that could be cleared up with a tweet and the guy that writes on twitter even on the day before the release of the game on consoles can bring himself to write 144 chars to clarify it up.

But yeah, its because he's coding and in a rush for PC release. Cause PS4 launch wasn't probably rushed and he had all the time in the world to chill and promote on twitter.

C'mon FFS.

As a bonus, they dont even have a mandatory release date for Steam, they can do whatever the hell they want since it's not Sony's concern anymore so this "he's busy" argument its even more BS.

 

[flkraven]

He already tweeted that there's no multiplayer in the game. I guess he could retweet that again (I would).

He did not say there wasn't multiplayer. He sent a reminder, at the 11th hour, that people shouldn't expect a multiplayer game, but then he tweeted RIGHT AFTER that saying that the 'chances of people meeting are super slim', implying it was possible.

 

[Conkerkid11]

They're working on the PC release, per one of the interviews. Sean's literally writing code for OpenGL. They haven't even got the release window set for PC yet (the Steam date and time is a placeholder, per HG). So if you're pondering why he isn't answering fan questions.

I mean, if by release window you mean time of day that it will release tomorrow, then yeah.

Or by last minute essential code to write for the PC release, you mean the PC release that was originally supposed to happen 2 months ago.

 

[gossi]

I don't think anyone here has discussed any of these things. The most I've seen is some people deciding to not buy the game based on this.

I've seen threats online, I got one DM'ed to me on Twitter (I had open DMs configured) after I tweeted my packet capture for NMS from a fan saying they were going to come around and "do my head in". I reported it.

In this very thread somebody said they were going to sue Hello over this. I mean, welcome to the internets.

 

[ClosingADoor]

He already tweeted that there's no multiplayer in the game. I guess he could retweet that again (I would).

No, he tweeted it is not a multiplayer game. To follow it up with "The chances of two players ever crossing paths in a universe this large is pretty much zero.". Add to that earlier statements he made, it seems to indicate it is possible.

Either way it is confusing and the developers should clear it up. The game has launched, there is no reason to keep staying mysterious.

 

[The Jackdog]

No it's 6pm GMT, the time at which the Steam Store updates.

as in 2pm EST today or 2pm EST friday?

10am EST here now

 

[DOWN]

I think it was stupid to expect that Hello Games would build in code for synchronous multiplayer in a game where there's probably a 1 in a million chance that you would ever encounter another player. Anybody that follows game development knows that adding in network co-op increases your budget twofold. There's no way they would go through all the development and testing of full-on multiplayer just on the off-chance that two people happen to be in exactly the same place at exactly the same moment.

At the same time, it was incredibly shitty of Hello Games to pretend like player-on-player interactions were possible, when they very well knew they weren't building a backend or server infrastructure that could support that sort of play.

A project being supported by Sony and Santa Monica where the creator is saying they'll be able to show another player on the same location as you, does not make us stupid. They decided to put that out there. And let's not act like it was complicated multiplayer or matchmaking. He implied it was as simple as seeing someone and shooting them. Not complex trade or something. Hardly bigger than Journey's project that also wasn't about multiplayer.

 

[Bedlam]

He already tweeted that there's no multiplayer in the game. I guess he could retweet that again (I would).

Nope.

That doesn't rule out the possibility of minor MP features that he has talked about in the past. And you know it. He always framed the narrative as NMS not being focussed on MP.

Again: the excuses. Mindblowing.

I've seen threats online, I got one DM'ed to me on Twitter (I had open DMs configured) after I tweeted my packet capture for NMS from a fan saying they were going to come around and "do my head in". I reported it.

Yeah, the internet will be the internet. And we've seen sick stuff before from some NMS "fans" (the Kotaku incident).

In this very thread somebody said they were going to sue Hello over this. I mean, welcome to the internets.

Did they really say "I will sue them" or was it the post about potential legal problems?

The worst that I saw in this thread was someone calling Murray a "lying ass" and he immediately was called out for it.

Contrary to some claims, we are not out for Murray's blood. At least no one in this thread.

 

[Conkerkid11]

as in 2pm EST today or 2pm EST friday?

10am EST here now

Tomorrow

I think it was stupid to expect that Hello Games would build in code for synchronous multiplayer in a game where there's probably a 1 in a million chance that you would ever encounter another player.

In the same vein, it must've been dumb of them to allow us to name planets in a game with 18 quintilian planets when the odds of finding a planet another player's been to are very low.

But here we are, where day one at least two players "found" each other, and more and more players continue to "find" each other.

 

[The Jackdog]

I think it was stupid to expect that Hello Games would build in code for synchronous multiplayer in a game where there's probably a 1 in a million chance that you would ever encounter another player. Anybody that follows game development knows that adding in network co-op increases your budget twofold. There's no way they would go through all the development and testing of full-on multiplayer just on the off-chance that two people happen to be in exactly the same place at exactly the same moment.

Youre completely, 100% in the right.

The point is, if this was the case, they should of shut up or clarified what they were saying.

 

[flkraven]

I've seen threats online, I got one DM'ed to me on Twitter (I had open DMs configured) after I tweeted my packet capture for NMS from a fan saying they were going to come around and "do my head in". I reported it.

In this very thread somebody said they were going to sue Hello over this. I mean, welcome to the internets.

Weird. I haven't seen that, but perhaps I missed it. Regardless, the overwhelming majority (I'd say 99.9999%) just want Sean to answer the damn question. And not in some cryptic code either.

 

[gossi]

Nope.

That doesn't rule out the possibility of minor MP features that he has talked about in the past. And you know it. He always framed the narrative as NMS not being focussed on MP.

Again: the excuses. Mindblowing.

His tweet outside said it's not a multiplayer game. His words, not mine. I realise his messaging is bad as he says conflicting things, but don't shoot the messenger.

Also, not excuses. It was me who pointed out pressing OPTIONS pauses *the entire universe, including game*, and did the packet captures proving it doesn't send location information as you walk or fly.

 

[GrantDaNasty]

I feel like the possibility of NMS being MP was so ambiguous that people would've just accepted it wasn't unless directly stated.

I haven't played it yet, nor was I part of the hype-cycle, so I guess I'm not sure what the fuss is about...y'all played yourselves.

 

[nynt9]

I feel like the possibility of NMS being MP was so ambiguous that people would've just accepted it wasn't unless directly stated.

I haven't played it yet, nor was I part of the hype-cycle, so I guess I'm not sure what the fuss is about...y'all played yourselves.

I mean, it was directly stated several times, as per the video that has been posted in this tread so many times...

 

[ResoRai]

I feel like the possibility of NMS being MP was so ambiguous that people would've just accepted it wasn't unless directly stated.

I haven't played it yet, nor was I part of the hype-cycle, so I guess I'm not sure what the fuss is about...y'all played yourselves.

Heh. It was multiple times.

 

[ChoklitCow]

No one does that.

This is about the possibility of just seeing other players, not more. No combat, no trading or anything. Just seeing other players - which Murray himself confirmed multiple times in various interviews.


Indeed. Indeed. At least this whole thing gave us this gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A

(I just feel the need to keep posting this occasionally because I feel like every 10 pages or so people forget and start spamming the twitter link of "this is not a multiplayer game" link for some reason).

I think we have some goldfish brain syndrome going on in this thread or something.

 

[UncleSporky]

His tweet outside said it's not a multiplayer game. His words, not mine. I realise his messaging is bad as he says conflicting things, but don't shoot the messenger.

Also, not excuses. It was me who pointed out pressing OPTIONS pauses *the entire universe, including game*, and did the packet captures proving it doesn't send location information as you walk or fly.

It's weird, seems like the few people who have given the most evidence that the game might not be multiplayer end up regretting it or on the receiving end of criticism from both sides!

The gaffer who posted his box and sticker was arguing earlier that it didn't mean anything.

 

[Conkerkid11]

It's weird, seems like the few people who have given the most evidence that the game might not be multiplayer end up regretting it or on the receiving end of criticism from both sides!

The gaffer who posted his box and sticker was arguing earlier that it didn't mean anything.

Probably got their accounts hacked by Sean.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Murray is the new Molyneux.

Molydeux, if you will

 

[GrantDaNasty]

I mean, it was directly stated several times, as per the video that has been posted in this tread so many times...

Heh. It was multiple times.

Just watched the video clip of him when asked...hmm. Yea, can't really defend that I suppose, that is some Pitchford-level lying going on right there.

 

[Dubz]

So it's a so game. What would you like the secs to do in a perfect world?

Not sure why this thread is over 100 pages.

 

[Shari]

It's weird, seems like the few people who have given the most evidence that the game might not be multiplayer end up regretting it or on the receiving end of criticism from both sides!

The gaffer who posted his box and sticker was arguing earlier that it didn't mean anything.

People that bought the game, people that enjoys the game, downplaying an aspect that is not important for them yet important for some of us.

What is amazing is that they keep arguing over 1 tweet saying there's no multiplayer when there's another tweet the very same minute implying there is and a couple of minutes long video confirming several times there is.

I just dont understand how ANYONE wether they like the game or not are capable of defending the way Sean "communicates" about the game. It's beyond me.

 

[flkraven]

Just watched the video clip of him when asked...hmm. Yea, can't really defend that I suppose, that is some Pitchford-level lying going on right there.

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

Here you go

This is incredible

 

[ChoklitCow]

This will be better. It seems if it is in gif form people will remember I guess.

 

[RichiRamjag]

People that bought the game, people that enjoys the game, downplaying an aspect that is not important for them yet important for some of us.

What is amazing is that they keep arguing over 1 tweet saying there's no multiplayer when there's another tweet the very same minute implying there is and a couple of minutes long video confirming several times there is.

I just dont understand how ANYONE wether they like the game or not are capable of defending the way Sean "communicates" about the game. It's beyond me.

Even when he did describe multiplayer, it never sounded like you could meet up with pals and play. I've no dog in the race and I agree he was very ambiguous about it, but as someone who was only mildly excited and didn't let hype cloud my judgement, this always seemed obvious. Journey was always the type of multiplayer I envisioned.

It's really crazy to read posts now where folks thought they were gonna be flying around with their mates.

This will be better. It seems if it is in gif form people will remember I guess.

He's honestly said a lot of iffy shit implying that it wasn't possible in this way. Expectations should have been tempered as soon as he started that bullshit imo.

Whatcha say about this?

https://youtu.be/1ORFgfhj_hM

2:40 and 4:00

This is what I expected all along. Seems people got their own hopes up.

Exactly, but people are going to parrot that gif around until they're blue in the face.

 

[Pop]

Whatcha say about this?

https://youtu.be/1ORFgfhj_hM

2:40 and 4:00

This is what I expected all along. Seems people got their own hopes up.