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please refer to my post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213104739&postcount=2939

He eventually did NOT have NAT 3

So like where's the proof?

 

[Irminsul]

Huh?

I am commenting on the whole 'you cannot see other pkayers'.

Me too. There was a guy in this very thread analysing what is actually being sent to the servers.

It's not position data, not even in systems discovered by other people.

And no, encrypted position data is no option, because then you would at least see something being transmitted in addition to what you can see. Beside the point that only encrypting position data makes no sense.

 

[Uiki]

So like where's the proof?

He told us.

Wait, do you think he's a liar? What kind of conspiracy is this.

 

[Klyka]

So like where's the proof?

I guess you can see it on the guys stream? I don't know how to prove to you that someone's PS4 didn't have strict NAT anymore.

They and many in chat all said they got it to NAT 2

I mean, even then, at the time I was watching Stream 2, when they both got their NAT sorted, one of them was not connected to the No Man's Sky servers.
It was only after I had gone to work and caught up on the reddit thread that I saw they had apparently both managed to be connected to the servers but could still not see each other.

 

[old manatee]

It seems obvious now that they should have said this was a purely single player game right from the beginning, and let whatever shred of multiplayer content there is be a total surprise to people.

Saying that you can 'play with your friends' and 'grief people' and whatnot just comes across as over-promising and under-delivering.

 

[The Elite]

Ok guys, since the whole two streamer thing seems to be something people use to argue for and against multi, let me clarify things:


The first stream:

1. I was there, in the streamer chat, of the first stream when they initially made contact with each other.

2. They both entered the same space station in the same system at the same time. They could not see each other's ships.

3. We figured that the space station must be a single player instance.

4. They decided to meet up on the planet instead but were unsure how to find the same spot.

5. One streamer renamed an outpost he had discovered to "booty booty" but the other couldn't find it.

6. They went back to the space station. Me and many others told them to fly in a straight line out of the space station since it was pointing right at the planet. They did so and as they entered atmosphere, came across an outpost that both of them could see.

7. They both landed at the outpost, which looked exactly the same, had the same name and the same NPC in it for both of them.

8. We then realized that for one of them it was day and for the other it was night.

9. We tried relogging them a couple times to sync up but it didn't work.

10. We then found out one of them hat a "strict NAT" or "NAT type 3" on PS4, which we figured would be a deal breaker anyway.

At this point, the first stream basically ended and I left.

The second stream started earlier today. I was not quite as involved in this one but I did see some of it:

1. They both managed to get their NAT type switched to "NAT type 2" on PS4, which is moderate.

2. One of them was "online" and connected to the No Man's Sky servers according to the menu, the other one was not.

3. One of them had PS+. the other did not, so he got himself a month.

4. They could not see each other and their time of day was again not syncd up.

I then left the stream to go to work.

Later I read that they eventually were both connected to the No Man's Sky servers, but again after relogging could not see each other at all.
I can not confirm whether this is true or not.


I hope this clarifies some things!!

None of this supports the definitive statements the OP is making. Something could just very well be wrong. We don't know. Any statement suggesting Sean is lying based on this is highly suspect.

At the same time, I can understand why some may want a clear statement on what would have gone wrong in this particular situation.

 

[Shari]

This doesnt clarify anything but more pictures of the sticker deblace.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Me too. There was a guy in this very thread analysing what is actually being sent to the servers.

It's not position data, not even in systems discovered by other people.

And no, encrypted position data is no option, because then you would at least see something being transmitted in addition to what you can see. Beside the point that only encrypting position data makes no sense.

OK. But at the time one had a NAT3, which would still transmit to HG's servers, but not PSP to another player. Same thing happens in Souls with a NAT3.

My point was, this was known before this post went up. That key evidence was purposely ignored. The tone was set due to that.

None of this supports the definitive statements the OP is making. Something could just very well be wrong. We don't know. Any statement suggesting Sean is lying based on this is highly suspect.

At the same time, I can understand why some may want a clear statement on what would have gone wrong in this particular situation.

LOL what?

It does, because he is using this failed test as evidence for his claim. Purposely left out ALL the evidenced as to why they may not see one another. Yet used the words, 'definitive', yet did not mention all three evidence. Come on, lol.

 

[Klyka]

This doesnt clarify anything but more pictures of the sticker deblace.

Looking at that, it is clearly a Limited Edition, isn't it? With the Paper Sleeves around it?

So that's why it has the sticker. The LE packaging is probably older and they had to update it.

 

[UncleSporky]

The weird thing with the sticker situation is that regardless of the multiplayer situation, the game does actually go online to transmit discoveries.

I guess high score/brief text-ish type data isn't substantial enough to warrant that icon in Europe?

 

[Nugg]

Can you please post photo evidence with a time stamp or maybe your gaff name? That would be really awesome. Do you still have the sticker?

I'm literally going through my trash right now. I hate you GAF. Will report back.

EDIT:

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Wait... Is this just more fuel for the fire?!

@NoMansSky's Tweet: https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/763270512277594112?s=09

Seems like a double down on "the possibility is there it's just infinitesimally small"

 

[schwabdizzle]

Co-op will come. This isnt a game, its a platform. Things will change drastically over the years to come. If you think about it, Our Universe is always expanding, so I think NMS will do the same.

 

[GankzyMcfly]

So like where's the proof?

Where your proof that the two streamers will be able to see eachother when the servers are stable... you have been posting shit in multiple threads without ever once actually once responding to something someone has said to you (with evidence that hasn't already been addressed,disputed, and thrown in the trash).

 

[JCH!]

It really is. To believe that you'd have to also believe that Sean has never had interaction with the gaming community in his life and genuinely thought he could trick the world without the internet loosing it's collective sh*t within 48hrs and rumbling him.

Which one requires you to take the biggest logical leap;

1. That he thought he could trick people into buying a game (that they could easily return) without the internet finding out
   or
   
2. That his comments about player interaction (aka multiplayer) were misinterpreted and/or players can in fact 'meet' but the chances of being on the same server at the same instance in time are basically zero.

If you're going to reply to my post please read it beforehand.

I also find this 'chances are basically zero' (so it's basically not possible to meet) but 'players can in fact meet' (so chances are not basically zero ¿?) discourse incredibly amusing.

 

[Shari]

My point was, this was known before this post went up. That key evidence was purposely ignored. The tone was set due to that.

Maybe OP didnt know at the time the thread was open.

The tone hasnt changed because all evidence considered, this is still smelly really fishy.

You are also ignoring a very thorough post of a user in last page doing an extensive summary about the 2nd meeting.

 

[GankzyMcfly]

Co-op will come. This isnt a game, its a platform. Things will change drastically over the years to come. If you think about it, Our Universe is always expanding, so I think NMS will do the same.

So the features not in the game?

 

[charsace]

The only reason this thread exists is because the devs have been unclear about multiplayer. They should have laid this out clearly. Now they have reached a point where they could lose customers if they tell people there is no multi.

 

[Pop]

Where your proof that the two streamers will be able to see eachother when the servers are stable... you have been posting shit in multiple threads without ever once actually once responding to something someone has said to you (with evidence that hasn't already been addressed,disputed, and thrown in the trash).

Don't turn this on me. The thread here is based on this right here. Two guys who didn't know what the hell they were doing.

 

[nynt9]

Wouldn't I/O game data be encrypted to prevent hacking?

I doubt this guy's claim is true.

You can easily tell if a game is not tracking your location though. If data is constantly being transmitted to a server, it might be tracking your location. If data is only sent when you name a planet, it's impossible for the game to be tracking your location.

Don't turn this on me. The thread here is based on this right here. Two guys who didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Yet there is still no evidence on any social media, Reddit or whatever of two people meeting. These streamers obviously wouldn't be the only people to try this. And the moment it happened people would post about it. So far we only have evidence in the "people can't actually meet" camp and the developers are refusing to clarify so it's not looking good for the other camp.

 

[Shari]

The only reason this thread exists is because the devs have been unclear about multiplayer. They should have laid this out clearly. Now they have reached a point where they could lose customers if they tell people there is no multi.

They would have lost customers all the same it's inevitable, they would have avoided anger and irritation tho.

 

[afternoon delight]

The only reason this thread exists is because the devs have been unclear about multiplayer. They should have laid this out clearly. Now they have reached a point where they could lose customers if they tell people there is no multi.

Honestly though, how many? How many had this as their key feature, the number one reason to play? Maybe fifteen people? One hundred in the world?

What the fuck is happening in this thread?

 

[mcz117chief]

This doesnt clarify anything but more pictures of the sticker deblace.

Wow, I have never seen anything like this ever. How common/rare is something like this?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe OP didnt know at the time the thread was open.

The tone hasnt changed because all evidence considered, this is still smelly really fishy.

You are also ignoring a very thorough post of a user in last page doing an extensive summary about the 2nd meeting.

He knew, he was in the thread with us yesterday when it was all in there, and quickly jumped to make this one.

I am not ignoring. I have quoted it. The poster also said, he no evidence on them connected at the 'same time', like there is of them not.

Or did you ignore that part?

Screenshots, where are they?

 

[UncleSporky]

The only reason this thread exists is because the devs have been unclear about multiplayer. They should have laid this out clearly. Now they have reached a point where they could lose customers if they tell people there is no multi.

Nah they'll probably gain customers. A bunch of people will post "awesome, now sold on this game, never wanted to play with anyone else anyway, meaty single player here I come."

I mean it's already happened in this thread.

I don't think they want to have sales based on a lie that sours people to your company and future projects. Imagine if your friend bought a copy of the game for you and himself so you could play together and then had to be told the truth. This nearly happened to me, actually, luckily he said something ahead of time.

 

[Ivan 3414]

The only reason this thread exists is because the devs have been unclear about multiplayer. They should have laid this out clearly. Now they have reached a point where they could lose customers if they tell people there is no multi.

They would have lost customers anyway, but now they're in danger of losing a lot more than just customers for being intentially misleading, right up to the release day.

 

[Bedlam]

Don't turn this on me. The thread here is based on this right here. Two guys who didn't know what the hell they were doing.

It's also based on the devs' non-answers to direct questions which contradict the messaging from past interviews.

 

[Pop]

Wow, I have never seen anything like this ever. How common/rare is something like this?

Well the game is online. It is a shared universe.

 

[UncleSporky]

Don't turn this on me. The thread here is based on this right here. Two guys who didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Three guys. One of them is named Sean.

 

[Shari]

He knew, he was in the thread with us yesterday when it was all in there, and quickly jumped to make this one.

I am not ignoring. I have quoted it. The poster also said, he no evidence on them connected at the 'same time', like there is of them not.

Or did you ignore that part?

Screenshots, where are they?

I dont have any, did you see the sticket incident?

Whatever the truth is hope you stick around to discuss it

 

[Baleoce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv1CkZXBROc

Funnily enough the title of my video

Amazing xD

 

[Nugg]

Here you go

 

[Pop]

It's also based on the devs' non-answers to direct questions which contradict the messaging from past interviews.

No

That's what the thread turned into nonsense.

 

[CyberPunked]

Well the game is online. It is a shared universe.

It's not shared. Everyone has their own instance of the same universe.

 

[GankzyMcfly]

OK. But at the time one had a NAT3, which would still transmit to HG's servers, but not PSP to another player. Same thing happens in Souls with a NAT3.

My point was, this was known before this post went up. That key evidence was purposely ignored. The tone was set due to that.



LOL what?

It does, because he is using this failed test as evidence for his claim. Purposely left out ALL the evidenced as to why they may not see one another. Yet used the words, 'definitive', yet did not mention all three evidence. Come on, lol.

OP explained in an earlier post that he made the thread on his mobile on his way from work and would update it when he got a chance, he has since updated and nothing he said was in anyway misleading. The same cannot be said for Sean who has made Molyneux level tweets in the last 24 hrs

 

[Bedlam]

They would have lost customers all the same it's inevitable, they would have avoided anger and irritation tho.

Nah, right now there are still believers who think they will be able to see other players once the network issues have been solved. They want those sales as well.

No

That's what the thread turned into nonsense.

The deceitful misinformation coming from the dev right now is just a fact.

 

[mcz117chief]

Well the game is online. It is a shared universe.

I meant the sticker thing. How common is it for games to get a sticker with a new ESRB rating.

 

[Shari]

Here you go

Nah, right now there are still believers who think they will be able to see other players once the network issues have been solved. They want those sales as well.

They already got those, those are Sean's personal army. Those are the ones to discuss with once all this clears, can't wait.

 

[old manatee]

Here you go

lol @ the pages of people crying fake

 

[flkraven]

I mean, the burden of proof is on the developer to prove that a feature exists. Not on the consumer to prove it doesn't.

 

[Uiki]

Here you go

Can't wait to read the spin on this one.

"WE ARE IN THE SAME INSTANCE SO THE STICKER IS VISIBLE!"

 

[BannedEpisode]

Here you go

What a time to be alive.

 

[charsace]

Honestly though, how many? How many had this as their key feature, the number one reason to play? Maybe fifteen people? One hundred in the world?

What the fuck is happening in this thread?

In this genre of game multiplayer is big. I can't think of many procedural survival games that don't have multiplayer.

 

[afternoon delight]

In this genre of game multiplayer is big. I can't think of many procedural survival games that don't have multiplayer.

Then play any number of them that aren't this one? If you all are so hyped and clamoring for the experience, it's so commonplace that you can stand one game having it function differently?

Holy christ this is a carnival of stupid candidate.

 

[flkraven]

Here you go

Put this in the OP. Huge.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

You guys are fucking nuts.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

You guys are fucking nuts.

This is entertaining as hell though. I'm almost out of popcorn.

 

[Conkerkid11]

So one of the guys don't have Ps+?

Pretty useless experiment in that case

How far back into this experiment are you living?

This whole test between those two people already happened yesterday, and at one point the person without PS+ got PS+ and it still didn't work.

Honestly though, how many? How many had this as their key feature, the number one reason to play? Maybe fifteen people? One hundred in the world?

What the fuck is happening in this thread?

It's quite a huge feature to tell people exists up until launch and then have it all be a complete lie whether or not it was a selling point to you.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I dont have any, did you see the sticket incident?

Whatever the truth is hope you stick around to discuss it

I sure will. However, none of this is 'definitive' as the OP would lead everyone to believe. Especially with all the missing evidence being lost in the shouting in here.

 

[CyberPunked]

Here you go