The Abominable Snowman
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We have 1440p screens with great, high capacity batteries and powerful SoCs now. Even Tegra X1 had never been paired with a low res screen. Isn't this thing supposed to be even more capable?
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Rumor: NX controller supports Wii-like motion control and force-feedback.
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We have 1440p screens with great, high capacity batteries and powerful SoCs now. Even Tegra X1 had never been paired with a low res screen. Isn't this thing supposed to be even more capable?
the mental gymnastics are strong here..
JimJamJones
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How do people still think Eurogamer's report isn't legit, at this point?
The iPhone 6 Plus also launched between $650-850, depending on the size.
Roto Prime
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No thank you. I don't believe Euro gamer...I only believe Nintendo.
It would, however, probably indicate a bigger battery. Also now we can rule out some of the really asinine lolNintendo spec breakdowns on the (custom) Pascal that's potentially to be in this. If its going to be driving 720p default then that has set a very real hard floor unless we expect Nintendo to pull a Sony and use a screen that the internals cannot actually render to 100% of the time.
None of that is natively rendered to, it is all upscaled.
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I meant to say further legitimizes the eurogamer rumor. Also 6.2 was in the WiiU so having that size in the dev Kit isn't a real surprise.
Caipirinha
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Sigh... This is not what people want.
Okami Haundo
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I feel you on this one. My biggest pet peeve are the people who try to argue that "anonymous sources" aren't credible. These are generally the same people who will then find a random one-off article from 6 months ago and act like it's a hidden treasure that everyone missed.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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It basically does; I doubt there's any cheap multi-touch resistive screens for Nintendo to use since no one's using them. If Nintendo wants a stylus, they'd be better off using the tech already widely available for similar devices, like Surface and iPad Pro
Besides, I'd argue the multi-touch is the least important aspect of the capacitive screen; it's the fact that it's far more sensitive to the touch and doesn't require users to actively press down on the screen
Skittzo0413
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How long do these batteries last during gaming applications, rather than normal smartphone/tablet activities?
Someone already mentioned it but the Wii U Gamepad screen is the exact same size.
Xdrive05
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720p sounds great for handheld mode. I'm still hoping that while docked the same games can be output in native 1080p. Not sure how possible that will be for the handheld form factor to run at higher enough clocks to push 720p all the way to 1080p and not melt on the dock, though.
Especially since 720p is technically HD, and in line with Wii U, I'm a little worried that they won't even bother trying for 1080p when on the dock.
Especially since 720p is technically HD, and in line with Wii U, I'm a little worried that they won't even bother trying for 1080p when on the dock.
- Not surprised about the motion control part for the reasons mentioned earlier, but I'm curious to see how force feedback will work on the NX.
- If that ends up being the final size for the screen, that's about the size of the Wii U GamePad (if I recall correctly, I don't exactly have a ruler on-hand to measure my GamePad's screen size). Nintendo going for 720p is a bit surprising, but it at least it'll look fine on a TV in the event that Nintendo doesn't have the NX run at a faster clock speed while in Dock Mode.
- The fact that the dock supposedly has 2 USB ports does confirm that the docking station is more than just a simple HDMI Out, assuming that this is true. That said, I hope they bump the USB port count to 4 in the final product, namely so we can still do 8-Player Smash with 8 GameCube controllers for the Smash 4 port.
- I've already given my thoughts on the Game Freak report, & this would probably be the fastest that they've ever jumped on a new platform (perhaps Nintendo was adamant about them providing a mainline Pokémon game early in the NX's life to avoid another Gen 5 situation like what happened with the 3DS). If this will be just a Sun/Moon port, a Sun/Moon sequel game, or a Diamond/Pearl remake (which I personally think will be saved for Gen 8) is beyond me. Either way, I'm not expecting anything NX-exclusive from Game Freak (Ex: Pokémon Eclipse being NX-only) until Gen 8, namely for the sake of not screwing over 3DS owners who are already invested in Gen 7.
crooked spin
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Ah right on, missed that.
fake edit: no disrespect to Emily in my last post -- i like her and follow her on twitter.
Not excusing low specs necessarily but isn't a higher res more important on a phone since you're reading internet/texts/ebooks on it? I don't think ANY game needs the sort of resolution my phone has to look good.
Roto Prime
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I have to use Olympic style mental gymnastics....I got a new TV thinking NX was a home console dead king koopa. I need to will it into existence .
Plinko
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It isn't a $400 iPhone.
Beats the 540p guess that a good chunk of us, myself included, were thinking. Though you should keep in mind that the iPhone 6 has a 720p screen. Also, this is a dedicated gaming system, so pushing more pixels isn't necessarily a good thing. A higher resolution screen pushes the system harder, thus resulting in games that don't look that impressive from a visual fidelity standpoint.
FlaygletheBagel
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Well, it's what I want!
Nintendo has no chance of competing in the traditional console market with Sony/MS. This is an option that has a reasonable chance of success and profitability.
Show me a high resolution screen device on which you can run any slightly demanding game and not kill the battery in 2-3 hours.
You're not wrong, namely because of how far we are into the current console generation.
But the likes of Pokémon & Fire Emblem will likely suffer as a result of Nintendo ditching the 2nd screen.
Okami Haundo
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I've thought about this quite a bit as well. My bets are firmly on a Sun/Moon port, which I would be very much ok with. I'm basing this off the rumored lack of BC in any capacity. If that rumor proves true, NX would be the first Nintendo "handheld" that can't play the previous gen's Pokemon game/games at launch.
Well there is this secret AMD Polaris cult and the typical scepis of human beeings.
But honestly, at this moment I just don't want rumours anymore. I just want to see the final concept. I want to see how Nintendo will represent it. All these rumours just give me shady picture.
Current Gen consoles struggle with 1080p so I'm not sure why you'd expect a handheld to hit that or higher. 720p is a good compromise for performance and battery life.
Hopefully though Nintendo is more flexible with platforms now and they can introduce higher res screen in new SKUs like how phones/tablets/PSNeo and Scorpio are going to work. They certainly hinted at it.
Hopefully though Nintendo is more flexible with platforms now and they can introduce higher res screen in new SKUs like how phones/tablets/PSNeo and Scorpio are going to work. They certainly hinted at it.
But the problem with doing a Sun/Moon port is that you'd be screwing over the 3DS release come November, resulting in most people just waiting for the NX port.
JimJamJones
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Silly SMD, going down with the ship.
and that $400 price is the subsidized price. don't those go for like $600+ off contract?
Fourth Storm
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I think the larger screen would be a smart move. Nintendo aren't going to get kids to ditch their cell phones, but their aging Android tablets? They could compete there.
James Scott
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I love all this, tbh. Emily Roger's report on top of it sounds pretty great.
This system could allow for a ton of new gameplay experiences which is pretty exciting. 2 Wii Mote+ like controllers with dual analog sticks would allow for a lot more than the Wii Mote+and nunchuck ever could especially the orginal Wii mote.
All of Nintendo with a generation of HD experience and technology available to them experimenting with a capacitive touch screen (solo and combined with buttons) and (presumably) different screen orientations would be interesting to see. Returning to a considerably improved Wii mote is also very nice. All this keeping the budget down and hopefully with a large enough installbase like their previous handles to experiment with new ideas.
It all sounds very good to me so far
This system could allow for a ton of new gameplay experiences which is pretty exciting. 2 Wii Mote+ like controllers with dual analog sticks would allow for a lot more than the Wii Mote+and nunchuck ever could especially the orginal Wii mote.
All of Nintendo with a generation of HD experience and technology available to them experimenting with a capacitive touch screen (solo and combined with buttons) and (presumably) different screen orientations would be interesting to see. Returning to a considerably improved Wii mote is also very nice. All this keeping the budget down and hopefully with a large enough installbase like their previous handles to experiment with new ideas.
It all sounds very good to me so far
Roto Prime
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What will the battery life be on this if it is true? Screen, controller with force feedback...and a powerful hot chip.
Sounds like the perfect system for me if the rumors are true... Especially if other Japanese debs jump on board.
It just has to be good enough since they don't wanna have another overpriced system ala WiiU.
Since when was their goal to impress anyone with the resolution used? lol
It just has to be good enough since they don't wanna have another overpriced system ala WiiU.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Speak for yourself.
Def. will need a smaller portable sku down the line... Unless they are leaving that space for mobile games
Fourth Storm
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Wii U has 1080p games. No reason a stronger chipset should be locked out from displaying in that resolution when connected to a 1080p display.
talkingood
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I am so onboard for a 6" handheld with detachable dual Wiimotes. I really hope Nintendo reveals this thing ASAP.
Or Zelda Skyward.... i want to play games while resting in weird positions on my huge couch. Not like those poorly illussrated figures in wiimote manuals.
LordOfChaos
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Was 200. I can see 250USD still being moderately possible. They'd have to be crazy to do 350 again, but their lack of crazyness isn't well known.
more than you think, less than you hope. I guess matt was right.
EightBitNate
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How was 4 players a novelty and not just a feature?
There plenty of high end devices with sub $299 prices. Just off the top of my head, the Nexus line, the Kindle line, the One+ line...
Yes, let's use a 4k screen because there will be 4k phones in 2017 and bigger numbers sound better. Screw considering what a device is designed for, we need bigger numbers!
ANd before you say that I'm leaping by saying 4k, you're alreasy comparing to a $750+ phone anyway, so why not just look at what flagship phones will be sporting by then?
reelbigtink
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I think people are way too used to paying for subsidized phones to realize what they want would end up costing them $500+ bucks.
I'm more worried about weight and ergonomics. My days of playing tendon destroying hh are done.
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Anyone else still on the two sku team? I know I am. If they are looking for casuals and hardcore fans. They need two different skus.
LegendofLex
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Consider this:
The sales driver for Wii U was Wii U exclusives.
Nintendo is trying to reduce redundant/wasted development time so they can better support their software pipeline.
Would a more powerful SKU have exclusives? Probably not, because then they'd have to split development resources across SKUs and wouldn't have as many games in the overall pipeline.
And if there are no exclusives, if they're not trying to position it as a "new model" like PS4 Neo, Xbox One S, and Scorpio inevitably will be, why the hell would it sell anywhere even close to what Wii U did?
The screen isn't supposed to impress anyone compared to phones, since this device isn't a phone and does a different job than phones do.
It's just supposed to make it relatively seamless to play games on both your TV and your handheld, without needing to buy separate games and devices to enable both of those experiences.
If Nintendo delivers games that make people want a new handheld, they're getting a much better handheld than anything put out by any first-party games company in history.
If Nintendo delivers games that people want to play on their TVs, in theory the NX should output nicely to 1080p screens, which will likely be the ceiling for most people for the next 4-5 years.
Why are people still comparing a dedicated gaming device that's meant to be sold at <$250 to a flagship iPhone that at retails for >$600 or more?
To be fair, even 200-250 EUR phones have 1080p screen. Still doesn't mean it would make sense for the NX.
The Abominable Snowman
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My note 4 lasts 3 hours in VR. Close enough?
like 7 hours in PPSSPP. I don't play many phone games but my utilization when playing PPSSPP is very high.
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