Very different from my experience I reinstalled GTA The Other day. Not sure how long it took, but I turned my ps4 on 3 hours later. It was fully downloaded and ready to go.
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CONFIRMED: PS4 Slim supports 5GHz wifi
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Very different from my experience I reinstalled GTA The Other day. Not sure how long it took, but I turned my ps4 on 3 hours later. It was fully downloaded and ready to go.
Aren't there Optical out Adapters?
Yes
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes there are, but they are not that cheap and I am unsure of their quality: console not staying in sync with the TV (PS4 in rest mode turns the TV off, turning the TV off puts the PS4 in rest mode, etc...) and quality of the optical signal out. Being restricted to 2.1 (because that is the max my A/V receiver supports in LPCM mode) would not be fun.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Do they guarantee 5.1 DD/DTS on A/V receivers who do not support LPCM above a 2.1 configuration? With my PS4, I set the PS4 audio settings in such a way that allows me 5.1 surround sound over optical, but would not an optical less PS4 Slim only support LPCM for HDMI audio?
Because these issues likely have nothing to do with the PSN itself, but with bad connections from some ISPs with the CDN it's using.
Building proper (sufficiently sized) peering links is expensive, and (bigger) ISPs are generally cheap arses, so they'll generally let most of their traffic flow through saturated transit links.
I remember articles not too long ago where US ISPs were even trying to racket content providers like Netflix to offer a proper connection to their customers.
Because it's not like you're paying your Internet Service Provider for a service where it's supposed to give you access to the Internet...
jeff_rigby
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Any console or STB that plans to be UHD capable should support WiFi AC. Given efficientgaming.eu calls the XB1 and PS4 UHD Capable and the cost to support UHD Blu-ray with console economy of scale is pennies/console I'd say yes. We can take from the efficientgaming.eu website calling the XB1 and PS4 UHD capable is that the plan is for ALL PS4 and XB1 consoles to support UHD 2016 and later. I assumed it meant with firmware update as they do not make a distinction in the charts and letters....the Apple upgrade model was not known to apply to game consoles when I discovered the efficientgaming.eu site.
I had already confirmed the cost and timing to support HDMI 2 was not a factor. HDCP 2.2 is required to be in the TEE for Miracast, Vidipath and Playready (1080P media) with the HDMI chip passing HDCP negotiation to the TEE so supporting HDMI 2 may be less expensive than HDMI 1.4.
The 2013 XB1 has a HEVC proifile 10 codec for HD media which only needed hardware with the performance to support UHD media at 4 times the bandwidth. Timing is not a factor here either but cost may be.
Penello of Microsoft in confirming the 2013 XB1 will not support UHD Blu-ray stated the XB1 blu-ray drive in addition to a firmware update needed a new lens to support three layer disks for UHD blu-ray. This does not add a cost to the drive.
Microsoft made a business decision to not support UHD, I'd guess because UHD was a post 2018 need and the pieces to support it (WiFi AC being one of those) in 2013 would increase the cost of the console. The XB1's TEE is in the APU and increasing the die size to support HEVC without hardware accelerators for UHD media would cost them more. Ito of Sony states the Launch PS4 can't support UHD media as it has no HEVC codec and the drive can't support three layers...maybe the same here.
0ptimusPayne
Member
This is great news, but I've moved on to a set of ethernet power line adapters which work flawlessly for my hard wire connections to my ps4 and Mac desktop set up. This wouldve been nice in my old apartment, which was flooded with 2.4 connections every freaking where around me. My X1 speeds were great though with the 5ghz connection at the time.
Won't mean shit if Sony's still using the same damn wireless chipset design. You make phones. You should know how this works.
So annoying that I have to be wired because it's the difference between getting something downloaded in 2 hours instead of 18. Every other wireless console and device we have can saturate the wireless, PS3 and PS4 are both "imma just gonna sip on this data"
So annoying that I have to be wired because it's the difference between getting something downloaded in 2 hours instead of 18. Every other wireless console and device we have can saturate the wireless, PS3 and PS4 are both "imma just gonna sip on this data"
You believe that the OG PS4 is UHD capable, yet you contradict yourself by saying "Any console or STB that plans to be UHD capable should support WiFi AC" because OG PS4 does not support AC.
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Transistor
Banned
The PS4 can bitstream DTS and DD over HDMI, so as long as you have that set in your settings, the extractor should extract DD or DTS
I'm all for keeping things as long as practical, but you probably should be considering an upgrade soonish. If it was 5.1 LPCM then you'd have more life left but 2.1 feels like time to move on
You have the bonus of getting one with 4K support though. My receiver had 7.1 LPCM, HDMI 1.4 and DTS-HD and trueHD bit streaming. So *almost* ideal but I may be forced to upgrade when I get a 4K TV
What is your current receiver? It may support 5.1 DD/DTS over HDMI even with limited LPCM support
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What a joke it wasn't included in the original.
Adam Tyner
Member
...or maybe it's exactly what Albert Penello said!
...and, yes, that's about Ultra HD Blu-ray specifically, but elements of that apply to wider UHD support as well. I wouldn't be surprised if you've talked more about UHD support for the launch Xbox One and PS4 than Microsoft and Sony did when these consoles were designed years ago.
Can you provide some examples of HDMI 1.4 devices upgraded via firmware to support HDCP 2.2? Everything I'm able to find says that this is not possible.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
All my consoles are Witts but this is still great news.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
AC? That shit is fast as hell, I easily max out my 100 Mbit connection on my phone.
Depends on where you live I think. I've been getting great speeds lately. Like 10 MB/s. Wired, of course.
Depends on where you live I think. I've been getting great speeds lately. Like 10 MB/s. Wired, of course.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
Ya'll can stay out of my servers with your wifi bullshit, 5ghz or not, that shit is nasty.
Transistor
Banned
AC wifi is actually really nice. Before a ran ethernet, I got 830 mbps from my PC to my router. The only reason I actually went wired was to reduce the latency for my Steam Link
Netherscourge
Banned
Pretty much nothing.
You get a stronger connection to your WIFI router, but you don't get any faster internet access.
It helps people with crappy wifi router reception in their house or where ever. Good for in-house streaming and remote play stuff.
But you are still ultimately limited by your ISP to the internet.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I'm all for keeping things as long as practical, but you probably should be considering an upgrade soonish. If it was 5.1 LPCM then you'd have more life left but 2.1 feels like time to move on
You have the bonus of getting one with 4K support though. My receiver had 7.1 LPCM, HDMI 1.4 and DTS-HD and trueHD bit streaming. So *almost* ideal but I may be forced to upgrade when I get a 4K TV
What is your current receiver? It may support 5.1 DD/DTS over HDMI even with limited LPCM support
My current receiver is a Sony STR-DG520.
Transistor
Banned
You have one of the receivers that handled HDMI only as a video switch, unfortunately. You would need to get an HDMI to optical audio extractor if you wanted to use the slim. Or upgrade your receiver.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It has lasted me for a lot of years, but yeah I know I may have to upgrade sooner rather than later, but still I do hope that PS4K has optical out as I think there should be life left in the receiver
.Booker.DeWitt
Member
some people here don't realize that they can get wired internet EVERYWHERE even if the modem is far away, in another floor.
Just buy these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWRUICG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
my modem and router is in the basement
Just plug one of these badboys to the modem, via electric outlet. the other one you plug on the electronic outlet close to the computer or ps4/xbox one. BINGO, you got wired connection almost as good as wired directly from the modem, and no need for wifi anymore.
I have done this and have not looked back. everybody should try.
Just buy these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWRUICG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
my modem and router is in the basement
Just plug one of these badboys to the modem, via electric outlet. the other one you plug on the electronic outlet close to the computer or ps4/xbox one. BINGO, you got wired connection almost as good as wired directly from the modem, and no need for wifi anymore.
I have done this and have not looked back. everybody should try.
Not everyone has shit Wifi.
Mexen
Member
Synerg.8
Transistor
Banned
9 times out of 10 I recommend these, but some houses have wiring that just doesn't agree with powerline adapters, unfortunately.
It has lasted me for a lot of years, but yeah I know I may have to upgrade sooner rather than later, but still I do hope that PS4K has optical out as I think there should be life left in the receiver
If they're really pushing 4K, it wouldn't surprise me if the Neo didn't have optical
IlGialloMondadori
Member
Not necessarily. I run 5ghz from my router to my desktop upstairs through the floor and some walls. I do steam streaming original quality 1080p 60fps and it's flawless to my laptop wired into the router.
Wi-Fi inherently has more latency than ethernet. You WILL be at a disadvantage to anyone with decent speeds on wired.
Transistor
Banned
Nope 2.4GHz wireless N300 only
Booker.DeWitt
Member
really??
as long is they have electric outlets that fit the adapter, it should work fine. everybody I have recommended said it worked great.
Truckondo2.0
Member
If the wiring is older or just bad, it won't work well. There is also the possibility that outlets in a home could be on a separate circuit. I have seen that on home remodels or additions.
Transistor
Banned
Yep. There are simply cases where it doesn't work. I lived in an older apartment from the 70's that had bad wiring. Powerline didn't work worth shit in there. Thankfully, it was a small place, so wifi was fine.
Booker.DeWitt
Member
did not know that, thanks
Teletraan1
Banned
You really should wire your house with Ethernet if possible. Mine runs inside the walls to where I keep my entertainment centre. It took me a few hours on a Saturday afternoon and I am hardly handy. You can buy wall plates so It is just like a power plug except you plug in an Ethernet cable. I still have a router serving WiFi but only use it for phones or actually portable devices. I have also never really had speed issues with PSN either. But I hope this 5 GHz fixes people's problems who cant wire up.
SUPARSTARX
Member
That's cool. But I still gotta keep this wired up for SFV and Tekken 7.
jeff_rigby
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Already in the other thread where Sony 2013 4K TVs have firmware upgradeable HDMI ports. So we are astonished that the PS4 might have a firmware updateable HDMI port in 2013 also?
some companies are claiming they'll be able to update their 1.4 inputs to work with 2.0 via a simple firmware update.
Samsung will update its SUHD & UHD TVs with HDMI 2.0a
1) Are the XB1 and PS4 going to support 1080P media for Miracast and/or Vidipath? If they are then they have HDCP 2.2 in a TEE.
2) HDCP 2.2 is required to be in the TEE for 1080P and 4K media DRM whether it has a HDMI 1.4 or HDMI 2 port. HDCP 1.X is inside the HDMI 1.4 chip while HDCP 2.2 is not allowed in the HDMI 2 chip, it must be in the TEE.
3) HDCP 2.2 was in ARM TEE's in 2012 for Miracast and the final paper for mapping HDCP 2.2 to the HDMI 2 port (software) was early 2013.
4) The PS4 has a Panasonic custom HDMI chip not listed in Panasonic's HDMI 1.4 catalog. This is either a cheaper custom HDMI chip with HDMI 1.4 timings where HDCP 1.4 was moved to the TEE or it's a custom HDMI chip with HDMI 2 timings where HDCP takes place in the TEE. In both cases moving the HDCP to the TEE reduces the cost of the HDMI chip and makes the DRM more secure.
The above applies to 4K TVs sold in 2013 also.
About Penellos statement; The XB1 has a HEVC profile 10 HD Codec and Microsoft published the standards middle of 2013 for 5 accelerators needed for HEVC to be included in later UHD devices with WIndows 10 . To know what accelerators you will need for HEVC in 2013 as well as supporting HEVC in the Launch XB1 requires foreknowledge of the standards before the XB1 hardware is designed. Same for DRM standards as Playready ND shipped as porting kits Oct 2013 and the leaked Sony UHD Blu-ray digital bridge proposals mention Playready ND. Playready ND requires a TEE with HDCP 2.2 in the TEE. We also now know that The standards from April 2015 for TMP 2.0 are going to be followed for/in the TEE for UHD media. AMD uses a ARM trustzone TEE and all codecs are required to be managed in the TEE on the ARM trustzone controlled bus with a Memory controller slaved to the ARM trustzone CPU.
AMD 2014 GCN 1.2 dGPUs have UVD 6 (UHD HEVC capable codec) in the ARM trustzone TEE.
The standards for the UHD version 2 disk were mentioned in a 2010 patent and are in 2010 BD-R whitepapers which were implemented in 2011 by BD-RE drives. Penello says the UHD drive in the XB1 slim needed a firmware update and a new lens to read three layers. I assume a BD-RE drive already has the new lens as it can read 4 layers reliably. This was not an unknown standard for the drive.
This is literally not at all true
Dead Prince
Banned
ah cool. i had my ps4 wired but it's nice to have options for the new model.
Horsemama1956
Member
Can't say I've ever found 5Ghz useful. Anything I care about goes wired.
Transistor
Banned
I have. I have a really good AC router. Especially great for wireless only devices like my Roku stick and my Chromecast. Great for my wife's tablet and laptop too
Transistor
Banned
If your PS4 is wireless and you have an AC router, it more than likely will since there's generally a lot less interference on the 5ghz band
4.8 you need to buy their custom 4.8 Ghz router (Sold next to the Vita memory cards) 399.99 for the router..
It would help the connection stay stable but I doubt they will increase the quality above 720p on the PS4.