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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

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Smellycat

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Sorry, just got tired of looking at all the MS Paint mockups. So I threw this one together in about an hour using some n3DS assets.

Sexy as hell but way too many oddly placed buttons
 

ggx2ac

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Yes, but her point was also that fanboys shouldn't cling to old reports.

WSJ's story on NX has evolved a lot since their October 2015 report about "industry leading chips".

WSJ is now reporting that NX is a "handheld-console hybrid" that uses cartridges. Both of those things would support Eurogamer's report.

Hehehe

I hope you can attach the two controllers together, maybe with another part in the middle to make it a bit bigger and more comfortable.

It would definitely need a part in the middle to attach to. It never made sense when someone did a mock-up with the two controllers attached to each other with nothing in the middle.

The connectors on the detachable controllers don't work that way. They need something to plug into.
 

Aostia

El Capitan Todd
Have so many people on GAF really ever played with the ggorgeous split setup of wiimote + nunchuck? So comfortable!
 

ggx2ac

Member
Have so many people on GAF really ever played with the ggorgeous split setup of wiimote + nunchuck? So comfortable!

I want to get back to using split controllers.
Nunchuk grip is better than gripping Wiimote.

But it sounds like there's no change in thickness of the detachable controllers compared to the NX. So I can't except some shape to grip compared to a flat surface.
 

ozfunghi

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Sorry, just got tired of looking at all the MS Paint mockups. So I threw this one together in about an hour using some n3DS assets. It's a little shoddy, but I like how it turned out.

And here we were, thinking it couldn' t get any more bulky than the WiiU gamepad :)

The screen size being the same size as the screen from the gamepad, this has to be even larger than that. So i'm very much hoping it's not going to end up like this mock-up, even though it does look "Nintendey".
That bottom analog stick is just there for the lulz as well i assume?
 

jax

Banned
But the console could be played wither way up or passed to someone else without turning it round.

Also, the snapped off controllers can both be used with full buttons. Trust me, I had it with less buttons and there was tons of extra space.

I wanted to do the scroll wheel shoulders but it was too hard. lol
 

Wace

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Sorry, just got tired of looking at all the MS Paint mockups. So I threw this one together in about an hour using some n3DS assets. It's a little shoddy, but I like how it turned out.

While I love the mockup, doesn't it contradict the "no-mic-no-camera" rumour? At the same time bezel seems to be extremely wide due to them.
 

G.ZZZ

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And here we were, thinking it couldn' t get any more bulky than the WiiU gamepad :)

The screen size being the same size as the screen from the gamepad, this has to be even larger than that. So i'm very much hoping it's not going to end up like this mock-up, even though it does look "Nintendey".
That bottom analog stick is just there for the lulz as well i assume?

That's like half the gamepad, if even
 

True Fire

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Sorry, just got tired of looking at all the MS Paint mockups. So I threw this one together in about an hour using some n3DS assets. It's a little shoddy, but I like how it turned out.

My guess is that one side will have the split D-Pad (buttons) while the other side will have traditional buttons. Having both just looks dumb.
 

Aostia

El Capitan Todd
So we're going to have another Wii? Even though it's been said the NX is nothing like the Wii?

Who said that?
We have rumors of a non existing leap in power from the previous home console (we have hints about it not being less powerful than the wiiu)
We have rumors about split controllers with motion senso and Force feedback

It clearly seems to me a Wii like project where you get the advantages of purchasing also a very powerful portable (Unlike the ds) with a unified library (Unlike ds and wii) and a modern architecture that could easier receive multiplatform games developed with unity or Unreal 4 (Unlike the ds and wii)
 

MuchoMalo

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Yes, but her point was also that fanboys shouldn't cling to old reports.

WSJ's story on NX has evolved a lot since their October 2015 report about "industry leading chips".

WSJ is now reporting that NX is a "handheld-console hybrid" that uses cartridges. Both of those things would support Eurogamer's report.

A Pascal Tegra would still very much be an "industry-leading" chip. Industry-leading and super powerful are not the same thing. I was suspecting that it simply meant a chip newer than what's in current consoles from the day that article popped up. The original report is still 100% relevant in this case.
 

ozfunghi

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That's like half the gamepad, if even

What are you talking about?

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A Pascal Tegra would still very much be an "industry-leading" chip. Industry-leading and super powerful are not the same thing. I was suspecting that it simply meant a chip newer than what's in current consoles from the day that article popped up. The original report is still 100% relevant in this case.

Except that the question was asked in what way it was "industry leading" and, iirc, the response was not "best in class... for mobile" but the answer was "only possibly to run on a high end PC".

Now i can't remember if that came from the same guy or not. But that had actually been reported in the follow up of that WSJ article.
 

Pittree

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I am working on my final NX mockup so before finishing it I tought it was a good idea to share it in order to receive some ideas to implement. In case anyone is wondering the gray circle with a blue border on the left is a c stick like the one in the N3DS, the one with a red border is a button. The idea is having some basic inputs even when the controllers are dettached.

kHLXP6C.jpg
 

Pittree

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A Pascal Tegra would still very much be an "industry-leading" chip. Industry-leading and super powerful are not the same thing. I was suspecting that it simply meant a chip newer than what's in current consoles from the day that article popped up. The original report is still 100% relevant in this case.

Didn't they later gave some more info saying that "Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a "industry-leading" or "cutting-edge" chips. Cutting-edge in what way, they refused to elaborate."

Cutting edge or industry leading, as you state, are terms that doesn't necesarily mean high specs since it could just mean modern technolgy. However I always found the "computer" part weird since that made me think more of a PC, ironically consoles could be considered computers too.
 

ggx2ac

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Didn't they later gave some more info saying that "Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a "industry-leading" or "cutting-edge" chips. Cutting-edge in what way, they refused to elaborate."

Cutting edge or industry leading, as you state, are terms that doesn't necesarily mean high specs since it could just mean modern technolgy. However I always found the "computer" part weird since that made me think more of a PC, ironically consoles could be considered computers too.

Don't worry much about that.

Read below.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=214334436
 

ozfunghi

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Didn't they later gave some more info saying that "Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a "industry-leading" or "cutting-edge" chips. Cutting-edge in what way, they refused to elaborate."

Cutting edge or industry leading, as you state, are terms that doesn't necesarily mean high specs since it could just mean modern technolgy. However I always found the "computer" part weird since that made me think more of a PC, ironically consoles could be considered computers too.

I raised the same question just above your mockup. I also remember the same thing being asked and the same clarification being given... meaning it could not be referring to the Tegra chips, because they are nothing like a high end PC.

I'm just not 100% sure if the clarification came from the same guy or not.

Don't worry much about that.

Read below.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=214334436

Oh, ok. Thanks.
 

Oregano

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Didn't they later gave some more info saying that "Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a "industry-leading" or "cutting-edge" chips. Cutting-edge in what way, they refused to elaborate."

Cutting edge or industry leading, as you state, are terms that doesn't necesarily mean high specs since it could just mean modern technolgy. However I always found the "computer" part weird since that made me think more of a PC, ironically consoles could be considered computers too.

Someone pointed out that if the demo was something like Protostar then it would be easy to see why they'd jump to that conclusion.
 

ggx2ac

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TLZ

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Who said that?
We have rumors of a non existing leap in power from the previous home console (we have hints about it not being less powerful than the wiiu)
We have rumors about split controllers with motion senso and Force feedback

It clearly seems to me a Wii like project where you get the advantages of purchasing also a very powerful portable (Unlike the ds) with a unified library (Unlike ds and wii) and a modern architecture that could easier receive multiplatform games developed with unity or Unreal 4 (Unlike the ds and wii)

Kimishima:

It's something very new. The hardware, the software lineup, all of it is something I'd like to play for the first time myself.

the NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS. It's a new way of playing games, which I think will have a larger impact than the Wii U, but I don't feel it's a pure replacement for the Wii U.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203756055&postcount=277

This is why I don't get any of the rumors.
 
I am working on my final NX mockup so before finishing it I tought it was a good idea to share it in order to receive some ideas to implement. In case anyone is wondering the gray circle with a blue border on the left is a c stick like the one in the N3DS, the one with a red border is a button. The idea is having some basic inputs even when the controllers are dettached.

kHLXP6C.jpg

Interesting approach to the triggers, putting them where the index finger would rest comfortably, though I think they need to extend out more so they can work better as analog triggers. 'Grip triggers' are something the Steam Controller did and it's fantastic, so I'd love to see it on the NX as well.

Also, another suggestion would be to put an extra shoulder button on each extra corner (much like how the New 3DS has two extra shoulder buttons) and have one of the shoulders on each controller half be a scroll wheel as well.
 

Pittree

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That was also similar to a later post back then.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=214340154

Edit: I mean a later post to what I was posting up earlier.

That makes sense. Maybe the demo was specifically designed to show the advantages in performance of using the Vulkan api much like the gnome demo. I could imagine someone thinking something like that is impossible to run on "cutting edge computers"

I also wonder how much (if any) Vulkan is going to be used on NX and what kind of improvements brings there. Ported games on PC so far have being pretty much a mixed bag.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am working on my final NX mockup so before finishing it I tought it was a good idea to share it in order to receive some ideas to implement. In case anyone is wondering the gray circle with a blue border on the left is a c stick like the one in the N3DS, the one with a red border is a button. The idea is having some basic inputs even when the controllers are dettached.

kHLXP6C.jpg

Where is the DPad? :(
 

Clessidor

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Ok with their newest "news" 10do is making it more clear, that they are only joking around.
And guys like this are the reason people think Germans have no sense for humor.

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Sorry, just got tired of looking at all the MS Paint mockups. So I threw this one together in about an hour using some n3DS assets. It's a little shoddy, but I like how it turned out.

As funny as it looks like I even thought about something like that. I think an evolution of the WiiMote would kinda work like a SNES Pad when holden vertical. The only problem would be the amount of inputs would be too much I guess and look confusing, like you just proofed^^
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Ok with their newest "news" 10do is making it more clear, that they are only joking around.
And guys like this are the reason people think Germans have no sense for humor.



As funny as it looks like I even thought about something like that. I think an evolution of the WiiMote would kinda work like a SNES Pad when holden vertical. The only problem would be the amount of inputs would be too much I guess and look confusing, like you just proofed^^

Games that actually used dual analog like FPS ones would be really uncomfortable with this setup though... the right stick is way too low.
 

ozfunghi

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But it's the only way to have detachable controllers be the same shape when used separately :'(

Unless they can attach from both sides, giving you the option to use the any way you want. Both control sticks on top, both Dpads on top, left control stick on top and right Dpad on top, left Dpad on top and left control stick on top.

I spoke of a way to attach the controllers using magnets, instead of using the pins from the leak mockup. In that case it could be easy to do.

Like this:

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Aostia

El Capitan Todd
Kimishima:





http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203756055&postcount=277

This is why I don't get any of the rumors.


Those are PR talk, it is not a case that he is trying to differentiate the perception from the wiiu, a commercial failure. And he doesnt cite neither the 3ds not the wii, and I talked about the wii and not the wiiu

A powerful but non expensive portable with dettachable wii like controllers for on tv and on the go play even in multiplayer is not a wiiu like..at all. At least in terms of PR talk.

Than if in the end the concept will be somehow similar to the wiiu well it is not the first time PR and facts are separated
 

ggx2ac

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Unless they can attach from both sides, giving you the option to use the any way you want. Both control sticks on top, both Dpads on top, left control stick on top and right Dpad on top, left Dpad on top and left control stick on top.

I spoke of a way to attach the controllers using magnets, instead of using the pins from the leak mockup. In that case it could be easy to do.

Like this:

nxe2roo.gif

Hopefully you also mentioned that the controllers would have to communicate wirelessly with the NX seeing as there is no physical connector like the one in the dev-kit.

Obviously, they would have had to communicate wirelessly when in Wii Remote mode but you get the idea.

I'm still going to assert that the connectors in the dev-kit will become retractable so that there's no need for magnets. But I don't know if they'll make double-sided connectors to let you flip the controllers around to customise the layout.

Edit: Also it's only been mentioned that there are only 2 shoulder buttons so far.

Edit 2: I also noticed that you don't have magnetic sides on the NX itself. Need to make sure all three things are magnetic, plus there's also a few practical problems with it.

The magnets would have to be strong to hold the device, so it would be hard to place the controllers on the side accurately without having one of them be offset. I doubt the magnets would work with such a small spot, they'd need to have a longer strip especially that it's holding something that isn't a nail or shavings of iron.
 

TLZ

Banned
Can you give your input on what you think the NX is or what the new way of playing games is?

To me, the detachable controllers sound like a new way of playing games because they are versatile and allow you to play games in different styles with just one set of controllers.

I can't because I have absolutely no idea what it is. On one side it's kimishima's words and on the other the rumors.
 

ggx2ac

Member
I can't because I have absolutely no idea what it is. On one side it's kimishima's words and on the other the rumors.

But you're certain it's not going to be a Wii Remote going off of what you said earlier.

Likewise!! Nintendo's statements about NX pretty much contradict everything we have heard so far from rumors.

Please show me what are the exact words that contradict the Wii Remotes or detachable controllers on NX when Kimishima was talking about Wii U when compared to NX.
 

Smellycat

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But you're certain it's not going to be a Wii Remote going off of what you said earlier.



Please show me what are the exact words that contradict the Wii Remotes or detachable controllers on NX when Kimishima was talking about Wii U when compared to NX.

It is just that quote about it not being the successor to Wii U, that is all lol

To be honest I want these rumors to be fake because I want to be completely surprised by what the NX is
 
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