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Palmer Luckey issue statement on actions on Nimble America
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that's because there was no wrong doing on oculus' part.
moondoggerr
Banned
Palmer Luckey has every right to do whatever he wants regarding his political beliefs.
And as a brown skinned person, I have every right to boycott any company he is a part of. Which I plan to do.
I don't think I'll be alone.
And as a brown skinned person, I have every right to boycott any company he is a part of. Which I plan to do.
I don't think I'll be alone.
Yeah, freedom of speech is about defending racist garbage, not about talking about how racists are garbage.
Already Torn
Banned
When is hate speech a political belief? Or rather, why should we accept it as one?
plagiarize
Banned
Bold facing lying is protected speech too. Pointing that out doesn't mean we can't criticize people for lying. Freedom of speech works because you reap what you sow.
It's amazing that you jumped in with this just now, right as we are literally discussing how ridiculous this type of "defense" is. Literally every part of your post has been debunked in the last several posts of this 20+ page topic.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Facebook needs to give him the boot. He's tainted the Oculus brand and his pathetic apology says nothing at all. He lied in his apology or he lied to the reporter. Either way, he's a liar and a racist. Why would anyone want their product associated with that?
He has been here before. He is just repeating for effect.
Imperfected
Member
I think they also just don't understand the concept of Freedom of Association, period.
plagiarize
Banned
We have learned to day that Oculus are fine with their figurehead being a liar and supporter of the alt right. My hard drive has been expunged of their software and I my Rift already has bids on it on eBay. I gave a friend my Oculus account.
I know, I read his other post. Just that the timing of that specific lazy post is amazing. I don't doubt he was just drive-by shitposting again, but doing it literally in the middle of a discussion on that particular type of shitpost is fantastic.
Freedom of Speech does not mean you have carte blanche to be an absolute garbage person that spreads hate.
The sound logic of a company is mostly being discreet about political views and activities to avoid the company being related to complicated business unrelated discussions. The damage is already done. Coming up with non-sensical Freedom of speech rhetoric is nothing more than damage control.
SkylineRKR
Member
This isn't about freedom of speech. If he would vote Trump i would think 'stupid, but his right to do so'. He however deliberately funds hate campaigns, guys who seem to share KKK ideology, knowing full well he's a public figure. He's crossing a line.
I think it's not having the effect he thinks it will have
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Everything Palmer does represents Oculus. He is the posterboy for the company. He is the face of the modern VR movement. You aren't getting off that easily Oculus. I am extremely disappointed with the non-apology and the non-action taken by both Palmer and Oculus. This non-action ties the Oculus name to pro-racism and to the general lowering of political discourse.
fvng
Member
Where are the exceptions made for freedom of speech in the constitution? David Duke keeps getting elected in Louisiana despite literally being a KKK white supremacist. Everyone has freedom of speech, even idiots, no exceptions. Also be happy about this since I would rather know who is a racist asshole by them declaring it publicly rather than never knowing who is a racist because of a government law prohibiting free speech
Where does it say in the constitution you can't be a garbage person or have shitty beliefs?
edit: I don't co-sign on anything trump says (with the exception of opposing the TPP) but I dont want to crucify anyone because they support him.
hey, if you write "my views are my own" in your twitter bio that totally removes any culpability for what you say there from your workplace. right?
Not to mention that he probably had a major hand in choosing what kind of people to hire.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Being a racist isn't a political belief.
It's 100% being a racist and a shitty human being. It's believing your superior and putting down others cause of your race.
Honestly we don't need people like you on GAF, and I hope eventually one day we don't have people like you in real life that think being racist is just a political view that should be accepted among the many.
So you use the term witch hunt, but you claim to like to know who is racist so you can outwardly hate them. What exactly do you think is the nature of this "witch hunt?" What are the people bitching about Palmer Luckey doing that is embarrassing and needs to be cut out?
And am I to believe you think racism is a political belief?
Go back to skool
What I mean is just because it isn't the LAW here doesn't mean you can be a horrible person and not expect repercussions from your fellow citizens. Especially when you are the public figurehead of a company. Video games are supposed to be all welcoming, they're supposed to bring people together. Not this fucking bullshit. As a human being, I can not stand for this kind of thing.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
It doesn't. The point mahonay is trying to make is that freedom of speech does not act as a shield of criticism from your peers. Take the time to look up what the amendment entails and why it was made.
You're not getting the posts you're quoting.
One is about whether we should shame racists. The other is about whether we should think of racism as simply a difference in political belief. Neither is disputing freedom of expression.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Do we have proven examples of this guy's held beliefs, or are we just left to interpret them from the company we believe he keeps? I feel like we're just playing fill in the blanks at this point.
I hate to proselytize or whatever in a thread like this, but as somebody who has enjoyed using / demoing some of Oculus' hardware in the past (and believing they would lead the way), I tried the Vive a couple weeks ago, and it was really cool. I used to think it didn't matter much, but I'm a believer in room scale now. Yeah the Rift can do room scale too, I know, but I think the Vive is going to support / handle it better than the Rift will. Valve has got this VR thing down.
Maybe this is pedantic, but racism is a political belief. It's one that shouldn't be tolerated but manages to be a core concept to a lot of political parties. If the goal of saying it is not is to separate it as a thing we can attack, that's unnecessary. You can accept the Nazis were a political party and still not accept their message and call for their dismantling. It's a little dangerous, to me, to pretend things like racism and sexism are over there on the sidelines and not part of politics.
partyphone
Banned
it's always disappointing to see how many white supremecists share my hobby. : (
Huw_Dawson
Member
So have the Daily Beast actually shown off those screenshots that prove Palmer = NimbleRichGuy?
By "David Duke keeps getting elected" you mean "David Duke served two terms in the Louisiana state legislature a quarter of a century ago and hasn't been in public office since," right?
Just clarifying, because your way sounds misleading.
You seem like the type of person who wouldn't understand why they got fired from their job for saying some heinous shit on their Facebook.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want and no one can do anything about it. It just means the government can't persecute you.
You know why it's good to keep it so that they feel pressured not to say this out loud?
Because while you may never change their mind, you can at least get them to pretend and act like decent people to other people. And not perpetuate those views to other people. If they don't feel the pressure not to say these beliefs, they also don't feel the pressure not to act on those beliefs.
Also, make it a cultural norm that it is looked down upon, you make sure younger generations realize that is a bad thing and attitudes will change. Also, peer pressure does help to get people to start rethinking their beliefs.
So yes, people should condemn racists. They should condemn it when they hear racists talking. And they should let it be known how unacceptable they think it is.
Also, freedom of speech doesn't mean that we can't use our freedom of speech to say how wrong we think the person is. It goes both ways.
moondoggerr
Banned
I haven't seen any post suggesting that he doesn't have the right to do what he's done. But I've seen plenty of posts implying that "liberals" want to outlaw what luckey has done.
This is total garbage.
If it came out that Brad Pitt supported ISIS, it would be his legal right. But people would mostly stop going to Brad Pitt movies.
This is total garbage.
If it came out that Brad Pitt supported ISIS, it would be his legal right. But people would mostly stop going to Brad Pitt movies.
entremet
Member
What do know is that he gave money to Nimble America, the disgusting hate group.
He denies being NimbleRichGuy. But many people don't believe him understandably. And the Daily Beast is sticking on that point--that he was NimbleRichGuy.
From the Daily Beast authors
This is getting so intense, house of cards intense.
If only you had access to the internet and could go to their website and look:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...re-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html
partyphone
Banned
where there's smile there's fire: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/palmer-luckey-alt-right
like, you can jam your fingers in your ears and ignore all of this as circumstantial but come on.
Ah man but it's all good, freedom of speech! The law says I can be an absolute piece of shit so it must be totally fine.
They literally posted screenshots of his emails saying "I didn't make the account but I posted on Reddit under the NimbleRichMan name."
Yes and they've posted quite a bit. It's not the company we believe he keeps...it'sthe company he actually keeps. The blanks are more than filled in. It's why he issued a statement.
Hey, I hate knowing that so many alt-righters are anime avatars. Don't ruin it for this liberal-leaning, book-reading anime avatar.
We have a general idea. The posts he authored under the psuedonym are still available online, and they reveal a pretty dark side to his egotism. Other people online are coming forth with stories of interaction, like this guy: http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/23/im-not-surprised-palmer-luckey-is-funding-trumps-shitposts/
There is also the contents of his twitter activity, which, while he doesn't speak of Trump Rhetoric, he overwhelmingly goes out of his way to like it, and not other rhetoric.
Milo yiannopoulos also vetted the dude publicly when they thought shit had hit the fan before Palmer Luckey posted his "apology."
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