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[nOoblet16]

Keep in mind though that even though in terms of raw power there is a huge gap if we are to talk of pure visual effects and features then in that case the gap will get diluted considerably if Xbox One games target 900P and Scorpio games target native 4K.

 

[Proelite]

My guess would have been 8-10TF @ FP32. Allows the console to be the base model for a very long time based on the ability to start developing @ onQ FP16 levels once native 4K/30 or 60 can no longer be achieved.

Don't get your hopes up.

6.5 is the highest you will see.

 

[Chris1]

$399 doesn't sound like a premium price. This sounds like a typical console launch price. I would expect $499 to be labeled as 'premium' in 2017.

This being said, I do not think Sony kept their word with 'premium' promise, although I would rebuy the pro in an instant.

Read what phil said. Whenever he brings up premium price it's in comparison to the s. 399 isn't premium on its own but compared to the s it absolutely is.

Also he said it will be priced within what people expect from consoles. If that doesn't say 399 I don't know what will.

 

[borges]

Yeah, we need to get back to the standard 5 year gen cycle. The PS3/360 gen where both tried to drag it out for almost twice as long lowered expectations on what should be a constant horse race for the consumer's hearts (and wallets). The more competition, the gamer wins.

I have 230 games on my Xbox One. No way Ill buy a new console that does not play them.

 

[fritolay]

They need to just cut off the XBO if this is true. They need to have a trade in program and just say fuck it, if they're serious about dominating the market.

They'll look great. The best. Xbox One? Sad.

Wonder how much the cloud will help Scorpio too, exciting times ahead.

that is why generationless console will never happen, eventually OG xbone won't be able to run newer game no matter how much they downgrade the visual.

The latest Gran Turismo makes my PS4 friends not happy. All the stuff you get in the new game with PS4 Pro. This is no different/

I think people are going to not be happy with original PS4 and XB1. But that is the course we are going.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

A year from now the Scorpio's GPU, if it stays at 6TF will be around where the PS4's equivalent GPU was in terms of MSRP in 2013. MS is going to be very aggressive with the Scorpio and barring some expensive CPU on the SoC $400 will be totally doable.

 

[Pop On Arrival]

is there a reason to get an xbox one if you have windows 10 and a beefy pc? Arent all their "exclusive" games coming to PC?

either way they make money i guess

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

I really hope Spencer announces at E3 that MS had a long think and have had a change of heart so have decided to make Project Scorpio the full on next gen replacement for XB1 meaning not only will it run cross gen games but also completely exclusive Scorpio only games.

Hamstringing such a powerful console to it's 1.3tflop relative is such a waste.

 

[III-V]

Read what phil said. Whenever he brings up premium price it's in comparison to the s. 399 isn't premium on its own but compared to the s it absolutely is.

Also he said it will be priced within what people expect from consoles. If that doesn't say 399 I don't know what will.

I think people will like the Scorpio, no doubt, its has potential for a huge leap from the X1S, but at a $399 price point I wouldn't use the term premium price, I would say value, particularly in comparison with its competitor, the Pro. So I still have the feeling we will see higher than a $399 price point if they continue 'premium' talk.

 

[mnemonicj]

That extra power will be something to look forward to.

 

[jdmonmou]

I really hope Spencer announces at E3 that MS had a long think and have had a change of heart so have decided to make Project Scorpio the full on next gen replacement for XB1 meaning not only will it run cross gen games but also completely exclusive Scorpio only games.

Hamstringing such a powerful console to it's 1.3tflop relative is such a waste.

Microsoft should've said that from the beginning. It makes no sense to anchor the Scorpio to the Xbox One. Now there will be a huge backlash if Microsoft goes back on their initial promise to not have exclusives.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

I think people will like the Scorpio, no doubt, its has potential for a huge leap from the X1S, but at a $399 price point I wouldn't use the term premium price, I would say value, particularly in comparison with its competitor, the Pro. So I still have the feeling we will see higher than a $399 price point if they continue 'premium' talk.

But vs the S, it IS a premium price.

They're comparing pricing to their existing product, which by November 2017 will have an entry level price of $249 or lower. $399 is most definitely Premium vs $249.

 

[RedRum]

If the gains are what people are "hoping" it is to be then I am willing to shell out some money for this thing. I don't want Scorpio to be a "Pro" upgrade. I want to to be significant. Move forward. Offer a significant trade-in bonus for XB1/S owners and give them an incentive to move on.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

If the gains are what people are "hoping" it is to be then I am willing to shell out some money for this thing. I don't want Scorpio to be a "Pro" upgrade. I want to to be significant. Move forward. Offer a significant trade-in bonus for XB1/S owners and give them an incentive to move on.

It will be significant vs the S.

In both price and power. But Microsoft won't sell a console above $399 ever again (entry level). Neither will Sony for that matter.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

The Xbox 360 was released four years after the original Xbox. Scorpio is due in 2017, four years after the Xbox One launched. They might as well just call the Xbox One a Don Mattrick salvage and have Scorpio be a new console.

 

[RedRum]

It will be significant vs the S.

In both price and power. But Microsoft won't sell a console above $399 ever again (entry level). Neither will Sony for that matter.

I'm fearing if they go too low on the price then they will skimp on specs.

 

[Chezzymann]

I hope what they mean is that in comparison normal Xbox games will look like shit (but still perform on par to what they do now) and not that they won't try and make sure the original Xbox can run the games well

 

[Alchemy]

Its a compromise for trying to kill console generations and why Sony doesn't want to. Sony is clearly trying to position the PS4 Pro as a simple solution for 4k without really branching too far from what the original PS4 does otherwise, while Microsoft just seems to be turning the Xbox into a PC style ecosystem. It'll basically run future software but at massive reductions to visual quality. We're basically getting a Microsoft version of the Steam Machine.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

I really hope Spencer announces at E3 that MS had a long think and have had a change of heart so have decided to make Project Scorpio the full on next gen replacement for XB1 meaning not only will it run cross gen games but also completely exclusive Scorpio only games.

Hamstringing such a powerful console to it's 1.3tflop relative is such a waste.

There is no "gen" for Xbox anymore.

 

[Devilgunman]

There won't be many (if any) Scorpio focused games. MS is lttp with this mid-gen hardware. We've seen examples from New 3DS and sega 32X.

 

[jdmonmou]

I hope what they mean is that in comparison normal Xbox games will look like shit (but still perform on par to what they do now) and not that they won't try and make sure the original Xbox can run the games well

I think either we're going to have a lot of people still on original Xbox Ones complaining about poorly optimized games or people on Scorpios complaining about games not taking full advantage of the Scorpio's power. Just look at how many threads were created by people asking for PS4 Pro patches for certain games. It's going to be hard for MS to please both Xbox One and Scorpio owners at the same time.

 

[LukasTaves]

Also i was thrown off cause he made it sound like devs were getting word that MS isn't mandating that devs use XB1 as a base, so they can just make a Scorpio game and compromise the XB1 version in whatever way they need to.

I can understand Scorpio running the games better, but compromising the hardware your still selling with that kind of development patter makes no sense to me whatsoever

They can't control devs out what they will target, but if they target Scorpio as a baseline it's bound to look much worse on xbone, ps4 and to a lesser extent even the Pro.

It will likely be up to the devs like it's today.

 

[family_guy]

Read what phil said. Whenever he brings up premium price it's in comparison to the s. 399 isn't premium on its own but compared to the s it absolutely is.

Also he said it will be priced within what people expect from consoles. If that doesn't say 399 I don't know what will.

They also charged $500 for an Xbox One with Kinect so they've already shown they're fine with charging up to that amount.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

They also charged $500 for an Xbox One with Kinect so they've already shown they're fine with charging up to that amount.

That must explain the PS4s $599 price point.

 

[LukasTaves]

I hope what they mean is that in comparison normal Xbox games will look like shit (but still perform on par to what they do now) and not that they won't try and make sure the original Xbox can run the games well

I believe ms goal with xbox going forward is to have dynamic everything for a steady frame rate.

In the insider hub app there's now a permanent section for you to report slowdowns for any game or even the system which I believe ms will send to devs and try to improve the games.

I suspect they are making it so their tools make it extra easy for the devs to ensure a near locked frame rate whatever the target is.

 

[Renekton]

Sure you can in late 2017. Power is relative to that timeframe.

Since PS4X1 debut in 2013, it took 3 years for around $100 in cost savings.

One year for significantly more bandwidth, memory, TFlops and cooling considerations over PS4Pro is asking a lot.

 

[family_guy]

That must explain the PS4s $599 price point.

The point is they will charge what it costs to make at the minimum, but most likely with a small profit margin in mind. They probably didn't want to charge $500 for the Xbox with Kinect anymore than Sony wanted to charge $600 for the PS3, but the tech costs wouldn't allow either of them to do any lower. I feel like some people think MS will go down to $400 and accept a loss on the hardware just to get it out there, but I just don't see that happening. If you want a $400 Xbox Scorpio then either the system ends up being weaker than reported, or they delay it until 2018 to get prices down. Yields will probably be low too so that's another factor in the pricing.

 

[Neuromancer]

Keep in mind this is one developer's opinion. MS has to be smarter than to let this happen.

 

[rjcc]

they asked who of what?

and...isn't that how PCs work?

 

[Plus1Attack]

Well no shit, guys. That's why these incremental upgrades are nearly pointless, imo. You're just paying for the better framrate/textures on a machine that is still the industry standard.

 

[AmyS]

Sign me up for Scorpio, PS5, Xbox Two, and PS5 Pro.

 

[TaterTots]

I wonder if they will indeed be Scorpio exclusives? I'd like to see a game built up for the Scorpio to see how it looks. I wouldn't even blame MS for calling it "next gen" if true.

 

[watdaeff4]

The latest Gran Turismo makes my PS4 friends not happy. All the stuff you get in the new game with PS4 Pro. This is no different/

As a OG PS4 owner who doesn't have a 4KTV, is there anything with GT that would warrant me upgrading to a Pro? What would I get with a Pro that I couldn't with an OG?

 

[PSGames]

I hope what they mean is that in comparison normal Xbox games will look like shit (but still perform on par to what they do now) and not that they won't try and make sure the original Xbox can run the games well

Think about it. Once games are maxed out on Scorpio at 1080p where is there left to go on Xbox One? Games will have to be sub-HD and with many reduced/eliminated effects. Even PS4 Pro compared to scorpio will more than likely have to reduce the resolution and/or forgo some effects.

 

[Zyae]

awesome

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Not sure why many people talking about MS need to "admit" Scorpio as "next gen", they don't have to admit anything, because their target is make "generation" don't exist anymore.

It's more like Xbox One's life cycle will end in 2019 or 2020 when "Scorpio 2" released, then games will be on Scorpio and Scorpio 2, and Scorpio will become basic model like Xbox One in 2017-19/20.

 

[TAJ]

So Scorpio games won't typically aim for 4K? Because if they do then this statement is ridiculous.

 

[Sr. Wiggles]

I have 230 games on my Xbox One. No way Ill buy a new console that does not play them.

... how can you possibly have that many games?!

 

[Fuchsdh]

This would be a big mistake.

Especially if the Scorpio costs a lot.

If the Scorpio costs a lot (and all evidence says it will) then few developers are going to target Scorpio first, so the problem solves itself.

 

[watdaeff4]

... how can you possibly have that many games?!

Probably counting BC and GwG.


With that I'm around 160 or so. For the last year GwG has delivered 4 games/month

 

[Lazaro]

Sounds like devs can scale the graphical effects for their games to different Windows 10 game boxes.

 

[ThatsMytrunks]

That's an interesting thing to say about a console still trying to be sold for the coming year.

To be fair, it's an indie dev saying this. Not Microsoft.

 

[odhiex]

As predicted, exactly no one left behind. Although some may come late and join business class, while others will stay in the ecomy class if they don't want to upgrade.

I think Microsoft's strategy with Scorpio is slightly different to Sony's. The way I see it, Microsoft wants iterrative consoles and to include Windows in the same XBOX family. I have a feeling that XBOX one support will be slightly longer than PS4.

While Sony brought PS4Pro as the enhanced version of PS4, while it still stays in the PS4 ecosystem. PS5, however, will be the next-gen PS and it will be releasing in 2-3 years from now.

 

[brokenbeans]

This would be fine if I didn't have the whole mandatory 4K thing sticking in my throat.

Will wait till next actual gen.

 

[kraspkibble]

You dont say! If you develop a game to take full advantage of a high end PC and have to get it running on a PS4/XB1 then that version will look really poor in comparison. My PC can do Watch Dogs 2 at 1440p 60fps but on XB1 it runs 900p 30fps lol. There are differences but still look similar and very much playable.

I have an XB1 for now but will probably pass on Scorpio. All I hope for is that Halo 6 comes out on XB1 or gets released on PC.

 

[UraMallas]

... how can you possibly have that many games?!

I have more than that. 270+, I believe.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

So Scorpio games won't typically aim for 4K? Because if they do then this statement is ridiculous.

This. I think people underestimate how much of a load on GPUs native 4k rendering is.

 

[Miles X]

Microsoft should've said that from the beginning. It makes no sense to anchor the Scorpio to the Xbox One. Now there will be a huge backlash if Microsoft goes back on their initial promise to not have exclusives.

People won't give a shit 2 years on.

 

[JeffG]

I have more than that. 270+, I believe.

I am sitting at 105 installed 113 ready to install

I have no idea when i will ever get around to playing them lol

 

[PeterLegend]

So wait a minute, would the Xbox Two or whatever comes out in 2020/2021 be tied to Xbox one bare specs for making games as well? This end of console generations is confusing because eventually hardware is too weak to keep up with the latest and greatest...