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[jroc74]

Next Gen starts with the Switch!
Or so I was told.

Yea...its complicated...lol. Definitely next gen for Nintendo tho.

Not even matching the current Nvidia Shield on the market when going with the exact same manufacturer is some hilarious "only Nintendo" shit.

Really trying to hit some battery life impossibility while saving money and not stumping up for a thicker heavier device with a more expensive battery. Shame because the idea of a hybrid is sound, its just Nintendo is so anti tech it's not gonna be what it could. Until maybe.... Revision 3!

If you wanted PS4/Xbox One/PC third party games, you know where you'll continue to find them.

Yea when I read not matching the Shield I was like ...hmmm...

 

[Skittzo0413]

Your meltdown is pathetic. Stop.

He's not wrong though. Clock speeds really don't have much of an effect on price beyond the battery size needed.

 

[dark10x]

Weaker than Shield TV?

Nvidia are experts selling crap to console companies (remember PS3 GPU...)

PS3 was an emergency situation, though, after Toshiba's GPU plans didn't work out. NV had to ready a solution within a very short time frame.

 

[Psyrgery ES]

Fuck me, I expected low specs from Nintendo but not that low!

 

[DragonSworne]

Nintendo decided to call it a home console. That's a PR mistake IMO.

It's not just marketing, this IS a replacement for Wii U. Otherwise, we might as well just say Nintendo has left the console business.

 

[b00_thegh0st]

This thing is going to run 1st party games @1080 on my 1080p screen and will double as a handheld @720. I wasn't expecting anything else. Were you?

 

[Pachimari]

I fail to see what is so bad about this? As long as we don't get worse looking games than Wii U. I was expecting to have Wii U levelled games on Switch.

 

[PdotMichael]

Sooo...
"CPU: NX>>>>>XBO>PS4"

"Quad core cortex A57 @ 1GHz"

Are, um, we talking about that...Because statement 2 rings statement 1 very, very wrong.

That's like the biggest new discovery from those news.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Sooo...
"CPU: NX>>>>>XBO>PS4"

"Quad core cortex A57 @ 1GHz"

Are, um, we talking about that...Because statement 2 rings statement 1 very, very wrong.

Again this article is not confirming anything beyond clock speeds. It says explicitly that SM count and CPU core count/type are still unknown.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Nintendo decided to call it a home console. That's a PR mistake IMO.

I would argue that the message of being a home console was more to ensure people they weren't completely going out of the home market, but if these speeds are true I not so sure what the problem calling it a handheld first would be.

 

[Raide]

For a handheld, it should be pretty damn good. For a home console, it's poor. How it will manage trying to cover both bases is anyone's guess but third parties won't like the idea of having to throttle everything down, so the performance could be all over the place.

Soon find out. Just being able to play a potential new Monster Hunter is enough for me.

 

[what-ok]

Third party support typically necessitates hardware power that's up to standards.
Lest console developers end up scaring some of them away.

Yikes! Well... Thats that I guess.

 

[Vic]

Hopefully.

Getting games seen on PC/PS4/Xbox One, for most cases, shouldn't be a issue. Better situation than the Wii U.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Man, Nintendo better bring their A-game regarding first-party content. Especially during the first 18 months. This is going to be a first-party device, plain and simple . No third party is going to support this with multiplatform software, outside of a handful of Japanese publishers and one or two western pubs at launch.

I'm totally fine with this, but Nintendo better have dozens of games lined up for the first year or so. Also, Christ, they really need to hit $199 if they can.

 

[KingBroly]

Man, Nintendo better bring their A-game regarding first-party content. Especially during the first 18 months. This is going to be a first-party device, plain and simple . No third party is going to support this with multiplatform software, outside of a handful of Japanese publishers and one or two western pubs at launch.

I'm totally fine with this, but Nintendo better have dozens of games lined up for the first year or so.

They probably won't.

 

[Rouse]

Being a Nintendo fan is basically the equivalent of being an Arsenal one. Every time a new system is announced I hear how it won't be too far behind and they won't make the same mistakes again, but in the end, it's disappointingly weak and we're forced to accept it. Just like Arsenal, I hear how it's always gonna be our season and then the same mistakes happen again and we're forced to accept it.

Hahahahahah!!! Nailed it!

But two bad results hasn't ended your season though. It still could be your year...!!!

 

[Father_Brain]

A Nintendo console should not be anyone's primary gaming platform, unless you only care about Nintendo first-party titles.

It didn't take Nostradamus to predict that Switch wasn't going to change that.

 

[Ladekabel]

I think some people put to much in the "It's a console first" statement. Contrary to the WiiU, Nintendo sees still life in the 3DS since there are still games coming for it. Or the Switch is the third pillar.

 

[witness]

This better be $199

Spoiler

Who am I kidding, $299 at least

.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Man, Nintendo better bring their A-game regarding first-party content. Especially during the first 18 months. This is going to be a first-party device, plain and simple . No third party is going to support this with multiplatform software, outside of a handful of Japanese publishers and one or two western pubs at launch.

I'm totally fine with this, but Nintendo better have dozens of games lined up for the first year or so.

Maybe indies will embrace it.

 

[Piers]

You understand that it's the games that matter in the end right?

Buying it for Nintendo games is fine, but the Wii U's bread and butter was suppose to be playing recent PS360 games with the advantage of off-TV play. Aside from poor sales, ass CPU really hampered the few third-party games the system got.

And Wii U made it quite clear by now how necessary third-party support is.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Getting games seen on PC/PS4/Xbox One, for most cases, shouldn't be a issue. Better situation than the Wii U.

It's never been a hardware issue though.

 

[GhostTrick]

I disagree. The announcement video pretty clearly shows how small the device is and emphasized it's use off the dock.

As a matter a fact, I consider it as a handheld. But in PR, Nintendo specifically calls it a home console.

 

[GinoFelino]

...
everyone in here has seen Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon, right?

And what I'm hearing here is that we'll be playing with the same performance as a Wii U while portable, and up to 2.5x as powerful when docked.

And people are disappointed? Because of the numbers?

You understand that it's the games that matter in the end right?

Yeah, but we haven't had a good panic in a while, so.

You know.

Sometimes people just need a good panic.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I'll take an underclocked tablet as my next Nintendo console, but I hope that the system is priced accordingly. The biggest consumer benefit of Nintendo's "use old hardware" strategy is that it makes things cheaper.

We'll wait and see. I'd like to rejoin with Nintendo again. Though the software quality will have to be there of course.

 

[Grenchel]

...
everyone in here has seen Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon, right?

And what I'm hearing here is that we'll be playing with the same performance as a Wii U while portable, and up to 2.5x as powerful when docked.

And people are disappointed? Because of the numbers?

You understand that it's the games that matter in the end right?

I'm not disappointed in the slifhtest, to be honest. this is line with with Nintendo's in almost forever.

But with every new console there's a general hope that Nintendo is going to release a power house , a third party friendly platform, something that is going to push them back in front of the race.

It's all a dream, and I think lately we are finally seeing Nintendo accepting their fate with very interesting products.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

As a matter a fact, I consider it as a handheld. But in PR, Nintendo specifically calls it a home console.

What does it matter what they call it?
The video completely came across to me as a handheld that can connect to your tv.

 

[lwilliams3]

So there is a significant difference between portable-mode and console-mode. Even more than I expected: 2.5x. That would give devs the power to go from 720p to 1080p.

I wonder if it is 3 SMs in the GPU to get the system closer to the base TX1. Anyway, worse case scenario, this seems to only be littlr below people's general expectations. There are also a few details that we don't know that can make a difference.

 

[NEO0MJ]

We're getting a system significantly more powerful than Wii U, with modern architecture capable of running down-scaled current-gen games, and it's all possible not even plugged in, running on a battery.

Honestly, what were people expecting/ what are people really complaining about?

No, you're not getting a portable Xbox One for $249. lol. Please come back to earth.

People were expecting them to get the latest portable GPU offering, not something that, by the Switch's release, will be over a year old.

 

[dark10x]

I fail to see what is so bad about this? As long as we don't get worse looking games than Wii U. I was expecting to have Wii U levelled games on Switch.

Wii U was outdated at launch and made it difficult to translate games being made for more powerful machines. Nintendo lost out on support from third parties since Wii U conversions would always require a ton of work and ultimately look and run worse. The Switch being underpowered suggests once again that we may not see big third party titles on Switch.

It needs to be successful enough to pull in support. That should yield games specifically made for Switch.

 

[outunderthestars]

To play what? Captain Toad 2D: Textile Edition? Mario Party 12? Another 2D Donkey Kong? Etrian Odyssey 3 Untold?

Then Nintendo should brace themselves for worst ending possible. This is a company whose one out of every 3 game is a crappy Mario spinoff. They can even hit 10 million mark without even a little third party presence.

So you want a powerful Nintendo handheld, which it looks like you are getting, but you're having a meltdown because it will play Nintendo's games?

I will take 720p Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, etc while also getting portable Splatoon, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Zelda, 3D Mario, etc.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Is the portable screen OLED or not? That will make a huge difference in how games look depending on the screen.

 

[Aldric]

lf this thing isn't dirt cheap and doesn't have an amazing launch lineup (and no, Wii U remasters don't count) l'm out. Really not looking forward to five more years of Wii U level graphics.

 

[True Fire]

Lol Nintendo.

(That would be 153 GPU GFlops in portable mode)

Next gen starts now 😂

 

[DragonKnight]

No words really if true. If I dont like what I see come January, ill get a pro instead.

 

[Vic]

It's never been a hardware issue though.

There's multiple reason why the Wii U failed like it did. The specs did play a part in it's demise.

 

[chillybright]

In 3 years there will be a new revision. Maximum

Yep.

 

[Pie and Beans]

It's not just marketing, this IS a replacement for Wii U. Otherwise, we might as well just say Nintendo has left the console business.

I mean yeah, thats whats happened? I guess people still feel Nintendo PR doesn't/couldn't lie to them.

The WiiU was Nintendo's last home console. Now they're trying to shore up their handheld side and see if they can remain in hardware.

 

[Manoko]

People expecting 199$ price point forget two things:

-Nintendo is known to overprice their hardware to sell their console on a profit.
-With a hybrid/handheld console, you have to pay for battery and most importantly the screen.

This will be 249$ at the very least, with that cheap ass hardware inside.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

They probably won't.

If not, they should exit hardware. I really don't care about low power, but they need a ton of games.

 

[KAL2006]

I know the likely rumour $250/£200 will most likely be true.

But it would be way more successful if Nintendo targeted impulse buyers and went for handheld price range.

$200
£160

 

[foxbeldin]

So in DBZ terms, how is it compared to a wiiU?

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Man, Nintendo better bring their A-game regarding first-party content. Especially during the first 18 months. This is going to be a first-party device, plain and simple . No third party is going to support this with multiplatform software, outside of a handful of Japanese publishers and one or two western pubs at launch.

I'm totally fine with this, but Nintendo better have dozens of games lined up for the first year or so. Also, Christ, they really need to hit $199 if they can.

Yep. They need to hit $199.99 and kill it software wise or this is doomed. Even with that it's not a sure thing with their decling sales trends gen over gen bar the Wii. Interest in their type of games may continue to wane.

 

[purseowner]

Is the portable screen OLED or not? That will make a huge difference in how games look depending on the screen.

If only.

Spoiler

Not at that price.

 

[Philippo]

So, is it closer to WiiU or Xbox One?

What can we expect in terms of 3rd party AAA titles support?

 

[Vic]

Is the portable screen OLED or not? That will make a huge difference in how games look depending on the screen.

OLED? Crazied pls.

 

[hiim_haz]

I don't know what any of this means.

So it's not that powerful...? I mean, I kind of expected that considering Nintendo's past few consoles and handhelds. It doesn't make a huge different to me.

 

[takriel]

It's gonna be interesting to see how much this news matter after the January event.

Will the Switch be another Wii U flop because of its specs? Or will it manage to capture gamers in ways other than raw power?

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Does the Shield have those crazy fans the Switch has? Thats the only part I dont understand.

 

[KingBroly]

In 3 years there will be a new revision. Maximum

I give it a year.

- '4 screen
- $150
- No Dock