Yep I totally agree with you, that will make the difference (and Pokemon will also help). I hope it is what Nintendo is doing with their massive war chest.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Yep I totally agree with you, that will make the difference (and Pokemon will also help). I hope it is what Nintendo is doing with their massive war chest.
family_guy
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So Skyrim is a port of the last gen versions?
PdotMichael
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Good that you only listed Nintendo titles.
meanspartan
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This was obvious as soon as we knew it would be partially portable. Not sure why everyone is surprised.
JayWood2010
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Maybe its just me, but as somebody who loves the Vita i am more than happy that the Switch will be able to run games like Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, or downgraded versions of newer games.
What can I say, I like portable devices, and id be willing to sacrifice power to play these games on one.
What can I say, I like portable devices, and id be willing to sacrifice power to play these games on one.
Zombie James
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The Tegra X1 Shield was released in May 2015, actually. Compared to that system, the Switch has:
- 50% less CPU clockspeed (2GHz -> 1GHz)
- 25-70% less GPU clockspeed (1GHz -> 768MHz docked -> 307.2MHz undocked).
GodfatherX
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To clear things up for bullshit posters in this thread
Most of us following the leaks were expecting at minimum Tehran X1 specs while docked, not Xbox one performance.
It makes almost no sense to custom fan a chip based on the x1, a 2 year old chip, and then down clock it when docked.
The down clock was always expected in portable mode, but even with the docked clock speeds, a 60% drop is more then anybody really guessed
Most of us following the leaks were expecting at minimum Tehran X1 specs while docked, not Xbox one performance.
It makes almost no sense to custom fan a chip based on the x1, a 2 year old chip, and then down clock it when docked.
The down clock was always expected in portable mode, but even with the docked clock speeds, a 60% drop is more then anybody really guessed
sir_bumble_bee
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On top of that, the need for a fan, both docked and undocked. There's no way this is a stock Tegra X1.
Ulysses 31
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Hype(rbole) culture.
manueldelalas
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I expected nothing and still left disappointed...
Chezzymann
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Always figured it would be about as powerful as a Wii U, not sure why people were expecting near xbox one. This is nintendo we're talking about. They made the 3DS.
SolidSnakex
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Richard mentions that they'll be attending the Switch even next month, so hopefully Nintendo let's them record direct feed footage. It'll give us a very good idea of what the system is capable of since I doubt Nintendo will release hard specs.
Well, and Minecraft. Those are the only relevant 1st party console games on mobile.
shark sandwich
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IMO they should've designed it as a handheld first. I.e. made the thing no bigger than a 3DS XL.
As it is, it looks like the worst of both worlds: not powerful enough to get uncompromised PS4/X1 multiplats, not small enough to replace 3DS as a handheld game system.
I dunno, maybe it's just a psychological thing. I can get excited for a dock-able 3DS. Not so much a dock-able tablet with detachable controllers.
Father_Brain
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I kinda wish Nintendo would put out a PS4-level console just to definitively dispel the myth that hardware performance is the primary reason for lack of AAA third party support.
Oh well, people will believe what they want to believe. But seriously, buy a PS4/XB/PC if you want those games so badly.
Oh well, people will believe what they want to believe. But seriously, buy a PS4/XB/PC if you want those games so badly.
Insane Metal
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Iriscomeback
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We haven't seen a single game except Zelda (that looks amazing) for this thing and people are already panicking.
The WiiU was underpowered too but had awesome games that looked AMAZING. Xenoblade anyone?
Specs don't matter (to me at least).
The WiiU was underpowered too but had awesome games that looked AMAZING. Xenoblade anyone?
Specs don't matter (to me at least).
For real.
Also, to those they think it's DOA, if Nintendo can put out enough solid 1st party titles to sell Switches, they'll be fine.
Let's not give up on this thing before we even know what the launch titles are.
Interface_2037
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Well, reading that, I've come to the inescapable conclusion that it's an utter turd of a console.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Avoid.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Avoid.
That doesn't mean squat though especially since that video had no real working swicth console in it
PdotMichael
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Only that they are working with a company together that is capable of releasing a tablet with better specs years ago and that for 200$ since the K1 revision.
I technically know why, I also know why it matters to a lot of NeoGAF because we're having a discussion here and that's fine, but I still feel compelled to ask:
Who cares?
This is freaking Nintendo we're talking about. How are you not used to this by now? How have you not come to expect this by now? How have you still not seen that the final product will rival and often surpass other hardware in terms of both beauty and performance?
I suppose it may be better to ask:
Why should I care?
I know that Nintendo uses underpowered hardware and I have for 10 years now. I know that Nintendo still makes the best, most creative, most well-designed games in the industry anyway. I know that this is going to be both a home and a portable console. I know this is going to have the combined output of their console and handheld games teams. Why should this affect any of those things?
Even if Titanfall 2 or Dark Souls 3 runs on my Switch, would I really purchase them there when I could likely find them on sale for $10 at that point for my PS4 or even more likely own them already in the first place? Probably not. Would 3rd party (particularly western) developers support Nintendo hardware even if it did match the PS4 in terms of power? Probably not. Would turning the thing into a hardware beast sell more Switch units? Probably not.
All that to say, yeah it is fine to be disappointed, but this hardly warrants some of the freak out I'm seeing. Nintendo consoles are just as strong as other consoles, their strength just lies in other places. Namely, their strong first party support, their couch multiplayer, and their creativity. It's gonna be fine.
Who cares?
This is freaking Nintendo we're talking about. How are you not used to this by now? How have you not come to expect this by now? How have you still not seen that the final product will rival and often surpass other hardware in terms of both beauty and performance?
I suppose it may be better to ask:
Why should I care?
I know that Nintendo uses underpowered hardware and I have for 10 years now. I know that Nintendo still makes the best, most creative, most well-designed games in the industry anyway. I know that this is going to be both a home and a portable console. I know this is going to have the combined output of their console and handheld games teams. Why should this affect any of those things?
Even if Titanfall 2 or Dark Souls 3 runs on my Switch, would I really purchase them there when I could likely find them on sale for $10 at that point for my PS4 or even more likely own them already in the first place? Probably not. Would 3rd party (particularly western) developers support Nintendo hardware even if it did match the PS4 in terms of power? Probably not. Would turning the thing into a hardware beast sell more Switch units? Probably not.
All that to say, yeah it is fine to be disappointed, but this hardly warrants some of the freak out I'm seeing. Nintendo consoles are just as strong as other consoles, their strength just lies in other places. Namely, their strong first party support, their couch multiplayer, and their creativity. It's gonna be fine.
I just hoped Nintendo would've learned from their mistakes because its been happening since the days of the N64.
I really just don't understand what Nintendo is thinking. Why cripple their own hardware like this?
professor denim
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Not that i was going to play BF1 on this. Will wait for the full reveal.
It's still baffling that Switch in handheld mode is running at almost half of the GPU performance of the Nvidia Shield Tablet.
I wonder how the 2.2GHz quad-core A15 CPU on that compares to the 4 A57 clocked at 1 Ghz?
The GPU clocks makes Nate Drake source sound very unreliable, because there's no way somebody would confuse this with Pascal.
And the CPU info should disqualify any info from LCCGeek, really. Those 4 A57 at 1 Ghz are not competitive in any given scenario.
I wonder how the 2.2GHz quad-core A15 CPU on that compares to the 4 A57 clocked at 1 Ghz?
The GPU clocks makes Nate Drake source sound very unreliable, because there's no way somebody would confuse this with Pascal.
And the CPU info should disqualify any info from LCCGeek, really. Those 4 A57 at 1 Ghz are not competitive in any given scenario.
lyrick
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May I see the math? I keep getting 196.6...
TGO
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That a new low, I'd gotten use to Nintendo being a generation behind but 2 generations?
You maybe able to......Not BF1, but the first Battlefield.
The Tegra K1 tablet isn't even close to this. What people are comparing it to is the Shield TV.
Yes and the few we saw on the switch portable mode, it seems to run smoothly than Wii U
Its possible.
Things change. Motorola was releasing a phone that many thought for sure was gonna be on Verizon because thats where all the better Motorola phones went.
Inside info seemed to suggest that too. Until it came out for AT&T. Another thing ppl were surprised at was Motorola releasing a family of phones, something they never really did before.
All that was either missed, got changed or not shared by the insider.
Buggy Loop
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Yeah.. one "source" tells us it's over 1TFLOP (still unlikely) and the other puts the figure towards the opposite end of the performance spectrum.
500 engineering hours. Someone tweet Jen-Hsun Huang to congratulate him, clearly, if they managed to convince Nintendo to have lower than TegraX1 performance, 2 years later, and still charge 500 engineering hours to Nintendo, they made the best technological heist of the 2010's
500 engineering hours. Someone tweet Jen-Hsun Huang to congratulate him, clearly, if they managed to convince Nintendo to have lower than TegraX1 performance, 2 years later, and still charge 500 engineering hours to Nintendo, they made the best technological heist of the 2010's
Goose_Se7en
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Did we reslly expect anything less from Nintendo? I sure didn't although I wanted something different. Nintendo bowed out of the arms race a long long time ago.
Nintendo is known for its awesome games and they will continue to do the same on Switch. This will of course alienate the 3rd party devs who will refuse to dumb down their franchises for the Switch and in turn it may push away gamers who just want one box and prefer it to be Nintendo for all their gaming needs.
Nintendo is known for its awesome games and they will continue to do the same on Switch. This will of course alienate the 3rd party devs who will refuse to dumb down their franchises for the Switch and in turn it may push away gamers who just want one box and prefer it to be Nintendo for all their gaming needs.
Father_Brain
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Has there ever been actual proof of that regarding Wii U?
The dev kit specs have apparently stayed consistent, so I doubt it, in any case.
Yeah, that downclock is weird. The Nexus 9 from two years ago has the Tegra in it and that thing is a thin little tablet.
However, besides the downclock I'm not at all surprised by the (guessed) price to performance. The Nexus 9 is still $325 and considering Nintendo's special hardware, R&D, and custom manufacturing with a most likely lower price than that, a modern Nexus 9 like performance specialized for gaming makes sense to me.
However, besides the downclock I'm not at all surprised by the (guessed) price to performance. The Nexus 9 is still $325 and considering Nintendo's special hardware, R&D, and custom manufacturing with a most likely lower price than that, a modern Nexus 9 like performance specialized for gaming makes sense to me.
OrbitalBeard
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Seems like all GAF insiders had bad sources. Or Nintendo changed things at the last minute (which I doubt, but hey, who knows).
Delusibeta
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The PS4 and the Xbone has completely disproven this hypothesis. Hell, so did the WiiU. Exclusives no longer sell consoles.
dynamitejim
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differentiation in rumors from who?
SinCityAssassin
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Alright, guy.
Milly Osworth
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Yeah, the bolded part is never going to happen anyway.
If this is true, Nintendo is going handheld first. Which kinda makes sense if you compare their handheld sales to their console sales.
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