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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Yes. Unfortunate since the Wii U was already very underpowered and a generation behind. This is now 2 gens behind.
Sammy Samusu
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the anger 😁
Justice_Bolt
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10/10. That was good.
pixellated_man
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Lol.
Guess those of us who were expecting lots of ps4 / xbox ports are in for a big disappointment. The few ports that it will get will invariably be at a much reduced fidelity.
Oh well. I have a ps4 and that covers pretty much every type of third party software imaginable. I'll get the Switch solely for Nintendo exclusives as has been the case for Nintendo branded consoles for a long time.
Teletraan1
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Yeah fuck off Nintendo. I am not paying more than $150-200 for the tech in this device if this is true.
Milly Osworth
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3DS had way more support than Vita, so bad comparison.
Sure it has architectural advantages but its grossly underclocked low, doesn't even compare to our "confirmed" leaked devkit in the other thread. So its still utterly bizarre.
Moreover, this wouldn't even run Zelda at 30 in handheld.
We only know the clocks we don't know the customization or CUDA core count.
You're grossly overestimating the wiiU CPU.
TwilightPrincess
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Vita has no 50gflops lol
nintendo ocer prices their stuff. $200 would be major surprise
Why not just advertise it as a handheld? This was made with Japan in mind. Calling it a console I was expecting xbox 1 level of performance and handheld mode would be close to it.
There's already many phones and tablets that outperform this one on the alleged specs
Why not just advertise it as a handheld? This was made with Japan in mind. Calling it a console I was expecting xbox 1 level of performance and handheld mode would be close to it.
There's already many phones and tablets that outperform this one on the alleged specs
Kleegamefan
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If he has an iPhone 7 or a Samsung Galaxy S7, his phone would technically be more powerful than an nVidia Shield X1, which in turn is looking like it is more powerful than the Switch.
The fact Nintendo Switch uses nVidia technology from 2015 is blowing my mind right now.
James Scott
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Seems like Wii U+ specs when portable and ~3x Wii U when docked?
Unless I've read that incorrectly.
Unless I've read that incorrectly.
lyrick
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256(cores) * 2(floating point instructions per clock) * 0.3072 (GHz frequency) = 0.157 TF or 157.3 GF
and
256(cores) * 2(floating point instructions per clock) * 0.768 (GHz frequency) = 0.393 TF or 393GF
got it, I think I was just halving the 768 since 307.2 is just an odd number.
shadow2810
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No 2nd screen though.
It's impossible for Switch to be new Vita without Nepnep and Atelier.
If numbers are speaking Vita had much more third party games than 3DS. But 3DS got the bigger games.
I honestly think this might be a good move from Nintendo, to position the Switch more as a portable device than as a home console, or at the very least, make it so that the home console aspect comes along as a trojan horse. Nintendo was never going to get the AAA third party titles anyway, and they are so far behind the curve in aspects such as online play and general OS/interface functionality that it would be stupid to try to compete with the home consoles. They need a good chunk of the 3DS/DS crowd to jump on board quickly for the switch to gain momentum. I think a low price point is crucial for that to happen, as well as decent battery life. If they have to half ass something about the console, it shouldnt be the portability of it, since its their best shot at success. It seems like a lot of the unrealistic expectations came from the people who thought of the Switch as a PS4/Xbox One competitor, which i think would be a bad idea.
The 3ds has sold 65 million, the switch wont even crack 15, so you make a hybrid which has the same strenghts as the platforms where you are historically the strongest, and hopefully kickstart the home console aspect through that.
In short, it better be 199 dollars.
The 3ds has sold 65 million, the switch wont even crack 15, so you make a hybrid which has the same strenghts as the platforms where you are historically the strongest, and hopefully kickstart the home console aspect through that.
In short, it better be 199 dollars.
DeuceGamer
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Clocks are obviously lower than most expected. Not sure why this would require a fan in the handheld?
Do we know anything about the CPU cores, Ram Bandwidth/bus, or how many SM's the GPU has in the final hardware? I believe the article and video mentioned that the clocks are set for launch hardware, but they only showed info on the stock X1 in regards to the CPU and GPU configurations.
Do we know anything about the CPU cores, Ram Bandwidth/bus, or how many SM's the GPU has in the final hardware? I believe the article and video mentioned that the clocks are set for launch hardware, but they only showed info on the stock X1 in regards to the CPU and GPU configurations.
lwilliams3
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It is over 10x the Vita while undocked.
When you're on a train, the Switch is considerably more powerful than a PS4.
But perhaps this is a damning comment on today's market, that the bottom line is about pure graphical prowess - regardless of light power draws, small form factor or portability. You see the same in threads about gaming laptops - "my huge desktop tower is considerably cheaper than this"...
Sure, because the other boxes are selling so well.
That market has shrunk so much and why on earth would any of those people who already own such a box now hop on board with the Nintendo PS4 Pro? Why do some many think it would guarantee western support? It's an even riskier gamble than this is and it's pretty simple to see how it would turn out.
EDIT: Oh an one more thing, now they get to price the Switch at impulse buy territory.
These phones will play Nintendo Switch games?
In the end of the day, the value lies in the software/games and Nintendo is a master of his own craft.
I loled
LordOfChaos
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A hypothetical 8 core A57 at that clock speed wouldn't make the quoted statement true. Nor would even an A72. It's pretty hard to stretch a hypothetical to "NX CPU >>>>>>>>> XBO CPU" at 1GHz. A72 is faster per core per clock, but not so much to make up such a clock speed gulf.
Unless it's something unconventional like Denver 2.
But that would throw several more questions into the performance equation, Denver 1 had some issues.
I think it's funny that people are crapping on Nintendo for releasing a low specced system, but we are coming off a fall where AAA games are bombing big time in sales. This push for raw horse power is raising dev costs and sales are going down.
I think the whole industry is getting too power hungry for its own good. This is not me being an apologist because graphics on a Nintendo is one of my lower priorities. There's a reason why 3DS was my most played system this year over my PS4 and Xbox One S.
popsicle_sundays
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I guess this really puts into question 3rd party support going forward. I can see it being really successful as a handheld (which is all I wanted!) but I do wonder about ports down the line with the Pro and Scorpio around, will it end up just like the Wii U? I hope not.
On the flip side if it's treated as a true 3ds successor it can be pretty damn successful.
On the flip side if it's treated as a true 3ds successor it can be pretty damn successful.
TwilightPrincess
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Why not? it isn't weaker than the Wii U CPU. And it runs @ the same clockspeed mobile and docked. And the GPU should be stronger than Wii U too in mobile mode.
It can outperform a Wiiu in mobile mode. Clock comparison means little when the system has far new and much better tech. Maxwell is way better than the old R7XX series in the WiiU. Also the CPU is much better than the power PC.
Those games don't chug on low end computers. Why would they chug on this? Only reason would be bad optimization. The Wii U itself could already run those games well
If the developers supported that platform. These specs are > Wii U.
I honestly am not sure what the big deal is.
Nintendo screwed the pooch with marketing if these are the specs. Calling it a home console. That brings expectations.
But as a handheld, this is really good and the best handheld to home tv setup out there, since the console gets more powerful that way.
I'm okay with it, though I wish there was a magic button to wrap a Xbox One into a portable form with good battery.
MAX PAYMENT
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I am completely blown away that people saw the Switch announcement trailer and still expected performance to rival x1/ps4.
Hmm. Too much of this still doesn't make sense for me to draw any real conclusion. Clock speeds alone aren't telling the whole story.
That CPU, as written, would struggle with WiiU ports.
I mean to take this at face value would mean we are throwing other reliable sources information completely out the window (Matt, LCGeek, LKD).
Not to mention we have seen Zelda BoTW, an impressive WiiU title, running noticibly better on Switch...
Still, I'm not surprised that this article is being taken as irrefutable fact already
That CPU, as written, would struggle with WiiU ports.
I mean to take this at face value would mean we are throwing other reliable sources information completely out the window (Matt, LCGeek, LKD).
Not to mention we have seen Zelda BoTW, an impressive WiiU title, running noticibly better on Switch...
Still, I'm not surprised that this article is being taken as irrefutable fact already
Really, the CPU at this point it's an even bigger issue than the GPU for any kind of ports. How will this emulate Gamecube for VC?
Cid Highwind
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DBZ power levels?
That's pretty disappointing. I guess temps even at those lower clock speeds is still an issue.
BotW did run at a smooth 30fps on Jimmy Fallon so it can't be all that bad since the Wii U couldn't, but yeah that is a far cry from what was expected.
They going to have to really wow people in Jan with this device.
BotW did run at a smooth 30fps on Jimmy Fallon so it can't be all that bad since the Wii U couldn't, but yeah that is a far cry from what was expected.
They going to have to really wow people in Jan with this device.
Just wait for the next mainline Pokémon be in Switch to know it will be the 3DS successor. Before the people will be denial about this xD
Zombie James
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People at the time had reasonable expectations when it was in docked mode. Gimped Android TV box from 2015 wasn't it.
Only way for any of the big three to have a powerful enough platform is making a digital store front for PC. I think for Switch they need to prioritize good price and battery life. Yeah it's being marketed as a home console which you might think is a mistake but it needs to excel as a portable system too. That said still waiting for next month before passing down the judgement. Personally if I have Wii U level graphics on-the-go that's good enough.
LelouchZero
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Yeah something like that,
Yeah.
You do realize that both the 750Ti and the Switch have Maxwell architecture right?
If you can compare a 750 Ti to consoles then you can do the same for the Switch.
Given the ~150GFLOP/s reference number as good when in portable mode that makes the normal ps4, the non-pro version, more than 10 times better in computational power than Nintendo's next generation with the Xbox One being roughly 9 times faster.
It's somewhat comparable but comparing gigaflops across two different architectures can be inaccurate, that's what I was getting at.
A GPU with a higher number of gflops can perform worse than one with less gflops, like how the Fury X which is a 8.6TF GPU is often outperformed by the 6.3TF 980 Ti.
Memorabilia
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You should care. If the Switch is severely underpowered it'll lack 3rd party support and end up as Wii U 2.0. I doubt Nintendo wants that and neither should you. The specs here are worrisome.
I would have expected them to reach at least 800gflops. Of course a mobile system would not rival the xbone. But isn't even on par with the tegra x1. That is why everyone is mad.
The Hermit
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Called it. The difference between dock vs portable IS significant, so there will be "console exclusive" games. The low frame rate in the Zelda demo made me suspicious.
Oh Nintendo... There's always a catch with you
Called it. The difference between dock vs portable IS significant, so there will be "console exclusive" games. The low frame rate in the Zelda demo made me suspicious.
Oh Nintendo... There's always a catch with you
LincleSirius
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Playing Nintendo games only, not too care about it.
But I guess that means backlash? =/
Still I think switch can still produce some rather fine graphics, Mariokart 8 looks pretty impressive to me.
But I guess that means backlash? =/
Still I think switch can still produce some rather fine graphics, Mariokart 8 looks pretty impressive to me.
Did you expect sub-Tegra X1 performance?
(Although I will take rumors/leaks with a grain of salt for now.)
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