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[watershed]

Makes me curious about 3rd party ports thiugh they were probably never in the cards anyway. As long as 1st party support is amazing the Switch will be worth it for me.

 

[Durante]

So how did Nvidia spend all those reported man hours designing the chips in this thing ??????

As I predicted when that statement was made, they are probably simply counting all their man-hours that went into Tegra X1, not specifically into Switch.

 

[Dekuboy]

That wasn't Eurogamer lol

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-04-mother-3-will-finally-get-western-release-report

That's according to a couple of sources close to Nintendo, who have shared the word via Twitter and Reddit.

Separately, Eurogamer has heard the same thing.

nah thanks I like to stop believing any of these rumors. No rogers, no eurogamer. Laura was kinda right but even this could be a shot in the dark. I will wait until January and if there are any games I like to play I will buy it.

 

[Peltz]

Vita was a leap over PS2, Xbox and Gamecube. A Vita 2 would be over PS3 and 360. This isn't(when undocked).

That's fucking pathetic.

 

[NotLiquid]

That wasn't Eurogamer lol

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-04-mother-3-will-finally-get-western-release-report

Separately, Eurogamer has heard the same thing. I was told the release is finally happening - via Wii U Virtual Console - to celebrate Mother 3's 10th anniversary of release in Japan.

 

[GHG]

Stronger than vita and Wii U.

5.5 times as powerful undocked, 14 times docked.

Edit: assuming it has the exact same innards as a Tegra X1 chip.

Cool, that's good enough for me since I see this device as more of a handheld.

The software side of things will ultimately determine whether I get one or not.

 

[Caelus]

Exactly what i said, Nintendo would be targeting Wii U level of graphics and that's why all the games they've shown are almost identical to the Wii U versions.

We've only seen off-screen, simulated footage of potential Switch games. The only Switch game we've actually seen is Zelda, which was shown off-screen on a projector and was developed as a Wii U game first.

We don't really have any idea how Switch games will look compared to Wii U, all we know is that the former is stronger.

 

[eaise]

Digital Foundry is a solid source.

And the sources that say the Switch is going to be around XBone power have been right about every single detail of the Switch.

So I'll wait till January to decide if it's too weak or not. Almost everyone in this thread is freaking out about a rumor that probably isn't even true.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

I see a lot of lazy developers utilizing the mobile mode for games and not even bothering with the higher clock speeds of docked mode.

Are you saying Nintendo are lazy devs? Because according to a lot of posts third parties aren't going to bother after a few token launch-period games.

 

[phanphare]

Rock solid...oh yeah that´s right! Brb playing the localized mother 3...

there have been rumors since then that say Mother 3 is still a thing it was just put on the shelf for the time being

 

[bachikarn]

Lol, Nintendo always finds a way coming lower than even conservative expectations.

 

[Meffer]

The 3DS was being compared to the Vita in terms of power and look what did better? As with everything the games matter.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Isn't the iPhone still a 750p screen?

Which is annoying enough, but 750p on 4.7" is a far higher pixel per inch ratio than 720p on 6.2"

(also remember viewable area is squared, far larger difference than 6.2-4.7 inches)

It's a custom chip why are we assuming gflop counts of the standard tx1?

Because though the SoC is custom, the GPU architecture will lead to the same Gflop count on paper.

Clock speed x shader cores x 2 operations per core per cycle.

 

[pswii60]

So how did Nvidia spend all those reported man hours designing the chips in this thing ??????

Have you never seen a Nvidia press conference? They're good at hyping things and talking man hours.

 

[KingSnake]

I guess that means that the BG&E 2 rumoured is the actual PS360 game ported.

 

[_woLf]

This thing better be extremely low priced with specs like that tbh.

 

[phanphare]

Laura said she was probably wrong on that. There is no aditional fan in the dock, at least not in the patent for switch.

oh ok, never mind then I missed that update

 

[18-Volt]

*giggles* Someone is really salty and on top of that not really paying attention to the Nintendo releases. ;3

Oh I paid attention alright. Yet I got disappointment after another: Mario Tennis, Animal Crossing Amiibo Party, Starfox Zero, Yoshi's Woolly World, Paper Mario Color Splash...

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Vita was a leap over PS2, Xbox and Gamecube. A Vita 2 would be over PS3 and 360. This isn't(when undocked).

Vita Specs are not far away from the original Xbox in raw power, it punched above it's weight, that is all. The Switch will probably too. You could make this thing stronger, yes, a bit, but not without cooling in a even smaller formfactor. You are too far in the future with your expectations for mobile hardware for gaming cases.

 

[The_Dama]

EAs game is X360 version of Fifa

 

[Steph_E.]

It takes 500 man years to downlock a chip didn't you know?

It's probably featuring several customization we don't know what any of them are though. I'm still not convinced its using 256 CUDA cores.

You can spend all kinds of dumb time on making crap.

I am expecting the next leak to say it runs by clockwork. I can see the advert now - "Unlimited mobile power on the go, no need to charge the batteries, just a quick flick of the wrist to wind the key".

 

[jroc74]

Vita was a leap over PS2, Xbox and Gamecube. A Vita 2 would be over PS3 and 360. This isn't(when undocked).

 

[TunaLover]

So how did Nvidia spend all those reported man hours designing the chips in this thing ??????

Have you seen the device unit size? Also it's extremely thin, have a fan inside, probably won't run hot and have space to fit a nice battery, and consume low electricity. It's notable in the way that Nintendo is heading the system.

 

[Mpl90]

IIRC, Nvidia flops are "stronger" than AMD ones (at least, I remember it appeared as such in several comparisons). Not that this alone makes it on par with One, but still

 

[TAS]

Guys..the article is comparing directly to an X1. Is this confirmed? I thought the Switch was using a custom chip?

 

[DragonSworne]

Nintendo: "Hey Nvidia, what do you have for us?"

Nvidia: "We got this hardware that will be perfect for you! It's all ready to go too, no need for extra work!"

Nintendo: "Great, make it weaker and we will take 10 million orders!"

 

[Memento]

The 3DS was being compared to the Vita in terms of power and look what did better? As with everything the games matter.

3DS didnt have PS4/Pro and Xbox One/Scorpio as competitors.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Ayup.

This is why I think anything above 300gflops on whatever nvidia part in the thing should be applauded.

If it's above 600gflops? Nintendo isn't fucking around.

We'll see, but even my meager WiiU expectation of a 640gflop gpu was about 500gflops over what they went with. So... expect the worse. This is Nintendo we're talking about.

Hmmm.

While I wanted the optimistic to be true.

I had my suspicions.

Still insanely powerful handheld.

And comparing to a phone is asinine. No phone is going to dedicate even 50% of its capability to a game.

 

[GinoFelino]

As I predicted when that statement was made, they are probably simply counting all their man-hours that went into Tegra X1, not specifically into Switch.

That's a bit too soon to call though, right?

There's a lot of stuff we don't know for certain yet.

 

[novabolt]

So, the Switch is around 1TFlops in power or am I reading the article wrong?

 

[killroy87]

I can play a game like Breath of the Wild on a handheld. Powerful enough for me.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Any good posts in here so far? I honestly can't believe Nintendo would stick with 20nm. I thought it was a dead node. Just goes to show how off all the analyses we read online can be.

 

[Peltz]

So when docked, do people think this will allow for 1080p visuals on games that ran in 720p on the Wii U?

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but I would be fine with that same level of detail at 1080p.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Wtf is wrong with y'all. 199 is where this needs to be! This is great news. I think it needs to even be lower, honestly. A portable Wii U isn't so bad and this is probably more modern than that.

The 3ds launched at 250. You expect this thing, with its tech, a dock, and Joycon controller thing to sell for 50 less?

Right.....

 

[Prevolition]

I'm seriously considering waiting for the first Switch refresh/variation that focuses on actually being a home console. One can dream, right?

 

[jett]

As I predicted when that statement was made, they are probably simply counting all their man-hours that went into Tegra X1, not specifically into Switch.

I think it's unbelievable people actually thought otherwise.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

I hope they do because I can't see myself buying this at $199 with these specs and in Australian that's ~AU$350. Considering I cant get an Xbox One S with games for less than AU$300, Ugh.

Yeah that's about what's running through my head about now, feels like it's going be priced too high no matter what

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Please have G-Sync at least in portable mode please have G-Sync please have G-Sync please have G-Sync please have G-Sync please have G-Sync please have G-Sync please have G-Sync.

That would be cool, but this is Nintendo here. They'll build Switches using the cheapest components they can get at the time.

 

[Kimawolf]

Wow 30 pages in a few hours. I think folks need to relax. Even if you believe this article, it cites another erroneous article which says Switch will be as powerful as XB1.

And the article itself says they have no imformation on chips or customization. So people, calm down.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

And the sources that say the Switch is going to be around XBone power have been right about every single detail of the Switch.

So I'll wait till January to decide if it's too weak or not. Almost everyone in this thread is freaking out about a rumor that probably isn't even true.

You asked and I answered. There's no reason to believe this "probably" isn't true.

 

[mrklaw]

So I suppose Nintendo are willing to forefo any meaningful jump over wiiU for the docked mode, and are betting on the handheld being a big jump as the selling point, and wanting to move to a single platform. That means hitting the reset button and this first result will be relatively poor from anyone who mainly wants a home console.

 

[KingSnake]

People talking about price are not getting it. Clock speed has almost nothing to do with price. The impact it makes on price is much more due to the size of the battery needed, so if anything this could mean we have a smaller battery and a slightly lower price, but just because it is far weaker than we thought doesn't mean it will be cheaper.

With this specs it's a console way less powerful than Nvidia Shield TV and a handheld way less powerful than a Nvidia Shield Tablet. Both being $200. Of course the price matters when the perceived value needs to be there, not only to cover the costs like with Wii U.

 

[Peltz]

The 3ds launched at 250. You expect this thing, with its tech, a dock, and Joycon controller thing to sell for 50 less?

Right.....

I do think Nintendo is shooting for dirt cheap this gen after the way things went last gen. So yes, I think they're shooting for at least the same launch price as 3DS (if not cheaper).

 

[bomblord1]

Which is annoying enough, but 750p on 4.7" is a far higher pixel per inch ratio than 720p on 6.2"

(also remember viewable area is squared, far larger difference than 6.2-4.7 inches)




Because though the SoC is custom, the GPU architecture will lead to the same Gflop count on paper.

Clock speed x shader cores x 2 operations per core per cycle.

Why are assuming the same cores?

 

[lensoftruth]

Something is off here, then.

If non-docked mode is running at 307 mhz, and that's supposed to more powerful than Wii-U, then wouldn't docked mode, running at 768 mhz be several times more powerful than Wii-U?

Yes

 

[BRocknRolla]

So how does this line up with the Dark Souls 3 rumor? Any know if it's possible to get DS3 running on a PC with a similar gflop count?

Ha, as soon as folks are over the shock, I'd love to consider the actual ramifications.

 

[Oblivion]

Wait, I'm even more confused.

Xbone's GPU is 800 mhz, and PS4's is 853 mhz.

I know clock speeds aren't everything, but a custom Nvidia chip at 768 mhz should be pretty close to those consoles performance, shouldn't it?

 

[jroc74]

IIRC, Nvidia flops are "stronger" than AMD ones (at least, I remember it appeared as such in several comparisons). Not that this alone makes it on par with One, but still

Wait, I'm even more confused.

Xbone's GPU is 800 mhz, and PS4's is 853 mhz.

I know clock speeds aren't everything, but a custom Nvidia chip at 768 mhz should be pretty close to those consoles performance, shouldn't it?

That might be the only saving grace for this.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Makes me curious about 3rd party ports thiugh they were probably never in the cards anyway. As long as 1st party support is amazing the Switch will be worth it for me.

Dragon Quest 11 was reconfirmed today for switch. Souls 3 running on Switch. But i wouldn't expect games like Witcher 3 or GTA 6.

 

[Auron]

Basically a next-gen Vita then? I'm okay with that.