Skittzo0413
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It's actually the only reason I'm holding on to a bit of hope when it comes to SoC configuration. A fan would absolutely not be required for the specs DF is working with.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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It's actually the only reason I'm holding on to a bit of hope when it comes to SoC configuration. A fan would absolutely not be required for the specs DF is working with.
PeterLegend
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So youre telling me this lines up with Nintendo hardware of the past 10 years and it llays nintendo games.
The part that would concern me would be 3rd party publishers puttting "current" games on a substantially weaker platform....
The part that would concern me would be 3rd party publishers puttting "current" games on a substantially weaker platform....
Super Mario Maker deserves a spot in that list. As does Yoshi's Wooly World, Super Smash Bros, and Pikmin 3.
Pikmin 3 is literally one of the best games Nintendo has ever made. And to say that Smash Bros isn't one of their most important games on the system... well... you're not really being fair.
I'm not trying to kick the can further down the road, but there is always a possibility we're getting more than what's being reported here. These are still rumors, Dale only heard this from one of her sources, not all. It's likely these are the specs, but as some of you mentioned From apparently being cool with DKS3 performance on Switch, it leaves the question if they also mean in portable mode as well.
guybrushfreeman
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I don't really agree. The Wii U was very poor coming off of their biggest success, if that counts as their exit then I don't personally feel like it was a graceful one
So it is a console only for Nintendo fans? How is that reasonable?
I audibly laughed. Haha.
Vita was downclocked so dramatically for (likely) the same reason Switch is. Battery drain. Neither is pushing thermal envelopes even if they were higher clocked, the issue is getting 3+ hours out of them.
Pjsprojects
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Nintendo stung me once with Wiiu and now this thing is looking like a dud.
Not for me thanks.
Not for me thanks.
LordOcidax
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Thanx, numbers are ok. I expected at least 700Gflops when docked.
It's disappointing but expected, Nintendo not interested in the power game. Though this is a punch in the gut to those hoping Nintendo would compete this time with power. Curious to see how long before third parties cite technical reasons to drop support.
I'll still get one for Nintendo games.
I'll still get one for Nintendo games.
Vulcano's assistant
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Oh wow that's quite a jump. I'm already ready for The New Switch.
OrbitalBeard
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The world is full of Nintendo fans. When Nintendo makes affordable hardware with good software, people buy it. When they make a Wii U, people run in the other direction.
To me, there's far more room in the marketplace for Switch over something like Xbox One.
Yup. And interestingly it was probably engineered the exact opposite way;
It's difficult not to think of the dock as 'bumping up' the handheld experience. But that would be next to impossible to model if you wanted to guarantee a 720p to 1080p jump.
The only logical way to do it (outside of brute forcing it up) is to look at it the other way around and provide a calculated jump down in spec which will guarantee your 1080p 'developed-to-the-theoretical-metal' game will run the same but at 720p.
Specs aside, its a really interesting solution to the design spec.
because it's a Nintendo console?
Ok before I make the mistake of reacting to something that sounds really bad again let's be completely clear here
You're just talking about Nintendo's usual market and not actually saying that it straight up isn't capable of running Battlefield 1, right?
What about CPU clock speed though
... Because why the fuck else would you buy a Nintendo console?
The only reason to buy a Nintendo console since the N64 is to play first party Nintendo games. It certainly isn't better for multi-plat, and there are few if any compelling reasons to make a game strictly for a Nintendo console. It's been that way for years, why would it change now?
LordRaptor
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I think the possibility of anyone releasing "docked mode only" games is close to zero, and you're literally looking at the machine from completely the wrong perspective.
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I actually think its the exact opposite; titles will be designed for 'portable' mode first (and hopefully at 720p, because non-native resolution with a fixed screen is sort of crappy), and when docked you get basically a supersampling boost with higher geometry but identical shadows / reflections / VFX.
Going the other way round doesn't make much sense as you'll get frame drops / jitter / slowdown / tearing as the device literally cannot handle the frame information
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I actually think its the exact opposite; titles will be designed for 'portable' mode first (and hopefully at 720p, because non-native resolution with a fixed screen is sort of crappy), and when docked you get basically a supersampling boost with higher geometry but identical shadows / reflections / VFX.
Going the other way round doesn't make much sense as you'll get frame drops / jitter / slowdown / tearing as the device literally cannot handle the frame information
JoshuaJSlone
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Nintendo doesn't provide shipment data going back to GB's early years, so the first figures we have for it are 54m shipped after 8 years and 64m after 9 years. So 3DS is well above that, but it's a pretty low bar compared to what came in the following decade.MacTag said:
Not everybody who knows things is going to be in the group actually coding for Switch or reading the latest devkit docs.
Wii U got a solid 1st party commitment and that seems to be parlaying directly to their hybrid. Compared to other hardware exits it's pretty seamless and smart.
More like 720p vs 1080p with possibly a bit better details for Nintendo games. No clue about tp.
The CPU is the same in both modes. I don't think so the framerate will change too much between modes.
RichiRamjag
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Even the specs folks thought it would be didn't indicate them competing with power, they somehow managed to go lower than those expectations.
I don't even mind first party support mainly, but they can't do it the way they did on Wii U. They need to get those games moving. Take advantage of all their major franchises.
I think obsessing over specs is valid for a new Nintendo system. Poor specs means poor third-party support. Poor third-party support can mean poor sales.
I'm sure Nintendo's games will be fine - they probably don't want to add more polygons to Mario's moustache. But low specs means that supporting the platform will fall almost entirely on Nintendo's shoulders. I'm sure they're capable - the support the Wii U saw combined with the support the 3DS saw could probably sustain a console.
I won't expect that. The thing is what it is. For a portable device I think is enough. Console mode is another thing.
Nvidia Flops brings the 393 GFLOPS to 512 AMD equivalent (4:3 ratio in favour of Nvidia) roughly. Theoretical FP16 would mean 1024 GFLOPS or 1 TFLOP, but in practice getting even 25% boost over FP32-only should be hard to achieve.
ViewtifulJC
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How many Wii U's taped together is the Switch
Colonel Mustard
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I'm not a spec guy at all, but I attempt to follow these threads. I've come to learn that there are some posters that are a pretty safe bet to ignore. Dragonsworne, Malo and a few others don't really know anything tech-wise (though to be fair, most on this forum don't either) and proceed to post in the most hyperbolic, nonsensical fasion ever. A good, real life, analog would be one of those homeless people, that clearly need mental health counseling or some form of institutionalization, on the street corner shouting about the end times. If they're posting, it's best to ignore or have a laugh.
Blu is a good user to follow. He (or she) does a pretty good job at putting tech speak in to layman's terms for people like you and myself.
LOL, okay. I just used something for a quick reaction. Sorry that went over your head and you were instead offended by the 'quality.' I did not realize we had such gif snobs, but I can't say I am surprised. Anyway, moving on from the digression.
calc84maniac
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Did you even read the OP? CPU is clocked the same in both modes.
AtomicShroom
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Hahahahaha! Dude this is Nintendo we're talking about here! It's going to be 249.99 or 299.99.
That's how your post reads. Maybe I didn't read far enough back in your conversation. If so apologies.
But again, third party support for their devices has been shit for generations now.
I don't really know why anyone thought that this console was going to be a powerhouse. All indications suggested the opposite.
Yea it being a Vita 2 should be seen as a good thing.
I really think for folks to not be disappointed they should look at it as a handheld. That connects to a TV.
gate stormer
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I really don't give a shit about specs as long as the games look decent and are fun.
Anyone expecting extreme specs on this were setting themselves up for major dissappointment.
My main curiosity at this point is more info on the new Mario game and what version (or somewhere inbetween?) it is getting of Dragon Quest 11.
Anyone expecting extreme specs on this were setting themselves up for major dissappointment.
My main curiosity at this point is more info on the new Mario game and what version (or somewhere inbetween?) it is getting of Dragon Quest 11.
Indeed. This is Nintendo we're talking about and portable is one of the main keys of this device.
JoshuaJSlone
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Resolution is the simpler, since an increased frame rate is going to use more CPU resources, and that's something that apparently doesn't change when docked.
Father_Brain
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The entire USP for the system is that it offers the same experience docked or undocked. It makes no sense at all to allow games that only function in one mode.
GodfatherX
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Only if Crytek can afford to pay their employees to make it
Basically. The discussions become incredibly toxic, and it isn't really possible to avoid only these topics because people's moods about this stuff seeps into every god damn discussion about everything Switch-related.
Watch 90% of discussions until around six months after launch be about the system's specs and performance, or lack thereof.
I just hope they are not graphically imparing the PS4 version of DQXI and other upcoming multi platform games so that it also runs great on the Switch with just minor graphical losses. :/
Had hoped cross gen was a thing of the past.
A little disappointed. As I was expecting 300-500(docked). But I'll manage. It looks to match the wiiu in portable, and double it when docked. And completely demolishes the 3ds, which I loved. :3
Two things that I hope for:
Every game should be developed with the handheld performance in mind. I don't want to have a severely degraded experience by devs focusing on the docked version.
Price, please be $199. I really can't justify paying $300.
Two things that I hope for:
Every game should be developed with the handheld performance in mind. I don't want to have a severely degraded experience by devs focusing on the docked version.
Price, please be $199. I really can't justify paying $300.
Ok, but Nintendo loyal fanbase isnt enought to keep a console afloat. No fanbase alone can. This will be Nintendo's only hardware and the biggest revenue source for the next years.
They need to attract a lot more than just their fanbase to the console.
Isnt that why Wii is considered a commercial sucess and Wii U, N64 and Gamecube not?
RichiRamjag
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I think people already had low expectations and Nintendo managed to go even lower than that. I'm not sure why some of you are acting like people thought it was going to be a powerhouse.
From being cool with performance isn't a measure of something good.
Edit: and as with every Nintendo console since the GC the Switch will be technically lacking (which mostly affects third party ports) and more expensive than people hope for. I don't get why people are surprised by this still. Just look at the 3DS and WiiU rumor threads, it's the same discussions repeating.
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