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[facetheslayer92]

This fucking hyperbole is disgusting as fuck.
When we saw the first video of the Switch everybody was happy and at least everybody thought we would get a portable Wii U and that would be a pretty big leap over the 3DS.
The fans were happy with what they saw im the reveal trailer but suddenly everything is shit because of some specs, outside of NeoGAF nobody cares for. Thats the problem with some of you. You guys think the peoplr in the real world would care for such stuff...but they only care for games. If they lool good, then they will accept the device. And Nintendo is in the position to sell a weak home console as a fucking strong handheld. Well one side would always be dissapointed but that some of you are not capable of thinking like an adult is very strange to say the least.
Nintendo has showed the concept and that actually sold many people on the console...
And if they create some hype at january 13th this thing will sell well and Mario have never been running around on a Playstation, where the audience for such kind of games isnt there anyway.

This post hurts to read.

 

[GhostTrick]

Or we're just missing something. That's honestly how I feel. We have reports on both hands that go against each other, but I doubt anyone is wrong. Eurogamer is very reliable, and so are LKD/Emily Rogers/Matt. So...we're all missing something that would explain everything.

Or maybe it's just a well scalable game and that FS aims for a lower framerate and even lower graphical fidelity ?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

720p* 30fps.

Not while docked.

 

[aBarreras]

And I was thinking "Wow what if we get FFXV on NS!" hahah. That game can barely run on the X1... Oh well. At least this will be a very powerful handheld and as long as the Switch version of BotW runs at locked 30fps I'm good. At least is a bit more powerful than Wii U, right?

So now with this specs, there's no way Nintendo will price it higher than $300. This system has $200 to $250 price tag written all over it. There could be a $299 but that could be probably a bundle with the Switch Pro controller or a game.

the last i hear is that ffxv runs better on x1

 

[platina]

Stop complaining about hardware from Nintendo. It's all about games.

If you want a technical powerhouse, buy a PC. Even PS4 Pro does not match it, yet people buy buy buy without complaining.

But when it comes to Nintendo, it seems the hive mind is just crazy.

IF there are not good exclusives, then we will have a problem. Until then, I don't mind paying less for what will be a cool hybrid IMO.

PS4 pro has 3rd party though. Guaranteed

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

Nintendo are such a joke. Just get out of the hardware business already. I'm sure this thing will have a tiny battery and all kinds of build quality issues, too.

Stick to NES Classic style toys and let the big boys handle real consoles.

But it isn't a console clearly.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

My expectations were already so low but this is just wow.

Nintendo just scraped through the bottom of the barrel and found a cut-down Tegra X1 underneath..

 

[orioto]

All I know is I have no problem with games that look like this, which will look and run even better on Switch:

So I'll be on board at some point, regardless of the spec numbers.

With those leaks, are we still sure the portable form is as powerful as the WiiU ?
I read from someone here the docked switch would be 50% more powerful than a WiiU. But the portable is less than half as powerful than the docked switch..

Wouldn't that give us :
_WiiU = 100
_Switch docked = 150
_Switch portable = 75

?
I'm just asking.

It just seems everyone in all those threads always seems so certain about everything, like the third parties, like the way more powerful Switch.. They never let any doubt in their hopes.. It's time to be realistic.

And no, the footage at Fallon didn't show if the game was the same, upgraded OR downgraded from WiiU when portable. We can't say anything.

 

[Genio88]

Breaking news, looks like Switch has a hidden GPU inside, a Tegra K1 which will run in sli with the X1, putting Switch in the 600GFloos range

 

[Chindogg]

It's not since the PS4 Pro is 399$.

And specs do matter when it comes to specific builds of game engines. Imagine the IQ downgrade they will have to do for dragon quest 11, or any other third party game. Imagine how Neir would run on switch. Which currently can't make it's 60 fps target consistently and runs at 900p on OG PS4.

DQ11 isn't even that visually impressive. It'll lose some IQ but really isn't going to be much.

Neir might work depending on optimization. We'll have to see.

PS4 pro has 3rd party though. Guaranteed

And Switch will most likely get the 3rd party games from 3DS and Vita developers.

 

[bomblord1]

Breaking news, looks like Switch has a hidden GPU inside, a Tegra K1 which will run in sli with the X1, putting Switch in the 600GFloos range

Or they could just add an additional SM

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.

I read from someone here the docked switch would be 50% more powerful than a WiiU. But the portable is less than half as powerful than the docked switch..

If the GPU is run at 40% speed in portable-mode, that doesn't mean that the portable system is 40% the power of the docked switch, because you still have the more modern architecture, more RAM, faster CPU, etc. The GPU speed drop is primarily due to the drop in target resolution - in portable mode, the system only has to target 720p, whereas in home mode, it's targeting 1080p.

 

[blue_phazon]

Wow the rumours were true!! It's a modified x1!!

...modified to be less powerful.

Good god Nintendo

 

[Hilarion]

It really does sound great. :3
I know a lot of people are against ports, but I would love to see the top wiiu games get ported. Really love portable gaming.

Now that we know the specs. Can the switch emulate the 3ds? Would be nice to get bc for the digital copies. Even if it means paying an upgrade fee, and waiting a year for Nintendo to develop an emulation solution.

Expect the usual amount of "We are committed to developing for the new Nintendo console" press releases, followed up with none of these publisher's biggest games.

Man, Nintendo hasn't had proper 3rd party support since the SNES.

Sort of shocking they've made it this long without but also reinforces that they'll continue to do okay for themselves regardless.

At the end of the day, it's still the only place you'll be able to play a proper Zelda, Mario, etc. The only place where you can continue to hope for a new Metroid.

The DS (still my pick for best gaming system ever) had fantastic third party support, and the GBA was no slouch.

Why do people act like the handheld side (my primary gaming side) doesn't exist?

 

[uncle_koploski]

Or they could release expansion docks in the future?

Or Joy Cons that have processing power?

 

[platina]

But it isn't a console clearly.

If this is a handheld when is the console going to be announced?

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

Or they could just add an additional SM

Could someone explain what an "SM" is?

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

With Switch being so weak compared to the One/PS4 and Pro/Scorpio (obviously), will we see a new home console from Nintendo in one or two years?
/QUOTE]

No just a New Switch.

 

[jroc74]

Can someone please explain how this will be a developers dream for ports? Sounds more like a huge pain in the ass to me.

Porting something like Assassin's Creed Chronicles series.

Or current retail disc games with dialed back stuff.

Its all I can see now.

 

[Genio88]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.

Woah, after 41 pages someone figured out why Switch will be awesome beyond GFlops!

 

[Papacheeks]

DQ11 isn't even that visually impressive. It'll lose some IQ but really isn't going to be much.

Neir might work depending on optimization. We'll have to see.

Did you not see how great that game looks From the Fiesta footage last week? It's running on Unreal 4.

Looks gorgeous!

 

[Lonely1]

An iPod Touch 6g is $199 and has a lot of the same innards of Apple's flagship phones, so I wouldn't call that comparison completely out of touch.

Eh, it was one gen behind when it launched ans is weaker than the Switch worst projections.

 

[Chindogg]

Or they could release expansion docks in the future?

Or Joy Cons that have processing power?

Probably not going to happen. Switch might just be the first in a line of SKUs based on the NX platform, like phones and tablets.

Did you not see how great that game looks From the Fiesta footage last week? It's running on Unreal 4.

Looks gorgeous!

Lots of grass pop in and Toriyama's cartoony style makes it seem perfect for Switch's strengths and weaknesses.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

But it isn't a console clearly.

 

[Teletraan1]

This has become totally skewed by contracts and subsidies. People think a $700 phone costs $200 when actually with contracts they paid close to $900 for it over two years..

Expecting a $250 device to match that is foolish and unrealistic.

A lot of that cost is cramming everything into the form factor of a phone. A ipad with similar innards and a larger form factor is like $200. Same thing for Samsung tablets.

 

[bobbychalkers]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.

Pretty much what I expected from the get go.

 

[ironcreed]

It is still a nice boost over the Wii U, which is all I could realistically hope for from Nintendo. It will also no doubt have enough unique games to make it more than worth it beings that the handheld library will no longer be separate. That is the big win here, I think.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Are people seriously expecting this thing to cost $200 at launch? What did the base Wii U cost at launch? $300?

I'd imagine this starts at $300-$350. There's no way Nintendo sells it for a loss, and they have R&D costs to make up.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.

It'd be even stronger with this cool-looking indie RPG I've heard about.

 

[bomblord1]

Could someone explain what an "SM" is?

I think the easiest way to think of it is a bundle of CUDA cores it stands for streaming multiprocessor and consists of 64 CUDA CORES.

 

[Always-honest]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.

Hmn yeah. That is right.

 

[KingSnake]

Too bad the dream of 60fps BotW is dead.

At this point the dream of 1080p and AA at the same time might be dead. Or no framerate drops in explosions when in handheld mode.

 

[BotoxAgent]

This will be my go to portable for playing Nintendo classics, so I'll be happy

 

[asagami_]

Woah, after 41 pages someone figured out why Switch will be awesome beyond GFlops!

He said I always have thinked about the Switch ;_;

 

[Little Mons†er]

The delusional haters in this thread telling WINtendo to leave the industry due to weak hardware

WINtendo have it all set with this console. Breath of FRESH AIR will end all, new Mario will trounce the competition, PokeSléy Stars will also blow the competition. Nintendo isn't in a position of worrying, it's the haters who are and they can keep iT. Poor them who cant see the light.

 

[Papacheeks]

It is still a nice boost over the Wii U, which is all I could realistically hope for from Nintendo. It will also no doubt have enough unique games to make it more than worth it beings that the handheld library will no longer be separate. That is the big win here, I think.

Yea especially if it's at a much better price point. If rumors hold true and this thing is $ 250 I'm in day one.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Ugh this is why I hated the whole idea of a hybrid.

Too weak for a console, too big to be a true portable.

The better solution would have been a two consoles running the same OS and dev environment.

 

[Torokil]

All I know is I have no problem with games that look like this, which will look and run even better on Switch:

So I'll be on board at some point, regardless of the spec numbers.

I don't really care about the HW power too much, but the problem is is that 3rd parties are gonna dry up after launch and we'll be in drought territory soon enough.

I really hope that the Japanese devs view this as a 3DS/Vita successor and start releasing great games for it, but Sony's presence is too strong compared to passive ass Nintendo. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo loses Japanese 3rd parties as well, even if the Switch sells more than the PS4.

 

[Soroc]

Are people seriously expecting this thing to cost $200 at launch? What did the base Wii U cost at launch? $300?

I'd imagine this starts at $300-$350. There's no way Nintendo sells it for a loss, and they have R&D costs to make up.

Nintendo is going to have a hard time selling it for more then 250 regardless. I'm not biting unless its 200 or less.

They messaged this device as a home console first with portable aspects, if the rumor is true, its obvious its the complete opposite and I won't justify the high price tag again since I felt totally burned with the 3DS at launch.

 

[uncle_koploski]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.



If the GPU is run at 40% speed in portable-mode, that doesn't mean that the portable system is 40% the power of the docked switch, because you still have the more modern architecture, more RAM, faster CPU, etc. The GPU speed drop is primarily due to the drop in target resolution - in portable mode, the system only has to target 720p, whereas in home mode, it's targeting 1080p.

Console of forever, if true.

 

[blue_phazon]

The delusional haters in this thread telling WINtendo to leave the industry due to weak hardware

WINtendo have it all set with this console. Breath of FRESH AIR will end all, new Mario will trounce the competition, PokeSléy Stars will also blow the competition. Nintendo isn't in a position of worrying, it's the haters who are and they can keep iT. Poor them who cant see the light.

Now this here is a quality joke post

 

[jj984jj]

Wow, I can't believe they're trying to market this thing as a console. It's pretty clear they don't have plans for another at the moment with this machine, but are trying to see if they can sell console quality titles on a handheld. It really makes me curious about how they'll price games when they make a more handheld friendly SKU with this hardware, do they plan to try and sell all their software for $60?

Oh and this means most big third parties titles will obviously be missing like they usually are of course. You'll get some Japanese third party titles (the ones that can run on 3DS and Vita) and not much more.

 

[Genio88]

Are people seriously expecting this thing to cost $200 at launch? What did the base Wii U cost at launch? $300?

I'd imagine this starts at $300-$350. There's no way Nintendo sells it for a loss, and they have R&D costs to make up.

It has to be 149$ or bye bye Nintendo!
Seriously now, we already pretty much know the price, should be 249$ for base model and 299$ for the version with bigger storage and pack in game, all rumors pointed at that, same for a few retailers. And to me the price is pretty good

 

[ffdgh]

Are people seriously expecting this thing to cost $200 at launch? What did the base Wii U cost at launch? $300?

I'd imagine this starts at $300-$350. There's no way Nintendo sells it for a loss, and they have R&D costs to make up.

Doubt Nintendo wants/is crazy enough to repeat the wii u launch prices again...but hey anything is possible at this point lol.

 

[NSESN]

Ugh this is why I hated the whole idea of a hybrid.

Too weak for a console, too big to be a true portable.

The better solution would have been a two consoles running the same OS and dev environment.

My idea exavtly
To tell the truth i just wanted a dual screen handheld

 

[pinkurocket]

I would not call being able to play it on my TV with more power a gimmick. I would call it the main feature. It's the only reason I plan to buy one.

Yeah, but people were expecting performance on par with current home consoles, close to xbox one at least. So I was more comparing that spec-wise it's an evolution of a gaming handheld more than a home console. The word 'gimmick' is a bit overused, it's definitely a main feature of the Switch but so was motion controls with Wii and off-TV play with Wii U but people also consider those 'gimmicks'.

 

[Soroc]

Ugh this is why I hated the whole idea of a hybrid.

Too weak for a console, too big to be a true portable.

The better solution would have been a two consoles running the same OS and dev environment.

100% with you. Hated the idea of a hybrid this whole time. Loved the idea of a singular OS platform and you choose how you want to play your universal game on the platform of your desire.

 

[bomblord1]

It has to be 149$ or bye bye Nintendo!
Seriously now, we already pretty much know the price, should be 249$ for base model and 299$ for the version with bigger storage and pack in game, all rumors pointed at that, same for a few retailers. And to me the price is pretty good

How do we already know the price?

 

[InfiniteCombo]

It'd be even stronger with this cool-looking indie RPG I've heard about.

LOL, I see what you did there

 

[Lexxism]

Nintendo Switch should get:

Games developed by Nintendo (now all on one platform)
Games developed by 3DS developers
Games developed by Vita developers
Most big indie games (just look at how many indies the Vita & 3DS got despite being crippled power-wise)
Some games from Western 3rd party AAA developers

Unless the system bombs horribly, it should end up with one of the strongest libraries a Nintendo platform has ever seen.

Yup, having Nintendo games in 1 console makes it really attractive. It is just disappointing on the specs but that's fine for me.