outunderthestars
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Because it failed so badly that the system had a shorter lifespan and a smaller library than it should have had. It failed so badly that it appears that Nintendo is having retailers ship the systems back to them.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Because it failed so badly that the system had a shorter lifespan and a smaller library than it should have had. It failed so badly that it appears that Nintendo is having retailers ship the systems back to them.
To be fair, they kinda screwed the pooch with VC on Wii U in general. With NERD's new emulation as a standard, I'm hoping/expecting Switch's VC to be far more robust.
And we'll actually get Mother 3. Believe.
While I get what you're saying, comparing a PC release and how resources are distributed across various threads and loads to a console where the majority of resources are solely on running games really muddles this comparison. PS4 games look amazing despite having the specs of only a midranged PC, for example.
LordRaptor
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I'm not claiming SWITCH RUNS EVERYTHING NO PROBLEMS!
I'm claiming developers are going to target 'handheld mode' as their performance target, and that it is more likely that they will target native resolution for the only screen every Switch is guaranteed to have than take a game optimised for PS4 on a TV then drop it to 540p or less
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I mean, even if they decide they don't want to spend any time whatsoever on adjusting the settings from their For-TV-PS4-Build, they can still render geometry at native resolution, and use half quality shadows / lights / whatever
Well, rumor says From Soft had Dark Souls III running on Switch.
If that includes undocked, that seems pretty good.
... I have no idea, what you are talking about. Who is this Nintendo Person you talk about, he has to be some awesome Samurai Warrior. Maybe we should go back to business talk.
The accentilty idea of the WiiU wasn't bad, but they didn't found a clear focus point. People loved Off-TV-Play on on hand, but on the other Nintendot didn't came up with good ideas for the second screen.
With the Switch they now build on all the good parts of the WiiU and added all the features, that people missed with it. The Gamepad actually being handheld and multiple Gamepads interacting. On top of that they found more solutions and ideaa with the Joycons, which could create a lot of possibilities.
So this regard yes, the Switch is build on the Wii U. But as long as they build on the good ideas, there isn't anything bad with that.
And that is really something I don´t get.
Eventhough everyone talks about nvidia beeing supremes in the gpu market, they aren´t. Nvidia only has desktop / laptop gpus. AMD has mobile, desktop, laptop, console and cpus.
So that is the reason why I am so confused? You want to have a feet in the console market? Then you don´t fucking launch your own old chip and minimize its perfomance.
Plinko
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I'm a long-term Nintendo fan and would love to see them release more powerful hardware.
However, I'm also rational and realize they can't compete on that level with Sony/MS. Audience plays a major role in this. Nintendo is much better off going with a cheap pricepoint and weaker hardware.
Yes I agree with you but I guess this time around Nintendo have a much more modern architecture and with no real gimmick to account for. The developers might need to provide two different profiles for handheld or docked mode but as PS4/pro or soon X1/scorpio.
I think the strategy is the same with the switch or a hypothetical classic home console, Nintendo has to put money on the table to have games, (time)exclusive, pay for a strong support during at least the first year. This plus a strong first party lineup will attract customers. Then if the install base is sufficient, easy development or not the 3rd party support will come.
And if we believe Nvdia (I hope they are right) ports are easy to make.
My point was that the most demanding 3rd party games will run most probably at 720p docked and 540p in handheld mode, not that it wouldn't run at all.
All signs point to a bomb? Because people are upset/trolling about the specs? This is taking armchair analysis to a new level.
DragonSworne
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Nvidia flops, coding to the metal, extra fan, and super efficient OS.
Interfectum
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As of right now, aside from GAF freaking out over specs, there is nothing pointing to Switch bombing.
You think 150 gflops would be enough to run the most demanding third party game at 540p? That doesn't sound to bad.
herbchamberz
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My point wasn't that ALL 3rd party games will run at 540 on the tablet, just the ones that already push the PS4 to the limits to run at 1080p and even below.
And are you assuming that developers will start from the Switch version up or I misunderstand your point?
They'll probably cut details, i don't think 720p->540p helps that much and it would look horrendous upscaled. But let's take Skyrim as an example, something like this:
Xbox One= high details at 1080p
Switch docked= mid-low details at 720p
Switch portable= below low details (360 game with the new lighting) at 720p
should be doable without too many problems. I also really, really hope that Nintendo investigates the temporal filtering techniques that we've seen in some recent Ubisoft games, like R6 and Watch_Dogs 2 (and Sony's own checkerboard 4K). That would help performance immensely without sacrificing image quality too much. So maybe in the example above, Skyrim's 720p in portable mode would be checkerboarded, which is still better than 540p upscaled. I was even wondering if fp16 can be used for something like this, hopefully more tech savy people will chime in and clarify this.
Hey we don't know how many SM the thing have yet, right?
Software sales are on pace to match SNES or GBA lifetime and that's packaged software only. Cratered is a bit hyperbolic, 3DS is unquestionably a success despite it's declines.
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People have different tastes. Wii U is my least played console ever as I just didn't care for the library. Only Splatoon was something special for me. It didn't get a Metroid. It's not getting an exclusive Zelda, just a presumably inferior cross gen version at the end of its life. I found the Mario entries boring, especially 3D World. Mario Maker was alright, but too hard to find good levels and I didn't like making levels. I don't like action games like W101 or Bayonetta, don't like Pikmin. I got bored with Mario Kart and Smash generations ago. So many franchises they could have revived like FZero, Wave Race, 1080, Mother Startropics and console Animal Crossing etc. that they didn't.
Switch will have to show me a much more diverse lineup of games and genres to get me to bite, especially since I don't like the concept at all since I'm done with portable gaming. Otherwise it may be time to just admit that I no longer really care for Nintendo's offering despite starting gaming with the NES and having a couple shelves full of Amiibo. There's always emulation for scratching that itch anyway.
CPU is the major issue here in my opinion. I'm curious to see what devs will do about that.
Kssio_Aug
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They're in the business. I understand that's totally possible that they fail hard and has to stop producing hardware, but to be honest that's a risk even Sony and Microsoft has to deal with these days (and that's why they're changing a bit the perspective of consoles generations).
If they needed to quit doing hardware I believe it wold be no problem for them to sell their games as a 3rd party company if that means the money will keep flowing into their pockets (as they're actually doing releasing Mario Run and Pokemon Go).
However, Wii U failing is not necessarily an indication they cannot recover. Yeah, they failed hard with Wii U, that I won't deny. But they've suceeded in other aspects as well since the Wii U was released and they're trying to keep themselves in the market the way the believe is the safest (and it seems they don't believe that a strong hardware is their best answer).
SpookyBlackFish
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All signs. The Switch cannot even be preordered now. Do you take GAF, which contains vocal enthusiasts that sometimes tend to act almost hysterically, as an indicator?
We don't know, if it is the old chip (it's properly modified) and you need constant performance, which can be hard on a mobile platform (heat and battery life are your biggest enemies in this spectrum). So having a very good chip running low, is the best you can do in the mobil space (Smartphons and Pads simply assume, that nobody would play strong performance games this long, that's why the got hot very fast).
Full of disappointed fans, fans in denial, people who love kicking the aforementioned and trolls.
It's kind of hilarious if you take a step back and just witness the madness
We really know nothing. So while the clock speeds might be lower, there could be more cores to counter the clock speed. Or the architecture is more efficient. Or a number of other things since this is a custom Tegra.
We really won't know for a while.
DragonSworne
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My bet is there will be less cores. They'll actually be disabled and no way to enable them.
GAF strives on that madness though.
The most fondly remembered threads are the ones with passion inside !
Interfectum
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We don't know a lot until we actually see some third party games running for direct comparison. We know the games will be downgraded, it all depends on how much of a hit they will take.
Nintendo must seen a pretty good deal with Nvidia if they went with a 28nm process, that or Nintendo just went with the more consolidated technology. The fan inside was the hope for us to have a beefier hardware, the true it's probably there just to overcome the deficience in performane-heat of that big nodule =/
cyberheater
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The Wii was a fluke and will never be repeated. They got lucky.
I do, but I don't blame the people that are upset. It's always like that when bad news come out of nowhere. I mean, do you remember the constant madness that the NX threads were ? People were losing their shit way more than now. But when the Switch reveal trailer came, everyone was calmed and happy with that they saw.
I expect the same thing will happen in January 13th. Just relax, wait for the few weeks left and everything will become more clear and appealing than now.
Cid Highwind
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Is the Sky falling yet?
Kssio_Aug
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Did they? I mean, Wii was basically their 1st weak home console. They most certainly expected it to differenciate itself from the next Playstation console when they added Wii Mote into it. It may have received more attention than they expected, but they totally expected to succed doing something different. And they did.
Someone claims that it is so it must be. Insider source.
The Switch should have been two systems - a portable tablet successor to the 3DS, and a home console it can pair with.
It trying to be both things at the same time means you get a shitty version of each. On reveal day people were already saying "They'll make a Switch Lite" and "They need a TV-only version.", because that's what consumers would actually buy.
It trying to be both things at the same time means you get a shitty version of each. On reveal day people were already saying "They'll make a Switch Lite" and "They need a TV-only version.", because that's what consumers would actually buy.
For the PS3 portion atleast they were brought in at the last moment. The original design has two RSX chips working in tandem. That failed so Nvidia had limited time for an emergency solution.
The other two no comment.
Interfectum
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Nah they were pretty smart with Wii. They saw the current market and did something unpredictable and compelling. Where they faltered was they didn't follow up this success with anything noteworthy. They tripped over themselves with Wii U big time.
Herb Alpert
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Yep. They could.
Or they could have learn nothing from the WiiU and went with a dirt cheap setup.
When WiiU was released, iwata and reggie were saying that WiiU could receive easy third party ports.
Are you a time lord?
It'll never be repeated because they're not really making more consoles.
Now lets talk about their handheld track record...
Yeah they're still standing after Wii U failure but they won't be so strong if Switch fails too in similar fashion. Do you really think they would build another console after two failures? Do you think they could gain third party's trust and support after two attempts in vain? Do you really think third time is the charm?
Things never will be too bad for Nintendo, however. There's always a way out for them. They're currently open to merger & acquisition and there are several big companies that Nintendo is close to right now. They can still build another console after switch, but this time they'll probably won't be alone while making this.
How about Apple iNintendo? A brand new handheld that makes use of two companies best aspects. Now that's something.
Why do I keep hearing this?
The Wii had great marketing behind it. It had a great launch and also was priced cheaply. The Wii U wasn't.
It's no fluke at all.
I'm talking mostly about the games that can't render 1080p native on Xbone here. For the ones that run at 1080p on Xbone there is a hope for native resolution on the screen.
jabberwocker
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CPU Available Speeds GPU Speeds Available Memory Controller Speeds
Undocked 1020MHz. 307.2MHz 1331/1600MHz
Docked 1020MHz 307.2/768MHz 1331/1600MHz
The system is not made for multi platform games. They will be switch projects mostly. You have some stuff that shoehorned in like simplistic basketball or football games or indies. But since Nintendo's pretty much gonna be developing just for one Console now expect to get a lot more games just for this. And I can't think of any Nintendo based games that wouldn't be able to run at 60 FPS in 720 P or 60 FPS at 1080 P with these figures most of the time.
Undocked 1020MHz. 307.2MHz 1331/1600MHz
Docked 1020MHz 307.2/768MHz 1331/1600MHz
The system is not made for multi platform games. They will be switch projects mostly. You have some stuff that shoehorned in like simplistic basketball or football games or indies. But since Nintendo's pretty much gonna be developing just for one Console now expect to get a lot more games just for this. And I can't think of any Nintendo based games that wouldn't be able to run at 60 FPS in 720 P or 60 FPS at 1080 P with these figures most of the time.
What about tech specs do people need to 'wait and see' about? We can clearly understand what is compromised in order to be a gaming tablet with a docking station.
Toadthemushroom
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I think it's worth remembering this - SemiAccurate broke the information that Nvidia would be powering Switch. And their sources notably appear to be from within Nvidia employees, unlike the other stories from Eurogamer/Emily Rogers etc.
The PS3 was never supposed to have two RSX.
They initially were going for a Toshiba GPU but it didn't go as planned for whatever reason and had to turn to Nvidia last minute.
jabberwocker
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Peoples expectations that it was going to be something different maybe? People having an expectation of this is going to be a powerhouse that is a tablet never made sense anyhow.
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