Beerman462
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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What are you talking about? They definitely stated the clock speeds but the idea of absorbing Pascal features was speculative.
jabberwocker
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Do we have a reliable estimates on with actual battery life is going to be? I'm just asking I don't now?
Underpoweredtablet?
Runs breath of the wild, possibly things like skyrim and dark souls
Bad battery life? I didn't know it was January 12 yet to know that.
If it is ever just 5 hours that's good enough. And bringing USB type c means it's easy to charger anywhere
Also we shouldn't forget that it is NOT a stock Maxwell chip, it's customized, it could still enjoy from Pascal features.
Everything but clock speeds was speculative.
Best way to marry the idea of a fan in this thing, with these clocks right now.
Toadthemushroom
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Let's not jump to conclusions.
Diablohead
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There's an easy 4M units in one country regardless of chipset and frequencies.
i'll gladly buy a switch for monster hunter, it's the one main game I own for my 2ds currently.
The architecture advantages will definitely make it punch "well above its weight" but its weight class is so low that it can't even come close to making up the gap. You may see ports of less intensive games but that's about it. If it sells well enough those may continue throughout its lifespan.
For starters it's a convergence device for die hard Nintendo fans. About 60-70 million bought the 3DS, about 11 million bought the Wii U. Those probably mostly overlap, but instead of Nintendo selling those die hards a $200 handheld and a $300 console they sell them one $250 device and watch them spend the other $250 on games, a much more profitable sale for Nintendo.
Second, a convergence device, if well marketed by Nintendo, could target the casual gaming family who bought the Wii but have since moved on to tablets. A cost efficient hybrid device that offers family multiplayer in docked mode and the ability for off TV play in handheld, etc. offers some nice flexibility for the average household. It becomes an easier sell when it has the newest Pokemon and Mario titles on it.
Third, it is a viable play as a low cost for the performance portable gaming device since the Switch specs we're working on represent a substantial jump forward over the 3DS and really lands more around where a Vita 2 would probably have been if Sony went that route. Not the market it once was but Nintendo's mobile efforts are clearly part and parcel of an entice and sell package that hopes to bring Pokemon Go and Super Mario Run fans into the fold with the Switch.
Nintendo can't win the third party war. They haven't won that in about two decades now. Their focus is on selling Nintendo software via a platform that lets them remain independent and royalty free.
I'd like to see them go aggressive on this and have streaming form a compatible Nvidia PC GPU like other Tegra devices out of the box since that would be a big play against the core gamer power concerns. Even if they don't though the device is focused to bring together Nintendo's fans and Nintendo's next wave of consumer targets, none of those are the traditional 3rd party AAA playing core gamer.
kraspkibble
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i'm just gonna think of it as a successor the 3DS that can output to a TV and has detachable controllers. i think too many people expect a successor to the Wii U that is on the level of performance as a PS4 that could be used also as a handheld.
it is so low spec because it is a handheld primarily so should be closer to the price of a 3DS than what a PS4/XB1 cost at launch and it needs to have good cooling/battery life. the rumours are that here in the UK it will cost £200 (a retailer is already taking preorders at that price) with the premium SKU being £250. once you remove the 20% tax and convert to dollars that works out about $200/$250. cheapest I can find a new "new nintendo 3ds" is £180 from Nintendo on their UK store. at launch a PS4 on it's own cost £350.
if nintendo are indeed merging both the 3DS/Wii U platforms then the Switch should amass a pretty good library.
it is so low spec because it is a handheld primarily so should be closer to the price of a 3DS than what a PS4/XB1 cost at launch and it needs to have good cooling/battery life. the rumours are that here in the UK it will cost £200 (a retailer is already taking preorders at that price) with the premium SKU being £250. once you remove the 20% tax and convert to dollars that works out about $200/$250. cheapest I can find a new "new nintendo 3ds" is £180 from Nintendo on their UK store. at launch a PS4 on it's own cost £350.
if nintendo are indeed merging both the 3DS/Wii U platforms then the Switch should amass a pretty good library.
I still despite it being confirmed cant believe that Nintendo sold the Wii U at a loss, 2006 tech in 2011.....really? with a price point of 350 dollars with a measly 32GB storage capacity! If the tablet was honestly that expensive then it actually blows my mind how Nintendo could have possible though it would be a good idea try and sell it or how it ever got past the concept stages especially with that horrendous battery life.
Beerman462
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It's helpful when comparing to the Wii U at least.
Kssio_Aug
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Giving that UK price, I believe it's safe to say it will cost 250 USD? I believe that with this in mind there's no chance it wll cost 199. But 249 is still very reasonable.
I see. If so the very chip may be price pretty low..
Jose92
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Value is something relative.
Google's pixel C tablet embedded with the tegra X1, sells for £379.99 in the UK, which is the same rumoured soc inside the switch but with higher clocks. Hence, if the switch sells for £199 then it is a good deal. and i think google's products are more fairly priced compared to the competition.
It definitely outperforms the wiiU in all modes at least. I'll be happy to play Xenoblade and some of the other ports in 1080p
Man, Switch would be looking so much better if Nintendo didn't keep insisting it was a Wii U successor rather than a 3DS successor. I get that it's both, but a slight change in the messaging would go a really long way here. Do we have any real expectations of what the software might be priced at? That'll be a good indicator of whether Nintendo believes the Switch really is primarily a home console.
Obviously Nintendo is attempting to leverage their portable market to bolster their home console market and have the best of both worlds with Switch. But how will the kid who buys a $150 3DS and $40 Pokemon game look at a $250 Switch with $60 Pokemon games?
Obviously Nintendo is attempting to leverage their portable market to bolster their home console market and have the best of both worlds with Switch. But how will the kid who buys a $150 3DS and $40 Pokemon game look at a $250 Switch with $60 Pokemon games?
kraspkibble
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i just updated that post. yeah once you remove the 20% VAT it gives you £160/200 which converts to $197/247.
Tacklemacain
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But Googles profit comes from selling hardware while Nintendo makes money from the game sales.
Skittzo0413
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Current rumor is 5-8 hours.
The tech behind the GamePad was what drove the cost of it up. They basically made their own lagless streaming technology to make it work. They probably thought making a home version of a 3DS along with the popularity of tablet gaming would have been a winner.
Instead they botched the marketing completely and relied too hard on 3rd parties to produce games at launch that would work with it. If they released something on the level of Mario Galaxy or Skyward Sword at launch the console would have fared much better.
Half of Nintendo's profits come from hardware sales, which is why they'll never go third party unless on the bring of bankruptcy.
Toadthemushroom
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Yup. Unique software and delivering on the core concept well is going to matter more than GFLOPS. That's why the Pixel-C is generally seen as an overpriced failure compared with the iPad anyway: Android still wasn't ready for primetime on large tablet displays, and the actual software isn't ready or even compatible.
Pixel-C is still a joke, a year later:
This is not a user experience worthy of the iPad price tag.
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Now, by comparison, the Switch is a device that occupies a niche, and isn't a direct competitor to something like an iPad (unlike the Pixel-C) or a PS4 (unlike an Xbox One). Based on what we've seen so far off the trailer and brief hands on from Reggie, it does what it says it'll do extremely well and slickly, and you can count on Nintendo and Japanese third parties to nail the software side of things at the very least. And Nintendo hasn't even shown many Switch concepts off yet - they purposefully held off showing touch and motion controls from the initial core-focused trailer.
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Deleted member 752119
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As has been said repeatedly, I don't think many thought that after the hybrid model was confirmed.
People are just disappointed that the Tegra X1 is clocked lower than that in the Nvidia Shield that came out in 2015!
Have there been any rumblings of the Switch's physical storage capacity? Support beyond what's onboard? I think I recall 128GB built-in but that seems woefully inadequate for patches and DLC, especially with the "begin QA at shipment and release a Day 1 patch for any issues" development model I suspect a lot of studios are used to.
If publishers actually have to ship a polished, finished game in 2017, I suspect that'll put off a lot of third parties.
If publishers actually have to ship a polished, finished game in 2017, I suspect that'll put off a lot of third parties.
kraspkibble
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the "new nintendo 3ds xl" does 3.5-7, right?
Kssio_Aug
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There's no VAT-similar taxes in US?
kraspkibble
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i have no idea what the taxes are in the US. i think they vary between states and therefore the price is often advertised without any tax.
Right, varies by state and by city/municipality, but there's no federal sales tax.
lwilliams3
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So, did lherre commented after his cryptic messaged earlier?
Shadowfox8
I got my "About 1.5x Wii U while undock" number by considering that the base of Wii U's GPU is based on the 2008 R700 series and is pre-GCN/GPGPU. I don't know the actual numbers, so someone can probably calculate what it would be. That will not be simple due to the architectural differences, but In terms of CPU/GPU technology the Switch is a huge step up from Wii U.
Shadowfox8
I got my "About 1.5x Wii U while undock" number by considering that the base of Wii U's GPU is based on the 2008 R700 series and is pre-GCN/GPGPU. I don't know the actual numbers, so someone can probably calculate what it would be. That will not be simple due to the architectural differences, but In terms of CPU/GPU technology the Switch is a huge step up from Wii U.
We've heard the Dev kits only last three hours.
The Pixel C is a tablet on the market right now with the same hardware but not underclocked.
Okay, I'm confused what the argument is then.
I'm basing it on the theory it's 28nm. If it is the device is both more power hungry and needs to power a fan to keep cool. That's a guaranteed battery killer.
The Pixel C also has vastly superior build quality and much more utility. The average customer won't know what chips are inside the devices.
The Pixel C isn't exactly a roaring success either.
Kssio_Aug
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I see! If that means it may cost 199~250 USD (standard ~ premium), that's a pretty great price!
I don't think they're gonna charge more than 250 to their standard version though, giving the conversion.
Toadthemushroom
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Fair enough. I'm not even sure that's a valid theory to analyse, given all existing X1s in consumer products (like Shield TV) are fabricated on 20nm.
You might be disappointed. While we may get the token Madden & CoD game for the first year (or two in the case of CoD), most of the audience for those games are elsewhere. The average Nintendo fan doesn't really give a shit about most third party games these days, & those who do already have systems that satisfy their needs. I've mentioned this numerous times in the past, & thus curbed my expectations for third party support on the Switch to just Japanese third parties, indies, & a handful of western developers (namely Ubisoft & maybe WB Games) for the long-term.
Rogue Agent
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I agree that it would be weird. I would hope that it follows scalability. I'm not sure how the Apple model works, if its newer games can still be played on older models.
Seriously. I'm not sure why people keep bringing up the PS4. Expectations were already low once we found out it was going to be a hybrid Tegra based device. The disappointment is that it appears to be almost the worst case scenario.
Toadthemushroom
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Almost at page 100...ha...ha....h
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Why are you even asking this? Could you not be bothered to even read the last few pages?
Seriously?
This product will be more powerful than WiiU if not by a wide margin. The architecture of the parts are much better and more modern. So while 'raw' numbers may not seem as amazing it is most definitely mouch more powerful than a wiiu.
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's likely at all but if that is the case it's pretty terrible. Literal worst case scenario.
Undocked its still more powerful than a WiiU.
Candescence
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And people are still jumping to conclusions and thinking we know way more than we actually do.
Skittzo0413
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Interesting tidbit. I don't know what that means but it sounds good haha
Kssio_Aug
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I understand shit about the technical aspect, but by all the reading through this thread, it seems it might be more powerful than a Wii U both docked and undocked.
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Deleted member 752119
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People are saying that it has to have enough "value" that it sells well to the market. Of course every individual decides what's worth their money differently.
It just needs to have enough value at launch and beyond that it doesn't fail like the Wii U--or like the 3DS before the big, early price drop. They need it to sell well from day one on to restore confidence after the Wii U failure.
i think people are exagerating this, the only reason they said it was a console first, was becuase they wanted to seel 3ds and pokemon sun and moons this holiday season, and nothing more.
It's not really "ancient" tech as the architecture is more recent than what is seen in the PS4/One.
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