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Not gonna lie. I have two good reasons to buy the game on Switch.

A: Gonna support the hell out of Ancel for doing this.

B: If Switch is going to be the only system to get a physical release, this game is going to make me a good bit of money when I resell it after I finish it. Looking for a repeat of Bayonetta 2 and Pikmin 3 here

 

[ultrazilla]

Laura can't seem to control herself after saying she won't leak anymore. At this point, she's ruined their end of reel surprise, lol.

If anyone is doubting that Nintendo is actively pursuing who is leaking her this information, they're less powerful than a Wii.

Seriously though, sooner or later her sources are going to get caught/burned. She would do well to take her own advice and go dark, along with whomever is leaking her this stuff.

Why risk it when we're so close to the proper unveil? Ego? Clicks? Followers?

 

[HylianTom]

I wonder if we'll see a BG&E1+2 bundle so that a new generation of gamers can play the first one. Might be a good idea.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Shhhh, he's making a point.

I doubt he'll ever return to that line of posting. This is what happens when double down and don't know what you're talking about

 

[RPGamer92]

I don't think it's a disappointing ending just that it's disappointing that it got leaked.



I'm expecting 90% of the event to get leaked before the 12th at this point.

Eh even then, the fact that it's a timed exclusive and not a permanent one is kind of a bad way to end on imo.

 

[Vena]

I'm expecting 90% of the event to get leaked before the 12th at this point.

Only the Euro/NA side, and largely from a third party perspective (obviously Ubi).

Notice how we still don't have a lip from what Retro is doing, we only barely have a rumor on NERD being responsible for the VC, weird rumors on Metroid, not a peep from Xenoblade's follow up, nothing from Japan even though we know there's support, etc. Only Mario has actually leaked from internals, and that was revealed by Nintendo themselves.

Shows her info is rather limited to the Eurozone and the US.

If anyone is doubting that Nintendo is actively pursuing who is leaking her this information, they're less powerful than a Wii.

Seriously though, sooner or later her sources are going to get caught/burned. She would do well to take her own advice and go dark, along with whomever is leaking her thus stuff.

Why risk it when we're so close to the proper unveil? Ego? Clicks? Followers?

Its obviously Ubisoft, and a small splinter probably at Treehouse but the info she's getting from Treehouse is considerably thinner.

 

[cheesekao]

Even if your point about chart ranking is true(I'm not convinced) you are ignoring that MH4 sold 4.1 in Japan whereas Generations only managed that worldwide.

Well you got me there. Even so, the fact of the matter is MHX managed to perform about as well as MH4G and both had worldwide releases so I don't think that one can simply justify the lower western sales with "it's a spinoff".

 

[UrbanRats]

Never saw an ass so beautiful.

Art direction can do a lot to hide technical limitations, but they're pretty blatantly on display in Zelda, nonetheless.

 

[rayman1900]

Really looking forward the actual announcement, and to the teaser.

I'm completely okay with it being a reboot. Making a sequel to a game that not a lot of people heard in the first place is always difficult to sell out.

I'm looking forward exploring Hyllis in pure HD, and also exploring this time a lot of planets (which was their original intent on the story)

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Art direction can do a lot to hide technical limitations, but they're pretty blatantly on display in Zelda, nonetheless.

There are tech limitations on everything, but PC. You guys have just convinced yourself PS4 and the XBO are powerful, because reasons

 

[KORNdoggy]

sounds like a smart move to put your poor selling IP with terrible sales on a new console with a small userbase...and then to make the other versions digitial only afterwards? lol.

 

[cheesekao]

Chart ranking means nothing. If one game shipped more than 4.1m it'd be reflected in the platinum charts. The charts also don't contain budget rereleases so really MH4U should be highest.

Based on the chart rankings, it is. Also, do you have source stating that budget re-releases aren't included?

And it very literally is a spinoff. It's basically MH All-Stars or something.

I never said it wasn't.

 

[AgeEighty]

If anyone is doubting that Nintendo is actively pursuing who is leaking her this information, they're less powerful than a Wii.

Seriously though, sooner or later her sources are going to get caught/burned. She would do well to take her own advice and go dark, along with whomever is leaking her this stuff.

Why risk it when we're so close to the proper unveil? Ego? Clicks? Followers?

Probably pushback against the people who still think she's lying about everything, to further her vindication when the event happens. I frankly don't blame her.

sounds like a smart move to put your poor selling IP with terrible sales on a new console with a small userbase...and then to make the other versions digitial only afterwards? lol.

IIRC, while the original release of BG&E sold poorly, the HD remaster has sold pretty well.

 

[MacTag]

Well you got me there. Even so, the fact of the matter is MHX managed to perform about as well as MH4G and both had worldwide releases so I don't think that one can simply justify the lower western sales with "it's a spinoff".

But it IS a spinoff. Have you played it?

 

[cheesekao]

But it IS a spinoff. Have you played it?

Dude, are you even listening to yourself? Just because I said you can't justify it's sales by stating it's a spin-off doesn't mean it's NOT. Not once did I imply that it wasn't. Let me give it straight to you.

1. MHX IS a spinoff.
2. If you think that I said/imply that it's not then you misconstrued what I said.

 

[capylikesgames]

I prefer playing on PC, but I'm thinking of buying a Switch at launch, so I might get it on there instead. I do wonder if Ninty had any direct involvement in the funding of the sequel, or if exclusivity was a choice on Ubisoft's part. Granted, I guess we don't have 100% confirmation on this either, so it'll be interesting to watch it pan out.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

That's exactly my point. MHX sold more than MH4 based on its chart ranking. Nobody can say that it sold less than a mainline series because it was a spin-off anymore. This time, western sales did not reach the heights of MH4U based on the data we got from sales threads and Japan picked up the slack.

MHX would be the equivalent to MH4. The both sold 4.1 million but X needed a worldwide release to do so. MH4U is an expansion of 4. You can't compare it directly to X which was fresh content. And MH4U has been out longer than MHX in the West. X hasn't even been out a year. This comparison is silly.

 

[MacTag]

Based on the chart rankings, it is. Also, do you have source stating that budget re-releases aren't included?

Do you have proof the chart rankings actually mean anything? Is Capcom just forgetting to update their numbers?

As for budget rereleases, MHP2 proves it. Shipments are less than total Japanese sellthrough. The reason for this is that Capcom considers any rereleases to be different, even if it's just a budget sku.

I never said it wasn't.

So how many spinoffs match mainline series sales in the west?

 

[tkscz]

Not really. Remember Rayman Legends and Zombi-U?

This will be the same result with Ubisoft making their money back from releasing the game on platforms with actual install bases.

That really wasn't the case. Rayman Legends barley did better and same goes with Zombi, most likely BG&E will be the same, not because of the system, but the game itself. BG&E has a loud niche of fans. Game release on PS2, GC and XB and still didn't sale well. Don't really see it doing that good unless by some miracle it releases with the Switch.

 

[EDarkness]

That really wasn't the case. Rayman Legends barley did better and same goes with Zombi, most likely BG&E will be the same, not because of the system, but the game itself. BG&E has a loud niche of fans. Game release on PS2, GC and XB and still didn't sale well. Don't really see it doing that good unless by some miracle it releases with the Switch.

You're probably right. However, we keep forgetting that Ancel has a chance to change up the gameplay in a way that is appealing to more people, or the overall game is just better than the original. We'll see, of course, but since the game is still being made, we have to take into consideration that they'll change of the gameplay. The original game may not have been appealing, but that may not be true of the sequel.

 

[silva1991]

RIP visuals. After the last Michel Ancel thread, I expected something advanced. Jade deserves better.

 

[Kasper]

I'm usually against previously multiplatform series going exclusive, timed or not, but like with Bayonetta 2 I doubt Ubisoft would have invested into BG&E2 without some first-party money from somewhere. All in all I'm just happy to see Nintendo seemingly making an effort with Switch. Hopefully there will be more reveals coming up.

 

[AgeEighty]

Shows her info is rather limited to the Eurozone and the US.

She's always said that her sources are mostly European ones.

 

[decoyplatypus]

If true, this means that (a) BG&E2 is not dead and (b) console warriors of all kinds will get to play it within a year of each other. Seems like good news.

 

[Head.spawn]

I'm okay with this. The other versions unintentionally get the extra time in the oven that they should.

 

[cheesekao]

Do you have proof the chart rankings actually mean anything? Is Capcom just forgetting to update their numbers?

As for budget rereleases, MHP2 proves it. Shipments are less than total Japanese sellthrough. The reason for this is that Capcom considers any rereleases to be different, even if it's just a budget sku.

What I said about the chart ranking is simply conjecture. If you don't want to believe it then I have no reason to force you to. Currently looking for those shipment numbers.

So how many spinoffs match mainline series sales in the west?

Based off the top of my head, Mario Kart and certain 3d Marios. Then again, those two are far more of a spin-off than MHX is. MHX is a spinoff as stated by some Capcom peeps or something but it does the bare minimum to warrant that. The core gameplay is so similar that I wouldn't have batted an eyelid if it were MH5.

1. Do I believe that lower western sales could possibly be due to the fact that it's a spin-off? Yes.
2. Do I believe that it's the only cause? No I don't. I am of the opinion that it's a simply a franchise drop not too dissimilar to many other titles this year due to how it doesn't really differentiate itself all that much from the mainline series beyond styles and such . I'm 100% sure you'll disagree with me but that's what I think anyway.

 

[Astral Dog]

RIP visuals. After the last Michel Ancel thread, I expected something advanced. Jade deserves better.

Fuck this. Switch is powerful enough to handle this BGAE game,that old teaser was always pure smoke and fake shit. Typical marketing/Ubisoft way

 

[ultrazilla]

Probably pushback against the people who still think she's lying about everything, to further her vindication when the event happens. I frankly don't blame her.



IIRC, while the original release of BG&E sold poorly, the HD remaster has sold pretty well.

Well she should tread carefully as well as the leakers. Breaking of NDA agreements/trade secrets isn't something I would want to get involved with, especially if Nintendo were to escalate things in terms of legal action. Just my opinion, nothing more.

Vena-Interesting you say she's getting some info from Treehouse. Who said that and better yet, WHY would they say that?

 

[jroc74]

Sold to retailers, sold to endconsumers trough the eShop to be precise.



Rayman Legends was meant to be a WiiU exclusive,switched to all plattforms prerelease and sold best on WiiU.

We have no clue how much ZombiU sold on PS4/Xbox One. Doesn't seem alot.

Beyond Good & Evil 2 is according to this rumor a timed exclusive from the get go.

Different stories all around.

Well damn, I didnt realize this.

Makes this more of a nothing to see here then.

 

[AgeEighty]

Well she should tread carefully as well as the leakers. Breaking of NDA agreements/trade secrets isn't something I would want to get involved with, especially if Nintendo were to escalate things in terms of legal action. Just my opinion, nothing more.

I agree that her sources should tread carefully, but I don't see why she should.

If the sources are continuing to feed her info this late in the game, they clearly still want the info out there. No doubt they know the risks to themselves. There's not really any risk to Laura, however. She's not under any NDAs.

 

[RedAssedApe]

sounds doomed to fail

 

[Gotdatmoney]

What I said about the chart ranking is simply conjecture. If you don't want to believe it then I have no reason to force you to.

Is this how we make points these days?

 

[10k]

Zelda looks like ass.

I take it you're a power bottom since you don't like to see beautiful ass?

 

[Zapages]

Interesting development... Hopefully the game is good and with good word of mouth the game sells a lot.

 

[Lexxism]

sounds doomed to fail

This seems to be mentioned a lot in this thread. Didn't the first game sold like shit? Why does it make it "doomed" now?

 

[cheesekao]

Is this how we make points these days?

Still looking for those damn shipment numbers. If you can provide them, then I'll gladly believe you.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Fuck this. Switch is powerful enough to handle this BGAE game,that old teaser was always pure smoke and fake shit. Typical marketing/Ubisoft way

No its not.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

So if the Switch bombs the exclusivity will be off then?

 

[ultrazilla]

I agree that her sources should tread carefully, but I don't see why she should.

If the sources are continuing to feed her info this late in the game, they clearly still want the info out there. No doubt they know the risks to themselves. There's not really any risk to Laura, however. She's not under any NDAs.

Agreed. I'm just coming from the stand point, why even *risk* possibly being taken to court over it, with the reveal so close.

Folks know the consequences of what they're doing. I just personally would never risk it, under NDA or not.

Cheers and bring on the conference!!!!

 

[UnemployedVillain]

RIP visuals. After the last Michel Ancel thread, I expected something advanced. Jade deserves better.

You mean like PC? Anytime people complain about wanting "the best" visuals, I roll my eyes, because they really just mean wanting it on the console of choice. If they actually cared they would mean PC exclusive, and only the strongest machines. I'm talking Crysis 1. So save your thinly veiled, unsubtle, port begging

 

[Elios83]

If true this is going to end up like Bayonetta 2 mixed with the Tomb Raider 12-months exclusivity situation = it's not going to end well sales wise.
It would also suggest that they're not aiming for super high quality graphics so the game is probably not made with a huge budget.

 

[ultrazilla]

So if the Switch bombs the exclusivity will be off then?

It will be after 1 year anyways according to leaks Laura is getting. One year timed exclusive for Switch. PS4/Xbox One after.

And much love ❤️ to Ubisoft for always standing by Nintendo's side as a loyal third party developer, even when their sales
haven't been good. I wish them huge success with their Switch offerings and will be buying them!!

 

[GhostTrick]

No its not.

Please, enlighten us with your deep knowledge.

You mean like PC? Anytime people complain about wanting "the best" visuals, I roll my eyes, because they really just mean wanting it on the console of choice. If they actually cared they would mean PC exclusive, and only the strongest machines. I'm talking Crysis 1. So save your thinly veiled, unsubtle, port begging

Basically this. Although I'm not accusing silva1991 of that, I agree with the big idea that some people will consider a game isn't limited as long as it's on their platform of choice.

 

[alemmon]

By the time this game even makes it out on Switch it will probably be a PS5 launch title if its 12 moths after Switch.I really dont see this game even making 2018. I could be wrong though.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Cool, I'll be down to pick up the Definitive Complete Edition 12 months later.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Still looking for those damn shipment numbers. If you can provide them, then I'll gladly believe you.

I'm not the one that claimed X charted higher than 4U. So I dont see why I am expected to provide anything. You made the claim and now your excuse is "believe what you want" well obviously no one believes you because you're making shit up.

X is trending lower in the West than 4U. Is this a surprise?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

this thread is rough on the Switch

 

[nelsonroyale]

Hmmm, disappointing if true. I will be happy if Switch gets a release of it (that is guaranteed if the game is released), but I wanted something that would shine technically. This could make me get a Switch though, and I was already considering it.

There are tech limitations on everything, but PC. You guys have just convinced yourself PS4 and the XBO are powerful, because reasons

This is a silly post. PC has obvious tech limitations as well, if you target it. For instance, Star Citizen looks far from the visuals in stuff like Kingsglaive...

Additionally, I do think current gen consoles are pretty powerful. Just look at stuff like Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, FFXV, Order, etc. They look spectacular.

 

[cheesekao]

I'm not the one that claimed X charted higher than 4U. So I dont see why I am expected to provide anything. You made the claim and now your excuse is "believe what you want" well obviously no one believes you because you're making shit up.

It's not an excuse when I'm actively looking for proof to further solidify his claims which I believe to be highly probable. That was just my interim answer. Also, I did not notice that you were not him so that's a mistake on my part.

X is trending lower in the West than 4U. Is this a surprise?

No but my reasoning for that is not simply "it's a spin-off".

 

[silva1991]

You mean like PC? Anytime people complain about wanting "the best" visuals, I roll my eyes, because they really just mean wanting it on the console of choice. If they actually cared they would mean PC exclusive, and only the strongest machines. I'm talking Crysis 1. So save your thinly veiled, unsubtle, port begging

Except I have PC, PS4 and Xbox1 and the last Nintendo systems.

Current gen systems aren't high end PCs, but they aren't ancient either and their games can make even a PC player like me to drop my jaw. Something I can't see about any Wii U game I played and Switch doesn't sound any better.