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[Hoo-doo]

I don't understand though.

It's a hybrid device so specs are limited somewhat. If it was a PS4 Pro level device, it couldn't be portable and it'd be a fuckton more expensive.

What do you guys want? Seriously?

You want the highest of spec with the lowest of price. In an ideal world, yeah that'd be great, but get a grip on realism

I never wanted a hybrid system in the first place, and I doubt many actually did. Because a hybrid inevitably leads to it being the worst of both worlds. At the very least it's a jack of all trades, master of none.

It's not a great portable because it's big, it's comparatively expensive and has a shit battery life.
It's not a great home console because it's very underpowered and suffering from all kinds of weird design decisions necessary for it being portable (like say, the pitiful storage capacity).

Nobody really wins here unless you were right in the exact niche Nintendo is targeting.

 

[Oare]

Well, looking on the bright side, I'll be there day one to buy Splatoon 3 when it comes out on Steam in 2022.

 

[xochipiltontli]

That being said, it's not an unsalvageable platform. If they pull a 3DS-style 180 where they drastically cut the price and do a soft-relaunch in fall when Mario comes out, and then they have a good lineup and a dope advertising campaign, then I think they could maybe do fine.

This is my thinking too. I feel like if anything they're aiming for max profit right now from their die hard fans before they actually aim for a mainstream presence during the holidays, as going all in 3 months after people bought 6 million PS4s would probably be seen as a waste of resources. I would hope that they're not stupid enough to think that this thing will actually sell to a broad audience as it is now. I could also see them going into emergency mode at some point by releasing the Switch's internals in an Apple TV format for a much cheaper price.

I don't know, things just look kinda bleak right now.

 

[JoeM86]

I never wanted a hybrid system in the first place, and I doubt many actually did. Because a hybrid inevitably leads to it being the worst of both worlds. At the very least it's a jack of all trades, master of none.

It's not a great portable because it's big, it's comparatively expensive and has a shit battery life.
It's not a great home console because it's very underpowered and suffering from all kinds of weird design decisions necessary for it being portable (like say, the pitiful storage capacity).

Nobody really wins here unless you were right in the exact niche Nintendo is targeting.

But the battery life is on par with the 3DS, which considering the jump in tech is really nice

 

[Chindogg]

I don't understand though.

It's a hybrid device so specs are limited somewhat. If it was a PS4 Pro level device, it couldn't be portable and it'd be a fuckton more expensive.

What do you guys want? Seriously?

You want the highest of spec with the lowest of price. In an ideal world, yeah that'd be great, but get a grip on realism

One thing I've discovered is that a lot of people on here don't really know what they want. Or they just want Nintendo games on PS4. One or the other.

 

[Toxi]

Competitive kids with friends?

You don't have to have face melting explosions in 4k to be entertained. Hangman, coloring books, and rock-paper-scissors are still popular ways to pass the time, yes even in 2017.

Coloring books are dirt-cheap and hangman and RPS are free. 1-2 Switch is 50 fucking dollars, not to mention the price for the system itself.

You see the problem with your comparison?

 

[JoeM86]

That being said, it's not an unsalvageable platform. If they pull a 3DS-style 180 where they drastically cut the price and do a soft-relaunch in fall when Mario comes out, and then they have a good lineup and a dope advertising campaign, then I think they could maybe do fine. Otherwise I think they're either gonna go third-party for realsies (I know Nintendoomed since 1800whatever blah blah blah, I really think it could happen this time tho), or they'll just try again because they have enough money to do that.

You do know that 3DS price cut was the major reason they went into the red for the first time ever, right? The 3DS took off while at considerable loss

 

[Polarbear]

One thing I've discovered is that a lot of people on here don't really know what they want. Or they just want Nintendo games on PS4. One or the other.

I know what I want. For Nintendo to go third party.

 

[jdstorm]

Coloring books are dirt-cheap and hangman and RPS are free. 1-2 Switch is 50 fucking dollars, not to mention the price for the system itself.

You see the problem with your comparison?

The problem is no kids will ask for a switch as long as its DOA with 3rd party games.

 

[JoeM86]

I know what I want. For Nintendo to go third party.

Because that has gone so well for everyone else that has

 

[Zaru]

This thing reeks so much of an obvious massive, unsalvagable blunder for Nintendo that I'm almost tempted to bet on the opposite and expect a surprise success.



But only almost. What was Nintendo thinking?

 

[Stiflers Mom]

I don't understand though.

It's a hybrid device so specs are limited somewhat. If it was a PS4 Pro level device, it couldn't be portable and it'd be a fuckton more expensive.

What do you guys want? Seriously?

You want the highest of spec with the lowest of price. In an ideal world, yeah that'd be great, but get a grip on realism

I don't have a problem with the specs.

But then price it for what it is.

 

[Koodo]

Appalling price point for the features and specs of the system.

Even more laughable is charging for online. Many of us who've entered the Steam world can't fathom the ridicule of paying for a service that should be free, but the fact that Nintendo is trying to pull this stunt with an unparalleled track record of communication errors is overwhelmingly delusional.

I'll pass, which is looking to be a common sentiment among consumers.

 

[Polarbear]

Because that has gone so well for everyone else that has

Pokemon GO was a massive success for them and as far as I know Super Mario Run is as well.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Any word on the final specs?

Like we already know if it is 2SM, 3SM o 4SM thing?

 

[julesodies]

Fucking great.

Switch = AU$470
Pro controller = AU$100
Zelda = AU$90

$660.... $660 fucking hell Nintendo.

Even without the Pro controller this thing would cost me AU$560.

I don't even know how this console operates, UI, friends list, social media sharing, OS speed and features etc etc.

This includes VAT/ sales tax right? US prices dont, so whats the big deal?

 

[GamerJM]

You do know that 3DS price cut was the major reason they went into the red for the first time ever, right? The 3DS took off while at considerable loss

I know this. I also don't know why it's relevant. I think they need to save this console regardless of initial profits because if it doesn't perform well then I think that'll lead to significant issues regarding investors and Nintendo's presence in the console space.

 

[watershed]

But the battery life is on par with the 3DS, which considering the jump in tech is really nice

I hope that estimate is accurate because Nintendo lists the 3ds XL battery life as 3.5 to 5 hours and rarely have issues with it running out of battery. So if the Switch truly does live in that range, it will be just fine for me.

 

[Scofield94941]

they coulda really called this "New" Wii U ...like they did with the 3ds. Feels just like a small upgrade from Wiiu. You can take the gamepad on the go, updated graphics for games you have on WiiU

 

[mrklaw]

16GB games? How much storage built-in?

I might stick to physical games except for VC/smaller titles otherwise it'll get pretty expensive with 128GB SD cards and even those will need fridge management. At least with small cards going physical is easy enough to carry around with you

 

[Toxi]

I don't understand though.

It's a hybrid device so specs are limited somewhat. If it was a PS4 Pro level device, it couldn't be portable and it'd be a fuckton more expensive.

What do you guys want? Seriously?

You want the highest of spec with the lowest of price. In an ideal world, yeah that'd be great, but get a grip on realism

How about controllers that don't cost 70-80 fucking dollars?

Or do you seriously think that's justified?

 

[jdstorm]

This is my thinking too. I feel like if anything they're aiming for max profit right now from their die hard fans before they actually aim for a mainstream presence during the holidays, as going all in 3 months after people bought 6 million PS4s would probably be seen as a waste of resources. I would hope that they're not stupid enough to think that this thing will actually sell to a broad audience as it is now. I could also see them going into emergency mode at some point by releasing the Switch's internals in an Apple TV format for a much cheaper price.

I don't know, things just look kinda bleak right now.

The issue with this stratergy is that 3rd parties wont support the switch until it has an install base worth supporting and from that point games are 2-3 years away. By wasting 6-12 months price gouging your loyal customer base, you are essentially going DOA for a whole generation. Thanks to the new itterative console cycle that is bringing console generations shorter then ever before

 

[Polarbear]

I know this. I also don't know why it's relevant. I think they need to save this console regardless of initial profits because if it doesn't perform well then I think that'll lead to significant issues regarding investors and Nintendo's presence in the console space.

If it bombs as hard as the Wii U or worse this will be their last console and those investors that have been yelling at them for years to go third party will start screaming it.

 

[GamerJM]

If it bombs as hard as the Wii U or worse this will be their last console and those investors that have been yelling at them for years to go third party will start screaming it.

Yeah, this is essentially what I've been getting at.

 

[jabberwocker]

The issue with this stratergy is that 3rd parties wont support the switch until it has an install base worth supporting and from that point games are 2-3 years away. By wasting 6-12 months price gouging your loyal customer base, you are essentially going DOA for a whole generation. Thanks to the new itterative console cycle that is bringing console generations shorter then ever before

you dont think the switch maybe iterative?

 

[swit]

So, $299 was generally expected to be the logical price of the system, but now it's confirmed people are trashing them saying it's a poor price?

Good fucking christ they can't win.

With Nintendo, I feel people often have such lofty and ridiculous expectations. They expect all the stuff and they expect it now.

With Switch, in the first year we have 3 of their top franchises, the best Mario Kart, FE, Xenoblade, 2 new IP and..well 1-2 Switch. Yet there are people saying "This is not enough". It's ridiculously absurd. Plus I expect stuff revealed at E3 for this year, too.

Yeah there are elements that are underwhelming (what do you expect with Battery when battery tech hasn't advanced with normal tech. Try playing a game on your phone non-stop for 3 hours and see what it does to your battery), but come the fuck on. Stop being so ridiculous.

ehh, when you don't have western third party support to make the purchase worthwhile than your first party output better be exceptional. Price is high but I bet people would handle the news much better if not for the online fee.

In my case subscription killed all the hype. I was watching whole conference in disbelieve. Not sure if there is any game that they could have shown to change my perception of this event. May as well not count Splatoon 2 (and probably Mario Kart if single player content is still as poor as ever) when it comes lineup since I'm not going to pay for online gaming. Huge disappointed.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Any word on the final specs?

Like we already know if it is 2SM, 3SM o 4SM thing?

The footage and the fact that Zelda runs at 900p certainly doesn't point towards a spec bump to 3-4SM.

 

[hughesta]

Everything to do with the pricing is absolute insanity. I don't even mind the price of the console itself, but the controllers, subscription, and some of the games are overpriced to the point of madness.

 

[Aztechnology]

How about controllers that don't cost 70-80 fucking dollars?

Or do you seriously think that's justified?

Dude... Justified

Spoiler

It's not fucking justified, Nintendo increased the cost of their product substantially for stupid crap like this. They are really out of touch.

 

[Lom1lo]

They said 2,5 - 6h battery life.

Does that mean Zelda at max brightness = 2,5h ? would be nice if we can get 4h at med brightness

 

[JoeM86]

How about controllers that don't cost 70-80 fucking dollars?

Or do you seriously think that's justified?

No, I don't. I think it's ridiculous

Everything to do with the pricing is absolute insanity. I don't even mind the price of the console itself, but the controllers, subscription, and some of the games are overpriced to the point of madness.

We don't have the subscription price...

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I don't understand though.

It's a hybrid device so specs are limited somewhat. If it was a PS4 Pro level device, it couldn't be portable and it'd be a fuckton more expensive.

What do you guys want? Seriously?

You want the highest of spec with the lowest of price. In an ideal world, yeah that'd be great, but get a grip on realism

I'd like an online service that adequately justifies its cost: yet to be proven, doesn't look bright

I'd like affordable peripherals to allow me to buy enough equipment to entertain friends: clearly not happening

I'd like to see a strong lineup of games that interest me: also not happening when the system looks like more of a strong contender for 2018-19 than 2017

This shit isn't hard to figure out. Stop acting like people's desires are somehow cryptic.

EDIT: Oh and I'd like a little more included memory than 32GB. Don't think that was much to ask in the era of digital purchases and for a supposed portable console.

 

[Burny]

Everything to do with the pricing is absolute insanity. I don't even mind the price of the console itself, but the controllers, subscription, and some of the games are overpriced to the point of madness.

Let's see the positive side of things: If that's going ot be the general public perception, nobody will buy the system. What happens with systems that nobody buys?


The price plumets.

 

[Occam]

Nintendo has lost its mind.
Terrible prices for consoles, games, peripherals.
Paid online that gives you one NES game for one month each.

Good luck with Switch, you'll need it.

 

[Mendrox]

I don't understand though.

It's a hybrid device so specs are limited somewhat. If it was a PS4 Pro level device, it couldn't be portable and it'd be a fuckton more expensive.

What do you guys want? Seriously?

You want the highest of spec with the lowest of price. In an ideal world, yeah that'd be great, but get a grip on realism

Please Joe. Get a bit more real yourself. The Wii U had definitely a price problem. It was a problem for many people and is also currently the reason people try to buy refurbished Wii Us because they are cheaper and even though Wii U had many great games (I got 14 great games, more than for my PS4) it didn't take off.

Now we are getting a portable X360 with new shaders and all (Wow), Skyrim 360 Port, 3rd Parties? They were on stage and said "Yeah we will make games k bye". HD rumble is cool, but is nothing special. 3 hours battery life and 300 Euros + are just horrible.

Also Zelda...a Wii U game only runs at 900p with the dock.

I got to work this morning and the people I talked to yesterday that wanted to preorder this immediately are just disappointed like me now. Where are our games on launch and this year in general? Nintendo had more than enough time.

Selling so many different accessories for these horrible prices is just another hit to my face. They didn't even show the UI and all. It will be a trainwreck again.

 

[SporeCrawler]

If the big Japanese 3DS devs bring their heavy hitters over and the Switch effectively becomes the next Nintendo handheld, and the price and battery life suffice for it to maintain 3DS numbers - then no I don't think it will be the last Nintendo console. Even then, it would be a minor success "despite itself"; I think we can safely say that nobody is going to use any of the waggle etc. gimmicks, for the majority it will be a screen with buttons and everything else will be a waste of money and plastic.


But I think that's unlikely, the price isn't right, the market for handhelds is smaller every year, the hardware is weak and the lineup is anaemic.

So yeah I think all signs point to this being another failure, doing more of what has failed for Nintendo in the past.

And if it does fail, yeah I think this is the last Nintendo console.

so what will these japanese 3ds and vita devs make then? its not like sony is going to make a new handheld. PS4 is not doing much better than WiiU in Japan. they are stuck with nintendo. so yeah.

 

[EDarkness]

No, I don't. I think it's ridiculous



We don't have the subscription price...

I hope they cut down on the price of that stuff. It's really pretty high. I'll need to get at least a second set of joycons so my wife and I can play DQ Heroes.

 

[gdt]

Quick question, can you charge the Switch when your are out and about? The info sheet says you need to dock it to charge....

 

[Broken Hope]

Nice to see Joe defending anything Nintendo do no matter how obsurd.

Do you honestly think Nintendo have made the right choice and aren't going to need to fix things like they did with the 3DS?

 

[JoeM86]

Quick question, can you charge the Switch when your are out and about? The info sheet says you need to dock it to charge....

It's USB C so a Power Bank should suffice

Nice to see Joe defending anything Nintendo do no matter how obsurd.

Do you honestly think Nintendo have made the right choice and aren't going to need to fix things like they did with the 3DS?

I'm not saying this is perfect. It's not. I'm saying that many people on GAF are being ridiculous

 

[hughesta]

We don't have the subscription price...

Paid online on a Nintendo console in general is a horrible idea.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Pre-Ordered the Switch and Zelda, but I am already talking myself out of it since I was burned with Wii-U early adoption.

The sheer lack of games in the presentation has me taken aback a bit. I just don't see a "Wii Sports" here to drive sales.


Online is a non issue for me since I virtually never play Nintendo games online. This may change if the next main line Pokemon title is on the switch.

 

[gofreak]

Let's see the positive side of things: If that's going ot be the general public perception, nobody will buy the system. What happens with systems that nobody buys?


The price plumets.

Didn't really happen with the Wii U, sadly. It's still 300 euros plus here. Nintendo showed they're willing to tolerate low volumes to keep prices static.

 

[EDarkness]

Please Joe. Get a bit more real yourself. The Wii U had definitely a price problem. It was a problem for many people and is also currently the reason people try to buy refurbished Wii Us because they are cheaper and even though Wii U had many great games (I got 14 great games, more than for my PS4) it didn't take off.

Now we are getting a portable X360 with new shaders and all (Wow), Skyrim 360 Port, 3rd Parties? They were on stage and said "Yeah we will make games k bye". HD rumble is cool, but is nothing special. 3 hours battery life and 300 Euros + are just horrible.

I got to work this morning and the people I talked to yesterday that wanted to preorder this immediately are just disappointed like me now. Where are our games on launch and this year in general? Nintendo had more than enough time.

Selling so many different accessories for these horrible prices is just another hit to my face. They didn't even show the UI and all. It will be a trainwreck again.

I think the Wii U's problem was value not price. People just didn't see the value in that price. The Xbox One was more expensive and sold more. Same with the PS4. If the value is there, people will buy. I don't think it gets any simpler than that.

That said, I do agree that the price of the extra stuff is high. I think they need to drop the price $10 across the board, because they're really too expensive. Luckily, it hasn't released yet so they still have time to do something about it. I don't think there's any problem with the cost of the system, though. $299 for the power and what it can do sounds about right.

 

[KtSlime]

Coloring books are dirt-cheap and hangman and RPS are free. 1-2 Switch is 50 fucking dollars, not to mention the price for the system itself.

You see the problem with your comparison?

You asked what kid would be entertained by it, not what kid's parent would find it a cost-effective way to entertain their kid.

 

[Scofield94941]

cant believe Nintendo couldnt get Overwatch for the Switch. Woulda loved to play it all over the house lul. I'd imagine the online population would be small but still

 

[Inviusx]

$470 AUD and no pack in game. Why couldn't 1,2 Switch be their version of Wii Sports?

 

[BossDarkseid]

Paid online on a Nintendo console in general is a horrible idea.

Considering the only MP title I can think of (that I would by at the moment) I easily agree. I'd argue if they had a relatively mature network infrastructure/technologies etc then a small price wouldn't be the worst, but online MP doesn't feel like a Nintendo thing, and bar a miracle their network won't be THAT good...paid online feels like a big mistake.

 

[UberTag]

so what will these japanese 3ds and vita devs make then? its not like sony is going to make a new handheld. PS4 is not doing much better than WiiU in Japan. they are stuck with nintendo. so yeah.

They'll make mobile games, of course. Nintendo may very well join them in a few years if the Switch fails.

 

[Miracle]

I'm not saying this is perfect. It's not. I'm saying that many people on GAF are being ridiculous

If you think GAF is being ridiculous, good luck trying to convince to the average gamer/consumer to buy this thing.