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CNN: Senate to investigate possible Trump-Russia ties

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Kasumin

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Isn't this the time to call out representatives and demand that they at least pay attention to these allegations?

Because holy crap. I knew it was bad. I've been keeping up on news. But not even I thought it was this bad.

It's insane to me that there are red flags and warning bells BLARING and many in the government are choosing to ignore them because party first. Fuck me, this is driving me crazy.
 
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BoboBrazil

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Kasumin said:
Isn't this the time to call out representatives and demand that they at least pay attention to these allegations?

Because holy crap. I knew it was bad. I've been keeping up on news. But not even I thought it was this bad.

It's insane to me that there are red flags and warning bells BLARING and many in the government are choosing to ignore them because party first. Fuck me, this is driving me crazy.
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You should. Due to partisan Comey bullshit we are deprived as a nation of positive change for potentially decades due to the decisions Trump will make if they let him take office.
 
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Dalek

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Zereta said:
Twist: Anthony Weiner's fault. All of it.
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thepotatoman

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op_ivy said:
People keep saying this but the gop will turn on trump the second its in their benefit to do so. If the writing is on the wall, the gop will do whatever it takes to come out as the heroes of this.
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Problem is, Watergate proved this strategy doesn't work. If Trump goes down they're going down too, no matter what they do. So it's in their best interest to protect trump to the end.
 
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A Serious Man

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Kasumin said:
Isn't this the time to call out representatives and demand that they at least pay attention to these allegations?

Because holy crap. I knew it was bad. I've been keeping up on news. But not even I thought it was this bad.

It's insane to me that there are red flags and warning bells BLARING and many in the government are choosing to ignore them because party first. Fuck me, this is driving me crazy.
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It's the ultimate destination of "party first" politics. I saw it coming when Republicans tried to stonewall any and all forms of progress, no matter how badly it hurt American citizens, once Obama took office for the sake of maybe one day gaining more power. I just didn't think we'd arrive here so quickly.
 
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Skyball Paint

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thepotatoman said:
Problem is, Watergate proved this strategy doesn't work. If Trump goes down they're going down too, no matter what they do. So it's in their best interest to protect trump to the end.
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If the hill the GOP wants to die on is a Russian puppet and walking security risk disliked by most of the populace, they are welcome to do so.
 
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JKRMA

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Maybe it was said already but...


Could this be a plan to get Trump out of office and get Pence into the office as POTUS by the GOP?
 
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Tahnit

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JKRMA said:
Maybe it was said already but...


Could this be a plan to get Trump out of office and get Pence into the office as POTUS by the GOP?
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if trump is impeached everything he has done and everyone he has assigned to anything is going to be highly questionable. Pence would most likely go as well.
 
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Aaronology

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Tahnit said:
if trump is impeached everything he has done and everyone he has assigned to anything is going to be highly questionable. Pence would most likely go as well.
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I'd settle for President Ryan easily at this point. Easily, and without hestitation.

How far we've fallen.
 
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Dimefan3

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Can someone explain this to someone who isn't american?

Does this mean Trump is in big trouble? Or is this just clutching at straws?

Could it also be possible that Trumps inauguration is put on hold until the investigation is sorted?
 
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Staccat0

Fail out bailed
Tahnit said:
if trump is impeached everything he has done and everyone he has assigned to anything is going to be highly questionable. Pence would most likely go as well.
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I kinda think they could get away with gutting all of his appointees but keeping Pence.

You'd get to keep a minority of the Trumpsters' supporters (a small minority) and save a little face. I honestly don't think anyone ANYONE thinks Pence is in Trump's inner circle.

I would LOVE to be wrong of course. I despise everything Pence stands for.
 
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Dalek

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Thank God Buzzfeed blew the lid off thing thing by dumping it all on the internet-and fuck any reporter who thinks it was wrong. This was being kept a secret from the public and now that it's out there shit is happening.
 
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Hugstable

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DavidDesu said:
18 months feels like an overestimate if I'm honest. Seems like he will be doing impeachable things day one, especially around his personal business and the dodgy plan they have around that...
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The speed things are moving, I wouldn't be surprised if it's within the first 6 months. I really hope to hell that the Republican senate does not back off this.
 
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Usobuko

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Why does this feel like they are just doing it for the sake of placating to the public?

Trump will be fine in the end and he could even use this investigation as an ammo to prove his innocence.

That's how little faith I have with the current Senate.
 
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Syncytia

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Staccat0 said:
I kinda think they could get away with gutting all of his appointmentees but keeping Pence.

You'd get to keep a minority of the Trumpsters' supporters (a small minority) and save a little face. I honestly don't think anyone ANYONE thinks Pence is in Trump's inner circle.

I would LOVE to be wrong of course. I despise everything Pence stands for.
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As much as I would hate President Pence I think he will stay if Trump goes out.

The primary Russia connections are Trump himself, Giuliani, Flynn, and Tillerson. If Tillerson doesn't get confirmed as Sec. of State which is now looking more likely, I would not be at all surprised for him to become an "unofficial advisor."

With those four out I think most concerns regarding Russia will go away (unless I'm missing someone else). With all of this coming up now, everything and anything to do with Russia will be scrutinized under a microscope for the foreseeable future.
 
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preta

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Dimefan3 said:
Can someone explain this to someone who isn't american?

Does this mean Trump is in big trouble? Or is this just clutching at straws?

Could it also be possible that Trumps inauguration is put on hold until the investigation is sorted?
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It's very possible that he could be in big trouble, but a smoking gun would be needed to take any action.

It's highly unlikely that anything will happen before the inauguration, though.
 
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Kasumin

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Staccat0 said:
They'd probably be glad to be rid of Bannon too.
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Honestly? He's the one on Trump's transition team that scares me the most. He would likely be Breitbart's ear in the White House. The amount of information he'd get access to is frightening to think about. Let's not forget that he's reached out to right wingers in the UK and parts of Europe. And Breitbart being caught posting a blatantly false story in Germany.

Even if the press freezes out Trump's army of liars, Breitbart could easily expand out (TV?) and become its own news outlet that only serves Trump. Enough people read sites like Breitbart that such an outlet would probably do pretty well. I doubt Bannon is lacking in funding on this front, either.

Sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist. It's just that the information wars, gaslightning, and fake news accusations of legitimate news outlets are what scares me the most about our situation. We need the free press, as... flaky as they can be. We need to know who we can trust. With Trump gaslighiting the entire country, that situation would only worsen. And if Breitbart gets more viewers and the White House freezes out all other news outlets? That would be very, very bad.

Worst case scenario situation, of course. My job requires that I'm at least somewhat familiar with how media in the US works. Thus why I've been paying a lot of attention to Bannon.

Fake news is an information war. Yet another outcome of the Internet and free access to information.
 
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Syncytia

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Im embarrassed to admit I haven't even thought about Bannon in a few days now. I'm not sure he's someone who can be tied into this Russia stuff though. He would presumably be gone if Trump goes though, I doubt Pence would keep him around.
 
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Skyball Paint

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Usobuko said:
Why does this feel like they are just doing it for the sake of placating to the public?

Trump will be fine in the end and he could even use this investigation as an ammo to prove his innocence.

That's how little faith I have with the current Senate.
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It doesn't matter if the Republicans bury it, A US President owned by Putin is too big a threat for the world to ignore it. The Democrats are going to keep digging, the US intelligence community is going to keep digging, and intelligence agencies from nations abroad are going to keep digging. Once the smoking gun is found, any member of congress that worked to cover his ass is gonna have hell to pay.

And why would they want to cover his ass? He lost the popular vote, he is going into office with a 44% approval rating, (George W Bush with into office with 65%) and already his loose cannon personality is causing conflict. The man is toxic and I think the GOP will be happy to be rid of him.
 
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hydragonwarrior

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BoboBrazil said:
You should. Due to partisan Comey bullshit we are deprived as a nation of positive change for potentially decades due to the decisions Trump will make if they let him take office.
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Lol you'll be getting a Scalia 2.0 into the Supreme Court no matter what happens though, but true you're only less fucked vs more fucked.
 
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PantherLotus

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Dimefan3 said:
Can someone explain this to someone who isn't american?

Does this mean Trump is in big trouble? Or is this just clutching at straws?

Could it also be possible that Trumps inauguration is put on hold until the investigation is sorted?
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He's going to wish he never ran.
 
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We very likely could see Trump in cuffs on TV at some point.

People should go outside and shout LOCK HIM UP when this happens.

The pure glee. There will genuinely be celebration parties across the world.
 
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Taramoor

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Aaronology said:
I'd settle for President Ryan easily at this point. Easily, and without hestitation.

How far we've fallen.
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I will say a sentence now that I thought insane a few months ago.

I wish Romney had won.

Trump misses his window. Yes, the ACA gets repealed with less of a fight, but we would never have had Trump to deal with. Hillary against an incumbent Romney would be a hell of a thing, but nobody would be seriously fearing the notion of a nuclear war or a President who may literally be on Putin's payroll. A man who still probably doesn't know what the President actually does.

Of course I wish Hillary had won, but Trump's very existence has forever destroyed the reputation of the United States. So to prevent it we would need to go back even farther.

I wish Romney had won.
 
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PantherLotus

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listen, there are no good alternatives to Trump. Ryan just wants to give tax cuts to rich people so he can hurt poor children. Maybe I have that backwards. Pence just wants people to think he's religious so they don't see through him. They're all bad and likely evil. They're all better than Trump.

Getting way ahead of ourselves anyway, but Republicans (McConnell) don't let this go forward without a promise they get what they want (their own replacement).

Only way that changes is if McConnell is involved. And I'm not convinced he wasn't, considering he had his chance to do the right thing.
 
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140.85

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I wouldn't get too excited about this. Given the Republican control of the house, Senate and the Intel committee, this more than likely was given the ok by the trump team. I'm guessing they're salivating at the possibility of using this As a means to find out who's been doing all the leaking.
 
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Ghostshark

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Trump is in no way invincible. The longer his festering existence is a part of the US government, the more fury is going to build in the populous. He lost the popular vote. 70,000 votes were the difference in the electoral college. If we flat out pretend that non voters don't exist, he has no mandate regardless of how much people are jumping up and down lying about it.

The vast majority of the Republicans in office are absolute scum and always act in their best interests. As these allegations pile on more and more, they'll realize that their careers will be on the line. There will be protests, and if that leads to nothing, riots, and possible civil war. If that doesn't happen, he'll eventually destabilize the planet enough to cause other countries to intervene. At some point, their human survival instinct will kick in, and they'll abandon the Trump ship.
 
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Joni

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Sounds like a good impeachment evidence gathering session.

Taramoor said:
I will say a sentence now that I thought insane a few months ago.

I wish Romney had won.

Trump misses his window. Yes, the ACA gets repealed with less of a fight, but we would never have had Trump to deal with. Hillary against an incumbent Romney would be a hell of a thing, but nobody would be seriously fearing the notion of a nuclear war or a President who may literally be on Putin's payroll. A man who still probably doesn't know what the President actually does.

Of course I wish Hillary had won, but Trump's very existence has forever destroyed the reputation of the United States. So to prevent it we would need to go back even farther.

I wish Romney had won.
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The alternative is that Clinton should have been the 2008 candidate against a more normal opponent allowing Obama to take on a 2016 anti establishment Trump while having limited establishment ties himself.
 
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140.85 said:
I wouldn't get too excited about this. Given the Republican control of the house, Senate and the Intel committee, this more than likely was given the ok by the trump team. I'm guessing they're salivating at the possibility of using this As a means to find out who's been doing all the leaking.
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That's fine and all, but allies hold importance.
If Trump's team stays, say goodbye to trust between US - EU.
None of these allies will deem the US reliable enough any more.
 
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SuperBowser

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The damage is irreparable if Trump takes presidency. He would be known as a Russian puppet with only Russian officials around him till he dies.
 
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Fantastapotamus

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StarVigil said:
Btw. Is Russia the only entity in the world Trump never trash talked? Like, he even made jokes about his wife.
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It's so damn sad how he's all like "What's wrong about peace with Russia?" while needlessly provoking China at the same time and nobody sees it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should all cuddle up to friendly, democratic ol' China but this hypocrisy is just insane to me.
 
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Diprosalic

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At this point i don't even believe that a video surfacing with him having his tiny hands in the cookie jar would achieve something.

I just hope all this will make reelection a bit harder, that's all i can hope for.
 
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Morrigan Stark

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Unless it's a fully bipartisan measure, I don't put much stock in this. He's been getting away with fucking everything at this point. :/ I hope I'm wrong though.
 
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Zereta

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Taramoor said:
I will say a sentence now that I thought insane a few months ago.

I wish Romney had won.

Trump misses his window. Yes, the ACA gets repealed with less of a fight, but we would never have had Trump to deal with. Hillary against an incumbent Romney would be a hell of a thing, but nobody would be seriously fearing the notion of a nuclear war or a President who may literally be on Putin's payroll. A man who still probably doesn't know what the President actually does.

Of course I wish Hillary had won, but Trump's very existence has forever destroyed the reputation of the United States. So to prevent it we would need to go back even farther.

I wish Romney had won.
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I hate Romney, I think he's scum. But then again, I'm a flaming left guy who particularly values social issues, so I'll never want a conservative party to win.

That being said, he was right where Obama was wrong. He would have known.
 
The Chosen One

The Chosen One

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Aaronology said:
I'd settle for President Ryan easily at this point. Easily, and without hestitation.

How far we've fallen.
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I for one would welcome our new overlord, President Ryan.

The only way Pence survives is if he completely disavows Trump and all related activities. The problem for Pence is that there's tons of TV footage of him carrying water for Trump, defending Russia among other things. If Trump does get impeached, whoever is the replacement will HAVE to be very hardlined against Russia. Pence simply won't have enough credibility because of his prior Russian apologist statements. Pence talking tough on Russia will sound fake.

What's ironic when the Trump team was doing the original VP pick, they advertised it to potential candidates as being the most powerful VP ever. But it turns out Pence might be a part of the most maligned WH administration ever pretty much destroying his political career.
 
Meus Renaissance

Meus Renaissance

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A lot of the headlines shared here e.g. impeachment likely, and responses to it, remind me of comments from the Right following Obama's election.
 
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ErasureAcer

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Zereta said:
I hate Romney, I think he's scum. But then again, I'm a flaming left guy who particularly values social issues, so I'll never want a conservative party to win.

That being said, he was right where Obama was wrong. He would have known.
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Romney hates RomneyCare. He was an idiot and should have lost and did.
 
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